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  1. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    I completely agree with this. DQ would have been the appropriate penalty if this was obvious. Here, I cannot agree. It is the player's responsibility to replace correctly, something that Lexi clearly did not do in this case.
  2. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    So, you think she cheated but you don't think that she deserved the additional two strokes for cheating? Wow! Where is the logic in that? *Edit: I am not proposing that Lexi cheated. You did in your post, however. Responding to some of these posts in support of the new ruling, I'm feeling sort of like a billy goat.
  3. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    To be blunt, this is all in response to events on the professional tours over the past several years. The ruling bodies have seen fit to change the rules for everyone in response to public outcry over the perceived injustices done to Lexi, DJ, and others. The scorecard penalty change was brought about, in my view, based almost solely on the Lexi Thompson situation. They have done this under the auspice of fairness. What they have done, however, it to pollute the system in favor of players who do not deserve to be protected - players who knew, or should have known, that their actions were violations. They have chosen to protect players who are either dishonest, ignorant, or both. Even worse, in my opinion, some of the rule changes affect not only those "poor, innocent" professionals but all golfers who compete in tournaments from the local level all the way to the international level. I can live with the call-in ruling as it really only affects the professional tours, except for a very few rare cases such as the US Amateur. So that I'm not misunderstood, I don't agree with ever ignoring a known violation - regardless of how it is discovered - but it will not affect 99% of the other competitions in golf around the world. If the PGA or other professional tours wish to play under rules such as these, I say more power to them. It is their product and they have the right to use any rule set that they see fit. They could very well afford to write their own rules. There is no need for the USGA and R&A to change rules which were not broken in order to accommodate the desires of these professional entertainment corporations, because that is indeed what they really are. I see this as a major mistake by the ruling bodies.
  4. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    This is it. This is my biggest problem with this new rule. It actually rewards players who are dishonest or lack the knowledge necessary to correctly penalize themselves or their playing partners. It doesn't get any simpler than this. Thanks, Phil.
  5. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    First of all, I have never accused Lexi of cheating. Nobody but Lexi knows what her thought process was at the time of this incident. Without obvious proof of willful cheating, I would never accuse any player of it. I must assume that Lexi was just very careless in marking her golf ball. That said, let's assume hypothetically that Lexi knew exactly what she was doing. Let's assume that there was a spike mark or other imperfection in her line of putt. Let's assume, again hypothetically, that she marked the ball incorrectly so as to avoid having to putt over the imperfection. Do you think that in this hypothetical situation that the 4 strokes be an appropriate penalty? You see, that is the problem that I have with reducing the scorecard penalty. We cannot know what Lexi knew. We can only know that she replaced her ball incorrectly (a 2 stroke penalty) and that she then signed for a score which wasn't correct because she didn't apply the correct penalty (another 2 strokes). That penalty will seem harsh to some if her actions were simply carelessness. I would submit that the penalty is very lenient, however, if her actions were more devious than careless. By abolishing the extra penalty for scorecard signing, the ruling bodies will eliminate any additional incentive for players to get it right the first time, to be accountable for their actions - whether intentional or not. The rules, I think, should attempt to adequately balance the good and the bad while protecting all of the players who are abiding by the rules. I feel that the new scorecard rule only attempts to protect those that accidentally break rules. It promotes ignorance of the rules and carelessness. I see it as a step backward. Absent the ability to know peoples' thoughts, there must be penalties for any action that seeks to circumvent the rules, even if careless players are sometimes penalized in what might seem to some to be a harsh manner. It would all be so much easier if we could simply read other peoples' minds.
  6. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    Thanks. I wasn't aware of that. That makes it even more troubling. In 2019, it becomes standard operating procedure. The rule does nothing but lessen the degree of accountability that is required of a player.
  7. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    Yeah, to me that's the most troubling rule of the new proposals. I would expect that rules officials watching video should be able to detect violations that viewers would have called in about. As evidenced by the incorrect ruling in the Tiger Masters violation, rules officials do not always make the correct calls even when video is available - but I'm ok with the rule so long as no known infraction is excused simply because it was on video. The scorecard penalty, however, is more problematic to me. We all were once all responsible for attesting to the validity of our scores. That will not always be the case any more. This ruling affects more than just the professional golf - it affects all local, regional, and national competitions that adopt this local rule.
  8. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    I personally don't see anything wrong with the way the rule was written before this local rule. I think your proposal brings in a judgment call requirement, and I think that promotes vagueness. For that reason, I don't think I would be in favor.
  9. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    Honestly, or dishonestly. This new local rule abolishing the extra scorecard penalty will be available to all tournaments, not just televised professional events. We all most likely know golfers who will likely use this as a way of trying to avoid penalizing themselves, especially if the action only results in the initial penalty being exacted and no other additional penalty being attached.
  10. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    Phil basically said as much. I think that there are no doubt tour players who take liberties. Are there many? I would certainly hope not. I witnessed an infraction during this year's Masters tournament (the week after the Lexi incident, if I remember correctly about the date). While watching, I saw a pro mark his golf ball on the 15th green (during the first round, I think). When he replaced his ball, it was clear to me that he moved his ball at least half a ball width to the side. I asked my wife, who is not a golfer but was in the room reading at the time, to watch the video on DVR, without my making any comment on what she was going to watch. She too saw the movement immediately. She asked me if that was acceptable. I personally have very little pity for Lexi. Whether because of lack of concentration or for other reasons, she clearly moved her ball on the replacement. She should have known that her action was incorrect and that she deserved the penalty. Signing the scorecard without the penalty was another error over which she had complete control. She was due the extra scorecard penalty. I'm of the opinion that rules are there to protect the Jimmy's and Jane's who are out there doing their best to play within the rules. Players who are too nonchalant, too aggressive in their play, or too dishonest to bother doing the same should not expect the rules to protect them from their actions, or lack thereof (as @DaveP043 so eloquently posted earlier in this thread.) That's my opinion, and its not likely to change regardless of what the ruling bodies decide. I will, of course, abide by the rules. Doesn't mean that I have to agree with them or with their reasoning.
  11. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    Sadly, I think this is a reflection of society in general. We see it in things like "road rage", where there is an attempt to find reasoning to excuse actions rather than to hold individuals accountable. I think that these two proposed rule changes by the governing bodies is another step in that direction.
  12. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    This! You have captured my viewpoint exactly. I wish that I could have stated it as well as you have done. BTW, I hope that you don't mind that I took the liberty of posting this to another forum that I frequent (giving you full credit, of course).
  13. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    Jack Watson, would you consider a player moving their ball half an inch one way or another, in order to be able to avoid putting over a spike mark or other imperfection on the green, to be a minor or a major infraction? My point, of course, is that something that might appear to be a 'minor infraction' could very well be something else altogether. Judging the degree of the breach is something that I think is virtually impossible, at least in almost all instances. Let me finish by saying that although this question is based on the Lexi situation, I'm not accusing her of doing what I described above. I don't know what led to her mistake and have never accused her of cheating - only of breaking a rule.
  14. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    If someone is playing to kicks and giggles, I don't care how they score their round. So long as it isn't in a competition or for handicap purposes, it makes no difference to me. If it is a competition or you are using the round for handicap purposes, however, follow the rules. The beauty of the rules (at least as they were written) is that 'not being aware' was not an acceptable excuse. Every golfer's responsibility is to (1) know the rules and (2) to abide by them. If everyone did that, there would be no need ever for a 2-stroke scorecard penalty or a DQ. We all know that isn't realistic, though. Under the previous rules "I didn't know", "I thought that I did it correctly", "I didn't understand", etc were not acceptable excuses for a rule to be violated - and thus an additional scorecard penalty was warranted. Not any more, if this local rule is instituted.
  15. "Intent" in the 2019 Proposed Rules

    Because intent is impossible to determine with complete certainty, the fewer uses of it in the rules the better as far as I'm concerned.

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