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  1. It is obvious that you don't believe me. I'm OK with that. I've never proposed that Jack was the GOAT, and I would challenge you to prove differently but it would be futile and a waste your time (which I don't really wish to do) because no such view exists. As for being annoyed, again you propose to know my thoughts. I'm not annoyed. This is an internet message board - I would be silly to be annoyed by anyone's response to my opinion on this forum. I'm simply offering another opinion. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here. I'm not proposing that my opinion is right and that your opinion is wrong. I'm simply expressing another option. You would have that opinion excluded simply because it doesn't support that either Jack or Tiger as the GOAT - I've got no real problem with that other than it limits the discussion to only two points of view. As I've said before, I think that "neither" is a valid answer to the original question. I've enjoyed reading this thread. I've learned quite a bit from some of the posts here. It has been very informative in many regards. To make you happy, however, I will cease to post any more on this topic. It was never my intention to be derisive. I make every attempt to always post with an attitude of respect. I apologize to anyone who has found my views and thoughts to otherwise. I hope you have a great evening.
  2. I'm also a Sam Snead fan, an Arnold Palmer fan, and even a fan of Tiger Woods (in addition to many others). That doesn't mean that I espouse any of them to the the GOAT.
  3. I stated "used by folks trying to find the proverbial GOAT". I'm not trying to find the GOAT but if someone was I would think that majors won would be only one of the criteria that person should use. Maybe that wasn't plain in my statement. You must indeed be one really special person. You are able to read other people's minds. I am a Jack Nicklaus fan. I don't deny that. I have never believed that Jack was the GOAT, any more than I think that Michael Jordan is the GOAT in basketball or that Tom Brady is the GOAT in football. Is that really so difficult to believe? Have a great day.
  4. The number of majors won should be an important part of the equation used by folks trying to find the proverbial GOAT but I personally do not think that it can be (or should be) the sole determining factor.
  5. There are, in my opinion, innumerable variables that would prevent anyone from ever identifying the greatest golfer of all time. You claim that equipment is not important - I disagree. Nobody knows how good, or bad, Old Tom Morris would have been with a Pro V1 instead of his feathery golf balls. How much better might Hogan have been had he had metal woods? Course maintenance and conditions also factor into the discussion. These are but two of the myriad of differences that I could list. While none of these factors are important when discussing golfers of the same era, they definitely become important variables when trying to compare players from different time frames. We can say, with a great deal of certainty, that Tiger and Jack were the best of their time. They played the same courses, with the same equipment, and in mostly the same conditions as all of their contemporaries. Crossing generations causes additional variables to come into play, whether you agree or not.
  6. You have made an assumption for which you have no facts. I have never said that Jack was the GOAT. I don't believe in the entire premise of GOAT (in any sport) and I never have. I do not think that Jack is the GOAT - I never have. Your idea that the only difference that matters is strength of field is purely your opinion. I can respect it while at the same time disagreeing with it. Debating which golfer is the GOAT can be entertaining (as evidenced by this extensive thread). It can also be very polarizing (also evidenced by this thread). I'm just one person with an opinion, but I simply don't think that because I didn't pick either of the two golfers that my views should be excluded from the discussion. Have a great day!
  7. Some people believe that you can't compare athletes across different generations due to the multitude of variables that are involved. I would suggest that it is also a valid response to "Jack vs. Tiger: Who's the Greatest Golfer?".
  8. There are people who simply believe this is true, whether you agree with it or not.
  9. Just wondered what your criteria was for that conclusion. 👍
  10. Just out of curiosity, what do you think makes the courses of today more difficult than the courses of previous generations?
  11. Tiger's career stats are more impressive than those Nicklaus, except for the obvious majors victories. Based on that, I would conclude that Tiger's career record was more impressive.
  12. Actually, you are calling me ignorant and stupid when you espouse my beliefs to be so. That's ok, though, because I'm used to it - I'm married. 😉 It's all good - I'm not offended. I'm a scientist. Scientists deal in facts that have or can be proven. If you cannot absolutely prove it, it is hypothetical, conjecture, opinion, or whatever you wish to call it. No amount of statistics and supposition can prove which golfer would have been more dominant had they both played in the same era. You have your beliefs, which I respect. I understand why you believe the way that you do. I do not share your views. That is OK. We don't need approval from one another.
  13. I agree with this, except that I'd even go so far as to even include other statistics. They are all subject to variables that cannot be quantified for the different generations imo. And what proof is there that Snead, or Hogan, or Jones would not have been better than both? There is none, other than speculation. My view is that the best we can do is to say that each was the best of their time. We can speculate as to who would have been the most dominant, but there is no proof.
  14. Just giving my opinion, like so many others. Maybe you are right..... maybe I should have just kept silent. I do enjoy the discussion, however, so long as it is kept civil. That's your opinion, and you are completely entitled to it. I'd respectfully disagree with you, however. I will give you this: If there was ever a sport where I believe that the greatest athlete could be identified, it would most likely be certain track and field events. There are far fewer variables in the competitions where many track and field events are concerned - thereby making it possible to potentially crown someone in those events.
  15. My response has nothing to do with the personality of the individual. As I read it, my response is on topic, you just misinterpreted. I never said anyone wasn't great, just that I don't believe in identifying athletes as the greatest ever. I have no dog in this hunt, other than an opinion I don't claim to support anyone for GOAT. Misinterpreted. I probably should have just said the greatest to ever play professional golf.
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