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  1. Another potential for the skins, use 50% of handicaps. That tends to make things approximately fair to all levels. Closest to the pin always favors better players, so if they have a little disadvantage in the skins, that offsets the advantage they have in proxies. I don't know the guys in your league, but I've found that some (not all) better players EXPECT to come out ahead every week, especially when competing against players of lesser ability. If you find a solution that evens things up, you could lose the lowest handicap players if they have that kind of attitude. If that's the way it works out, please remember that its THEIR fault, their entitled attitude. I hope they can accept "breaking even" as fair, and choose to help work out a fair system.
  2. Six rounds into the year, and I've birdied 8 of the holes. Yesterday I got one on our 13th, 167 yard par 3. The interesting part, this is at the highest point of the back 9. The day had been foggy from the start, but starting up the 12th hole it closed in. By the time we got to the 13th tee, we could only see about half-way to the green. No flag, not even "darker fog" to indicate the tree line to either side of it, just white. So we picked lines based on where we could see the forward tees, I hit a decent shot, about where I aimed it, and found myself with a 25-foot putt that I managed to roll in.
  3. I quoted the text directly from the Golfweek article, he specifically says: To me, that doesn't read as an example, it reads as a generalization of all teaching, since he says "all of teaching" or "all teachers" repeatedly. I understand your interpretation, that he's really talking about some of the instructors who haven't continued to revise and improve their instruction as more data becomes available. Maybe that's what he meant, but its not the way it comes across to me. Again, my issue is that much of this comes across as overly generalized criticism of "all teachers" A lot of the problem is that in a short interview, its hard to completely cover many issues. There wasn't a lot of back and forth, with the interviewer looking to clarify certain points, at least as far as the written article goes. The thing about the best-50 list, the words say that the list has 50 people that BC "know(s) for sure are not the top 50 in the world". Does me mean that none of them are in the top 50, or that the list includes a few that don't belong there? A follow-up might have clarified that, but now its left to us to interpret. "Brandel, of the 50 on the list, how many do you think deserve to be there?" On the plus side, Chamblee is paid to draw readers and listeners, to get attention, and sell advertising for his platforms. In that he has once again succeeded brilliantly. Edit. Mary Anne just walked past me, asked me what I'm doing. I responded "Arguing with Erik" and she walked quickly away. Smart woman I married.
  4. Charleston is a brilliant city, and there's good golf in all directions. The one thing that worries me about Myrtle Beach and Charleston and other coastal areas is the potential for hurricanes. I might be overestimating those dangers, but I think I'll feel better if I'm inland a little ways.
  5. I've read the first two installments of the interview. I think what Chamblee did poorly was to lump "instructors" into one big incompetent basket, and to suggest that Youtube and social media are an appropriate proving ground for "good" teaching. When talking about Victor Hovland he says Is he saying that the teaching available on Youtube is now the right way to learn golf? If so, he's ignoring a TON of very poor instruction that's available right next to some good stuff. This sounds as if he's claiming that one instructor has provided the (incorrect) basis for "all teachers" and that Youtube somehow exposed the flaws in what "all teachers" were saying. I don't have any doubt that there are a number of instructors who have had followers, schools of thought, and that some of those schools of thought were based on principles that have been proven wrong by real data. But to suggest that "all teachers" have been exposed by social media is silly. In my mind, Chamblee deserves significant criticism for overgeneralizing in all these comments, and for holding up the fractured world of Youtube and social media as a positive authority on golf instruction. And about the rankings: None of the teachers listed are among the top 50 in the world? I do agree that those lists are based to a significant degree on exposure, on having your teaching available and promoted and noticed. I don't know enough about the folks on the list to say that someone does or does not deserve to be considered "top 50", but its inconceivable to me that not a single one deserves to be on the list. Perhaps there is a better way to determine who deserves to be on the list, some type of metrics to be considered, but in the end its going to be a matter of opinion. In the second part of the interview, where he talks more of individual players and individual teachers, I don't have big issues. Spieth hasn't improved, and its fair to consider whether that's his fault, or his teacher's fault, or some kind of combination. It was interesting to me that BC chose to talk about Spieth as part of his response to a question about Rickie Fowler.
  6. I think there's a range of "beliefs". There are those who simply "don't believe" in the existence of deities, and others who absolutely deny the possibility of deities. To me, the term "agnostic" applies more to the first group, while "athiest" applies to the second group. The second group is based just as strongly on unsubstantiated belief as those who DO believe in deities. There is simply no way to prove that there are no deities, just as there is no way to absolutely prove their existence.
  7. I know a few people who have retired to the Myrtle Beach area, and they like it there. My (tentative) plan is for the Pinehurst area. A few weeks of pretty cold weather, but snow is rare. It does get hot and humid in the summer, but not like Florida. Its only an hour drive to Raleigh/Durham, and a couple of hours to Charlotte. Compared to the metro DC area, housing costs are reasonably cheap. Its pretty welcoming, since most people have come from somewhere else. The one thing on the list it doesn't satisfy is diversity. I've never noticed anything I see as racism, but I don't see a really wide variety of ancestry or origin in the people I've met in the area. I've been a regular visitor for the last 12 or 13 years, but only for a week at a time, so I could be wrong on that matter.
  8. We're open, but no guests are allowed at the moment. I think some of the public courses are open, like Raspberry Falls, and a few other privately owned places. We do seem to be seeing the kind of classic acceleration of cases around here, although the total numbers aren't really crazy yet. But now is the time frame where the effects of the restrictions should start to be seen, the next couple of weeks may be telling. Fingers crossed our health care doesn't get overwhelmed.
  9. Our club is still open for golf, with precautions. I got to play yesterday, walking with my QOD. There appeared to be a moderate level of play, but not completely full.
  10. My interpretation of atheism is slightly different, in that I understand it to be a specific belief that god(s) do not exist. Its an active belief, not an absence of belief.
  11. I know I've posted here before, a video or two from Nick Lowe, and I've always liked Dave Edmunds. I'd known about this video documentary about Rockpile, but finally took the time to watch all the way through. Fascinating to me to see how even simple-sounding rock music comes together.
  12. If you're competing with someone else, you're free to decide how to score these. As for this being a "real score", the USGA has specifically extended the use of "most likely score" for handicap posting while these measures are in effect. See the last bits here: https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules-hub/rulesarticles/covid-19-rules-and-handicapping-faqs.html
  13. Always look at definitions first. The definition of "nearest point of complete relief" says that this is the nearest point for the shot the player would have played from the original location if the cart path wasn't present. In your hypothetical, that means the 3-wood to the green. And that means that his reference point is in that deep rough. His options, once he takes relief in the appropriate relief area, include playing any kind of shot he'd like to play. If the lie precludes him from attempting the 3-wood towards the green, he can evaluate playing in a different direction, using a different club. Its possible that a logical choice (say a sideways wedge) might require a stance on the cart path, in which case he might be allowed to take relief once again.
  14. I haven't seen the magazine, but I already have more than enough hats.
  15. I think you're probably right, the risk of passing the virus along by touching the flagstick is pretty small. Same with passing it along by removing the ball from the hole. But its a risk, and one that's fairly easy to eliminate, so why not go ahead and eliminate it. Every time we leave our little safe cocoon we're taking a little risk, its smart to eliminate as many of those risks as we can. And again, the risk we take isn't just to our own health, bu to the people "downstream" who might become infected because we passed the virus along to them. I hope I can continue to play golf, but I have no issues with any of the measures the club has taken to minimize my risks.
  16. I'm getting regular updates from talamore and midsouth, I'll be sure to post here as well as letting you know directly if anything changes. So far, they're open for golf.
  17. That rings a bell, but I'm not really sure. I looked up the 2016 rules at www.ruleshistory.com Their section on Equipment rules didn't discuss a ball becoming unfit for play, and I was too lazy to look back any further for older rules on the subject.
  18. Thanks for the reminder, I see that I initially answered that one the opposite from how I answered here. In my defense, this initial question includes specific information that wasn't clear in that previous thread.
  19. Under the current Rules, 4.2b says if a ball breaks into pieces, the stroke doesn't count, and there's no penalty. If a ball becomes cracked, however, the stroke isn't cancelled, but you can substitute another ball. So your shot that put the ball into the hazard counts, the relief from the hazard is a stroke penalty, you made 5. That same basic rule is presented in 5-3 in the 2016 version of the Rules.
  20. David, I don't care what you do at your club. I am assuming that you have played in accordance with the rules of golf up to your (almost) final putt. MLS applies for a hole not completed. If the ball isn't holed, the hole has not been completed, so its completely legitimate to record Most Likely Score. That is the ONLY possible way to record these scores for handicap purposes. I wouldn't argue if a Committee or Association directs players not to post these scores, but it shouldn't be left to individual players to decide. The USGA in general has shown that they would prefer to have as many scores as reasonably possible included in Handicap evaluation. I am merely looking for a method that is generally consistent with the Handicap Rules to allow these scores to be posted, while allowing courses to decrease the risk of surface contamination to the players.
  21. This is why I suggested using some judgement and Most Likely Score (for posting purposes only). A putt that just barely grazes the cup liner would almost certainly not have been holed. The Handicap Rules allow the use of Most Likely Score for an unlimited number of holes in each round, so it's probably the only option if it is determined that scores made this way must be posted. I've seen a couple of other ways to minimize contact with the cup when removing balls. A short piece of pool noodle (say 3 inches or so) can be threaded on the flagstick, allowing the ball to settle into the hole, but only a bit below the surface. Alternatively, the cup liner can be installed upside down. Either way, a "holed" ball can be removed without contacting either the flagstick or the cup liner.
  22. Many times I don't need to look these up, but I always try to reference a specific rule (or definition). I've had lots of people tell me the wrong thing about rules, so I don't often take other people's answers at face value, and nobody should take MY answers at face value. Trust but verify. Read the rules for yourself if you really want to learn about the rules, and learn about using the rulebook.
  23. That's correct, per the definition of Hole. However, if you look back to post 285, you'll find that we started discussing the procedure of leaving the cup itself an inch high to stop balls from going into the hole, as a precaution against COVID transmission when a holed ball is removed from the hole. The conversation kind of meandered from there.
  24. It wouldn't be a whole lot different from this one:
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