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DaveP043 last won the day on October 10

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  1. It is for the benefit of you, and of other golfers who are at a similar stage in their development as golfers, that you see so much criticism of some of the excessively conservative strategies some folks suggest. If someone suggests that its a good idea to give up distance potential for no specific reason, he's wrong. Now if a fairway pinches in, or hazards start out there at a specific distance, of course it can make sense to play short of the problem areas, but don't lay up without a specific reason. Similarly, the guy who suggested playing a par-5 with four 150-yard shots is guiding you down the wrong path. At your level, you're almost certain to mess up one of those shots, that's what 20 handicappers do. So we're just trying to debunk some of the bad advice that comes around sometimes. Sometimes we come across as shills for this site and its owner, but I honestly recommend that you buy his book, Lowest Score Wins. He presents a very clear and well-though-out method for on-course management, among a bunch of other good information.
  2. Actually, the "wisdom" that most of us will suggest is to hit it as far as you can while avoiding most of the trouble. That's the best way to score as low as possible with your current set of skill. If you choose to sacrifice distance for no particular reason, you choose to sacrifice some of your scoring potential. And if you really want to improve, most people will get the greatest scoring improvement by improving their full swing game.
  3. I did get it wrong, even though I was looking at the correct information as I was typing my response. The point remains, a DQ penalty cannot be rescinded based on lack of awareness.
  4. I'm not sure what your point is here. The young lady a week or so back was DQ for turning in 5 on a hole where she actually made a 4. There wasn't a rules infraction that she was unaware of, she just made a specific mistake that requires a DQ. The Exception is pretty clear, the DQ doesn't apply if the hole score is wrong because the player was unaware that penalty stroke(s) should have been added to her score on the hole. If she just screws up the hole score, the Exception doesn't apply. Similarly, if the penalty for the "unknown infraction" is DQ, the exception doesn't apply. I suppose in a sense you're right, "technically" she didn't know she had committed an infraction. But the penalty for that infraction is DQ, so if we follow the Exception's logic, we would add that penalty back into her score, and she would be DQ.
  5. I guess I can understand that a player might not keep up with the rules changes if she's not competing regularly, although it seems unlikely. Its even harder to believe that neither of her playing partners nor their caddies said anything until the middle of day 2.
  6. Like I said, its an adjustment, but not a complicated one. People all over the world have been making exactly that evaluation when playing Stableford competitions for decades, I'm sure we americans are smart enough to learn to do it right.
  7. I believe this is the biggest impact the WHS will have on day-to-day posting in the US, but it brings us in line with the way much of the rest of the world does things. Its also consistent with the Stableford scoring system, which again is common through much of the world. It certainly will be an adjustment, but its not all that complicated. I'm hoping that the online calculation services (like Ghin and others) will enable hole by hole posting. If so, you'll just type in your raw scores, and the computers will correct for the maximum hole score.
  8. You're correct, and the rules are very specific. Handicap Index is truncated after the tenths digit, specifically NOT rounded. Course handicaps are rounded, with 0.5 being rounded upward.
  9. If it is a USGA index it will update on the 1st and 15th. Not every USGA state or regional association has chosen to use GHIN as its calculation service, but every one DOES follow the USGA requirements.
  10. DaveP043

    Pace Problem

    I've seen the GPS units used exactly this way, and I like it. The one thing I'd suggest for all courses is that the expectation be set aggressively. When I was at Talamore (where a few of us have played) over Labor Day weekend, their new GPS units were set to "time par" of about 4:10, which is fairly quick for a resort setting. In talking to the head pro, he said that the addition of the GPS units has sped up play by 15 to 20 minutes, and the time par notifications was a big part of that improvement.
  11. As @iacas says, the local rule must be in effect for this to be an acceptable option. The way you worded this makes me wonder a bit whether you were "no closer to the hole" than the point where the ball crossed the OB line, that's a part of the local rule requirements. Similarly, you cannot go more than 2 clublengths from the edge of the fairway.
  12. You can always research handicap-related questions at the USGA's Handicap Manual online, at https://www.usga.org/handicapping/handicap-manual.html#!rule-14367 As others have said, your Course Handicap is calculated as:
  13. You certainly may be an anomaly, the world is full of them, so general rules may not apply to you. After all, we're all individuals, we each need to evaluate our own game and work on the weakest points. But one general rule does apply, if you improve your swing as a whole, you'll almost certainly decrease the number of wayward drives. I should mention a note of geometry here. If your drive at 230 is on the edge of the fairway, say 20 yards offline from the fairway center, at 270 yards it should only be 10 feet or so into the rough. That's usually not a huge problem, its the ones that are in the trees or hazards or OB that are the big problems. I may also not quite fit the generalizations. At my age, 63, and playing at a reasonably decent level for a good while, I'm unlikely to gain a whole lot of distance with an improved swing. My primary goal is to be more consistent, more solid strikes, less lateral dispersion. That may result in some small increases in distance, and I'll be happy if it does. Still, my route to lower scores is primarily through improving my full swing.
  14. I very seldom try to speak for others, but I don't think you'll find many (any?) people on this forum who would ever recommend an approach like the bold one. A 14-handicapper should generally be doing the same thing I'm trying to do, and that's to improve his golf swing. If he only cares about distance with the driver, he probably will limit himself. If he only cares about accuracy with his irons, he'll also limit himself. But improving the golf swing SHOULD improve both distance and accuracy. It shouldn't have to be an either/or proposition. Part of that 14-handicapper achieving the goal you suggest, getting on the green, is to hit the tee shot long and in play, making the second shot easier to get on the green, easier to get close to the hole. So its not what the thread title suggests, distance as opposed to accuracy, its a combination, distance with accuracy.
  15. I don't know about your students, but when I hit my tee shots longer, I also hit more greens, and hit it closer. That's a function of having shorter shots to the greens. So improving driving is a significant tool in shooting lower scores. I've also found that improving my full swing helps my driver distance, and helps my distance and direction accuracy with every club in the bag. I don't think of it as focusing on irons vs. focusing on driving it long, I think of it as improving my swing. Now if you're suggesting that too many players focus only on increasing their driver distance, when they're better off working on the swing in general, you could be right.
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