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  1. To the original poster, here is a thought. Most "good" lag swingers I've watched actually start moving the lower body before the backswing reaches maximum angle -- whether they are long or short backswingers. Watching your swing, the cast idea comes to mind because you club starts moving early, before you have made much headway in shifting left. Even the slow, set at the top guys have a little increase in angle (not decrease) at the start of the downswing. You have a nice swing overall, but if you got this last thing down, it would be even better. Find some slo-mo Hogan videos and watch h
  2. The reason I think under and inside leads to OTT is I see a lot of guys start off this way, then raise up their arms in the transition, and having no place to go, they come over the top. A one plane or a two plane that stays on or above the plane provides the room to slot the turn back into the ball from the inside. I would not say that the under and inside is the only reason of OTT, but I see a lot of "under, up, and over" swings. I also see a few outside and up then drop and under swings... both of these are inconsistent for most people, but there are always exceptions.
  3. Most golfers do this as well as letting the club head get inside. Should be an easy thing to fix, but if you have ingrained the move over time, then it is a tough thing to change. However, it is a highly recommended change for any swing. I think of it as the number one reason for OTT swings.
  4. I love the idea of shot cones, and while the pictures are two dimensional, on the course I have a three dimensional mental image of a "shot cone" and it includes the flight path, so it is a curved cone in the vertical dimension. I use a mental picture up in the air as the starting center of the cone, because a shot that might be OK in left and right relationship might be wrong in trajectory (think wind, or landing area, etc.) I may hit a drive that is above the cone and directionally it is fine, but I don't like that kind of shot any more than a scoring iron to a short pin that is too low (m
  5. And I should add, if he had elected a straighter shot, the club face angle would have been slightly different as well -- vectors all aligned to create a straighter path. Please don't think I meant "with the same club face angle." However, the club face would still have been upward and would not have flipped at all. I am talking about very, very small differences.
  6. Speechless... there is nothing to say, except my eyes hurt. No, wait... it is the basis of a new book: "The Hack and Flip" -- a new way to swing.
  7. Going back to Hoffman's swing on that particular shot... In my little world of the golf swing, here is what I think was going on with that shot. The situation: He is going to hit a ball that draws right to left, but there is trouble left. He is in the process of making a good swing and makes one, but feels the inside out path is a little more than expected, so he executes a great swing but releases (meaning firing his extension) so the club comes out a little more right. To have hit a straighter shot with less draw, he would have released the club pretty much the same way but the shaft wou
  8. This particular swing is simply beautiful. I love his arms past impact. He did a lot of things right to get into that position in the early post impact position. The is the form of release that I refer to as the Nicklaus release because it was Jack that talked about release being evident past impact with the extended arms, and he said nothing at all about rolling over being part of release. You don't see any hint of the right hand trying to flip over the left and the right elbow folding early, which does happen in the "roll-over" misnomer of release (and what I think is the incorrect versi
  9. As a lifelong natural draw swinger, let me share something that helped me (and I still use to straighten out shots when they draw too much.) I'll have to talk as a right hander (you lefty guys seeem to know how to translate better than I could say it the opposite way.) A pretty famous teacher told me to straighten out the ball flight, rotate more through impact and let the club go left until you can do that and hit it straight but a little right of what you think it should be. In this game of opposites, this works for me. I'm coming from the inside, so by rotating and feeling like I take
  10. RC

    An unappreciated swing

    It's just I have not seen it analyzed or dissected before (or don't remember seeing it.) And watching him on TV in a Champion's Tour event it suddenly dawned on me that he has a swing that is pretty solid by any standard. So I checked out youtube and watched him swing (including in slo-mo) and thought it was a very simple and classically strong swing. So, "unnoticed" is not the right word... maybe not as exposed as many others. I've never been a particular fan other than to applauding his ability and taking notice of how fit he seems to be, which I admire in any older golfer. Langer just
  11. For a more putt-like shot that may need to run through the fringe, I use a 6 iron, but the post above about the 9 iron is spot on for me if I need a little carry to be sure to land on the green first, then a long run out. I still use a putting stroke for these, toe down, shaft more vertical, etc. Very reliable little shot.
  12. Did not know quite how to title this post, but I wonder if anyone else has noticed that the swing of Bernhard Langer has been relatively unnoticed or commented upon over the years -- at least as far as I know. It has served him well for a long time. No matter what swing type you like, I think that Langer has a very reliable swing. It has not been his putting that has kept him competitive for so many years -- his ball striking has withstood the test of time.
  13. Hit them off the ground, just fine a nice lie.
  14. I am right handed, but started out golf playing left handed. Played a few years and got into the seventies pretty quickly. My problem was the short game. A golf pro suggested I give right handed a try, thinking those pesky 30-70 yard shots might be easier. I have no idea if that is correct but I did gain more variety of pitch trajectories when at about 15 years old I switched to right handed. It is easier to get clubs, etc., and I now use a right sided natural extension or release and was already pretty developed on the left side from batting left handed in baseball. The good thing about
  15. Flyers are (as has been noted) not typical from deep grass. If the grass is mid ball high, a flyer might happen. When the rough is such that the only way to see the ball is looking straight down at it and you can only see a diameter smaller than the ball, then you get a knuckle ball effect from all that grass. It is like hitting a ball with a sponge between the ball and the club head. Really powerful swings may or may not go the right distance, but both will roll a lot further due to lack of backspin. This is the worst year I have ever seen for knuckle balls. We had extrordinary rainfal
  16. What a grand idea and wonderful challenge. Our forward tees are 6009 yards, par 71, and playing them would be fun -- I've never done it. I have a prearranged match Saturday and will have to play our normal game but sometime I would like to try this. And I can tell some of the younger guys, look out... If your driver is your best shot, it might be harder than you think. I know a couple years ago, I played with a group that wanted to play from the regular men's 6516 yard tees and after nine holes of spotty golf I apologized for the inconvience and moved back to the tips and shot a much bett
  17. I'm from the Jammo school of thought... the swing is the problem. I don't care if you only hit a ball 100 yards, you need to know enough about the mechanics of how to achieve solid contact. A teaching pro is the place to start, but pounding 1,000 balls with a poor swing that is not already making solid contact will only ingrain bad form. Suggest you try another approach.
  18. I would disagree with the idea that the modern Tiger (at least up until now) is more controlled. He pushes and flips more shots than previously. I see more spinning now than when he was more linear.
  19. Don't forget... he had been working with Harmon for 3 years and this is a very refined swing -- one I like a lot better than his Haney era swing. It was a swing where he could unload and not worry about where the ball was going because all the movement people are talking about was movement that followed naturally from his core body power. Forget the wrists, forget the backswing, forget timing... when Tiger would unwind, all those things had to go the way they went as a natural response to the motion of his core. He did not have to think about a thing. This is the swing he believed he could
  20. Some move the ball back for punches, but I use pretty much the same ball position but swing a stronger lofted club using something like a pitch/chip shot motion with lots of rotation through the shot and a low finish. I visualize the shot as one where the hands stay left of the club all the way through the finish, like a low, hold off. It is also a good way to take spin off the ball so you don't get the big pull backs spinning back to the front of the green. The shot might normally be a wedge, and I will hit a nine iron or even an eight as if I were hitting a pitch shot, just firmer. If I
  21. In a prior generation of metal woods, there was one that made sparks almost everytime you hit it unless the ball was perfectly clean or new. I don't remember the brand, but I sure remember seeing a lot of guys who used it and the sparks were easy to see. I don't think there was ever a fire because of it but the thought was discussed a lot at the time.
  22. Very good video and information... spot on in my view. I hesitate to say it but to the question of "how far" I can answer I have hit a lot of shots with mid-irons from 140-150 yards (with fairway lies) doing just this. Short pitches and chips are just smaller versions of the same motion. The control is great and conditions may well dictate this is the best choice for a shot. You guys look like right-handed Phil Michelsons with the smooth hinge and turn through the shot. And I love your use of the word gravity. Yeah, gravity keeps our shots from going as far as we might want, but it also
  23. Yeah, more hinging would help. When you straight arm it, you can get a pretty wicked chicken wing finish and it is tougher to release down the line. Your arms need to go forward and left through the post impact area, and your left arm folds so quickly it sort of shuts off your extension. I have no problem with short backswings, but a bigger shoulder turn would allow you to get more power. A good drill is to lay on your side, back straight, knees folded 90 degees and both arms laying on top of each other (palm to palm) perpendicular to your torso. Then leaving the lower arm in place, swin
  24. There seems to be a missing ingredient in this discussion, the opinion of the players themselves. Peer recognition of a tournament is hugely important and a part of that recognition is tradition. As far as hardness of courses, how do you measure that? You can trick a course up so that luck plays a larger role than it likely should -- does that make the course great? I don't think so. You can design a course that is 9,000 yards long and has virtually no rough, does that make it a great course? No. You can let the rough grow to 10 inches and narrow the fairways to 10 yards, is that the way
  25. I would put the Masters ahead of the PGA for my 2 cents.
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