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zeg last won the day on August 3 2012

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  1. Bah, they're better than the Mac snobs....
  2. Maybe I misunderstand, but I thought that the video was enough that they *should* have been able to make the right decision (or, at the least, inquire further). As I understand the ruling, that's why they made an error. I hate to introduce another hypothetical, but I think it might help with a subtle point. Had the video not been as clear as it was (at least when given full attention), would the ruling have been different? I think yes, because then the committee would not have erred. The error was missing evidence that they did have. At least that's my read, but if I'm incorrect,
  3. The video itself was actually, well, not irrefutable, but sufficient evidence to draw the correct conclusion. That's at the heart of why the DQ was waived! (Had the video been inconclusive, then the committee would not have erred in their ruling, and the post-round interview would probably have been enough to lead to a DQ.) I'm in favor of the discussion, but I do think we're running out of things to argue constructively about. A lot of the leads are falling to personal opinions about how things should be. I'd think those would be long in a separate thread.
  4. Interesting info re: DQ for an illegal drop, Fourputt. I don't think I agree with that policy, though: I think any sort of willful attempt to abuse the rules should be dealt with harshly. But I don't get to make the rules. Sacm3bill, I understand where you're coming from, and went through a period where I agreed with what you're saying. I changed my mind, though. The reason is that I don't think the equitability of the DQ waiver needs to be considered in any context except in the specific competition in question. In that context, all I think they're saying is that their ordinary prac
  5. There's no reason to bring these hypotheticals into play here, because that doesn't describe what happened. Tiger did not gain a major advantage by dropping in the wrong place, so it doesn't matter what would have happened if he had. Mordan is probably right that you'd be better off with the bunt, but I think a committee would still be justified in finding that dropping in the wrong place conferred a DQ-able advantage. The rule doesn't specify that it has to have been a greater than 2-stroke advantage, just that it has to be a serious breach. Intentionally dropping in a wrong place to o
  6. They may not, but they frequently do. I've played a few courses in the LA area that have grossly non-compliant rules for dealing with desert scrub and environmentally sensitive areas. Like the case here, they are reasonably logical solutions, except that they violate the rules of golf. It's frustrating, but if they are enforcing those rules, probably your best bet is not to worry about the proper rule: as has been said, there wasn't one. If you keep a handicap, follow the rules for reporting a score with a hole not completed under the rules of golf (i.e., estimate your most likely
  7. Ok, but we haven't addressed a few things. In what coordinates is the point specified? Is it in latitude/longitude, so if the earth crust moves, the position changes relative to the course, or does it move with the course? And, for that matter, what if, as you drop it, there's a massive earthquake and the point where you were supposed to drop it is now a chasm? There may no longer even be a point for the drop. WHAT THEN?
  8. Us guys aren't making that claim. The Masters committee did so, and the rules very clearly give them rather broad authority to waive DQ in the interest of equity, fair play, etc. While I am no fan of the powers-that-be behind the Masters, when it comes to rules enforcement, I think it's unwise to be as disrespectful as you're being in your post. It doesn't make your arguments any more convincing. They do not, in fact, say this. The Decisions do not constitute an exhaustive list of the conceivable situations that may arise. Circumstances not considered in existing Decisions
  9. Of course I've lost you, because I'm not making any sense. I misread the rule when checking it, overlooking the "before it is lifted under a Rule that requires it to be replaced." Since I know you're not required to mark for dropping, in my private little fantasy world, that means that picking it up for a drop must not be "lifting" since you don't have to mark it. So just ignore all that stuff. At least I got the penalty bit right.
  10. That's why we hang out here. They ought to clarify rule 20-1 IMO, since "lifted" is a technical term in that case but is easily mistaken for picking up your ball in general. In any case, it certainly is advised, so in any case your error probably taught him a useful lesson.
  11. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you cost him an unwarranted penalty stroke. There is no requirement to mark your ball for a drop---unless he actually dropped further than two strokes from the spot where his ball lay, there was no penalty. Picking up your ball for a drop is not "lifting" as described by 20-1.
  12. And, importantly the Janzen incident over a decade ago demonstrates that this isn't a unique ruling designed to protect Woods. (and I'm not sure why anyone would care what a jackass with a grudge thinks about the rules)
  13. If you believe they have identified the wrong location, you can challenge them about it or bring it up with the committee. They have to be making a bona fide effort to identify the location and drop on it. If you have information that can help them identify the location correctly, you should assist them by providing that information. But they have the right to make their own reasonable determination, even if they make an error. There's no other practical way to solve the problem---at some point you have to rely on the integrity of the players. This was already covered, at least in one c
  14. I think I may have been unclear. My assumption prior to knowing when the call was received had been that the committee had independently reviewed the drop and reached its conclusion, and that the call was related to revisiting their decision. That's why the impact is minor---in either my (incorrect) scenario or the apparently real course of events, the committee had made an initial ruling. The only real difference I see is that in my mistaken scenario, the confusion with 33-7/4.5 is more likely since it involves a call coming in after the scorecard is signed. It's still not applicable,
  15. Quote: Originally Posted by David in FL They conducted the review on the basis of a call they received alerting them to the improper drop. It turns out that the drop was clearly improper, yet their review missed it. I had thought the call came after the round, I wasn't aware that there was a call during the round. It changes things at most slightly, though. Without the statement from Woods, it's harder to conclude that he violated the rule. He was near to the original spot and there's not a requirement that you know the actual exact spot of your prev
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