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  1. I'm a relatively short hitter. But, I can hit my wedges as long (almost as long?) as guys that I play with that are long hitters. Here's a common example that I have with many, many of my golfing buddies: My 56 goes up to 95 (on a typical pure hit). And that's not de-lofted, pretty damn high, with backspin if greens slope towards me and aren't running super fast. My driver goes 225 carry, 250 w/ roll. My friend's 56 goes 90, pretty much same trajectory and results. But his driver goes 270 carry, 290-300 w/ roll. The same for relative clubs (60-PW vs long irons - driver). Does this mean anything? Like my mechanics for my driver are too short? Or my friend's wedge play isn't that strong? Some ppl I know just swing harder with Driver and woods, so maybe that's the reason (personally, i don't swing any harder w/ my driver than I do w/ my wedge)? Is it stupid of me to extrapolate that if my wedge game has "X" yardage, then my driver/long clubs should have "Y" yardage? As with all my posts, i got questions, not answers...
  2. Anyone have this happen to them? Been about 5 months since I swung a club. Was about a 12-14 index before the break (lowest ever index was an 8 which I've hit twice in the last 10 years). Have played 3 times since the break, and can't hit a driver, wood, long or mid iron. But my wedges are ridiculous accurate, and I'm getting up and down like crazy from anywhere within 100 yards (short full wedges, pitches, chipping, putting and even flopping!). My short game was always a strength in my game, and I've never been a long hitter, but not too short either, driver is typically 225/250 (carry/roll). I know typically the short game goes away after a break, but for me this has happened a few times in my golf career (have taken 3-12 month breaks from golf fairly often). I don't think it's a gigantic mystery needing to be solved, but am curious if this happens to a lot of other people too. And if they have thoughts on what it means for the golfer, i'd be interested to hear it.
  3. Is it me or does the 2016 Golfnow rewards even worse than before? almost no reward at all? to get a $10 hotdeal reward, you have to book 10 regular rounds (10 points per round). So basically you spend ~$25 in booking fees for a $10 reward? At least previously the rewards made you come out ahead for your loyalty. 2015 golfnow rewards were: for 25 rounds booked @ $60 in booking fees = ~$110 worth of benefits = ~$4 of benefits per round booked. for 50 rounds booked @ $125 in booking fees = ~$395 worth of benefits = ~$8 of benefits per round booked. 2016 gofnow rewards: 10 rounds @ $25 in booking fees = $10 reward or $1 of benefits per rounds booked. To me, it's really an incentive to book directly with the course. You used to come out ahead after being a loyal GN customer, and in previous years, you would additionally get free booking fees. Now it seems the most benefit you can get is a 40% reduction in booking fees ($1 in benefits/round, $2.50 booking fees/round). maybe I'm reading this wrong? Or final terms/conditions aren't in yet? ... maybe I'm just greedy and spoiled, but it's like even w/ rewards, it's always cheaper to book directly at the course. (I know you earn points faster on hot deals, but for me personally, I can barely find convenient hot deals when cashing in rewards earned, much less golfing my regular rounds on a hot deal)
  4. I guess I'm biased about my own swing development and perhaps too harsh on my friend. I'm like some of you where if I swing hard the ball goes nowhere. The following statement is 100% true: On days where only swing thought is "dont' swing hard, just swing in form" I'm at my longest. I usually carry 220-230. But on a few days this year where I was just 100% focused on my form, I was carrying 240+, with a few crushings of the ball (for me) at 260 carry. Incidentally, I'm also straight as an arrow those days. So for me I always thought swing form yields distance. And my good friend loses all his form when he swings hard.
  5. Honestly, the intent of the poll was so i could scatter graph results. But I didn't realize I wouldn't get individual poll-taker data, I just get aggregate, so although it's interesting, it's not as deep as I'd hoped. Would love to have seen how handicap correlates to # of rounds you've played, and to have actual graphical data on how driving distance correlates to handicap. Thre have been numerous threads on TST on this stuff, but I've never seen actual data graphed (i.e. you have to look post by post). Mbe I can provide a link to a poll website. I'm a data cruncher by profession, so I dig this stuff. TST poll also limits to 3 questions, but originally i had more I wanted to ask (not just rounds played, but how many years, and how old are you now, etc..). Lemme know if you think we could get at least a few hundred ppl up to answering a 5-10 question poll and if anyone else is interested in seeing this and I'll poke around.
  6. ----------------------------- I don't know who to ask, or if it's possible based on the forum/poll software package TST is run on... but if I can get the individual results of each individual poll-taker there can be some interesting graphs: "Handicap to Driving distance correlation" or "handicap to # of rounds played" If anyone knows who i can even ask, msg me or post here.
  7. I'm relatively new to TST, and just found about the poll capabilities. If this has been done, let me know, but I've looked and couldn't find one. I'm curious about this stuff, hopefully i'm not the only one. If people fill this out I'll scatter graph results. I'm curious about this stuff, hopefully i'm not the only one. it's anonymous: only honest answers will make the results interesting for all. Poll only allows for 3 questions, but wish i could have added more. ----------------------------------- crap. I'm sorry for possibly wasting space. mod: pls remove if i've done so. I thought i would get detailed results. can't scatter graph this if it only shows aggregate answers.
  8. Yea, i get that. Just saying the counterpoint from the same data suggests that if there's marginal improvement of scoring (whether par>birdie or bogey>par for us amateurs) from a gain of X yards, that you shouldn't go for distance in that case. Pretty much repeating what's already been said 100x on this thread.. haha. Just funny I thought that the chart shown illustrates both points quite well.
  9. Haha, sorry man. That was rude of me. Just seems people are learning golf earlier and earlier. There was no golf team at my high school when i was there. But these days seems more kids are picking it up young.
  10. I actually think karma works a lot of the time. The first time in a round when i catch someone cheating, I make it known either by a 100% clear glare or scoff, but I intentionally don't call them out on it... i.e. I let them record their B.S. score that hole. From here, I find that they they know they've been caught and they tend to play worse. Now if they do keep doing it AND I'm losing ground in the match, I do start calling them out. But again, almost all the time I find them falling apart when they "know" they've been caught, even if I don't assess them the penalty the first time.
  11. This also suggests that if you're debating teeing off with the goals of a 135 yard approach or a 190 yard approach, you only gain a 6% increase in making a bird. While the risk of getting another 55 yards off the tee might very well be a >6% chance of making bogey. For many of us 55 yards is the difference between a long iron/short wood and a driver.
  12. Yea sooo.... I went off there and am a feeling red-faced for it. Wife and kids at my sisters, fresh bottle of McKellan 18 and late night makes me a little belligerent on the keyboard. That said, Caniac and Swede and the like: I'm really just talking about my friend, this wasn't supposed to be about me.. I DO want to golf with him and I DO care a lot. His wife and mine have become pretty close the last few years, so when they hang out we get to golf. And he's a good friend for 20 years and we were on the same x-country team in college and were competitive with each other. I really want him to improve (I've bough him lessons as bday/xmas gifts four times). And he really, really wants to improve. So I get annoyed with him. Looking back, perhaps my post belonged in the "why won't they take steps to improve.." thread. I'm tired of giving him 12+ strokes a side and tired of seeing him struggle and not improve. Some years he gets out 100 times!!!! 100% of us always try to be at least a little longer off the tee, but then there's those golfers that go way beyond this... he's just OBSESSED with distance. Even when people in our group are out-driving his "good" drives by like 60 yards. I just don't get it. And a caveat on the other Monkeys out there: I actually love playing against them (they're almost more dependable income for me then my job), but it does drive me crazy when they're on my side and $'s on the line. He keeps a handicap religiously, tracks all his stats... but there's only one he apparently cares about. Technically his average driving distance is like 150 yards, cuz although his decent drives go over 200, he dribbles so many of them off the tee...
  13. I have a friend who got into golf late in life (mid thirties). It's been 5 years now and he plays 50-100 rounds a year. Can count the number of times he's broken 100 on one hand. His form is good enough to be shooting regularly in the nineties, but dude just want's to friggin' massacre the ball every time he swings (driver to wedge). I tell him if he swings 75%, he won't be making quad+ bogeys 6+ times a round, but he's just drunk on distance (and he ain't even long!). Every time he hits a good shot, he breaks out his phone app to measure it. One time in the last five years, on a rock hard and dry fairway, downhill AND down wind... he hit one 260. So now he thinks he's "got 260 in his bag". Dude carries his driver less than 200 yards, but won't give up his stiff shaft... again, cuz "he's got 260 in his bag". We'll play in a group, and someone will beat him (literally) by 30 strokes on any given day, but on one hole he'll hit his 5 iron into a green (with 50 yards of roll) while that other person hit a 5-wood and came up short. His swing is totally out of control, but he walks off the tee thinking he's finally got it figured out. I don't mind him thinking he's got game, but I think he's a goddamn idiot and his attitude is killing his game. I usually just let him do his thing, but sometimes I just get frustrated when he gets all huffy on why he just shot a 112. And I'm not just talking about my friend. But Distance Monkeys (as i call them) drive me batty sometime. They'll need two mulligans off the tee cuz they're swinging so damned hard that they either whiff or go 75 yards OB, but then they'll hit an (admittedly) great shot and "par" out from there (i.e. a quad). And they think that's how they're supposed to play the hole. Basically they're turning every single shot into a low percentage shot. Like a boxer with nothing but haymakers in his arsenal. Distance Monkey's DO NOT APPLY TO: (i) good golfers and (ii) golfers who don't give a rat's ass about their score. If you can swing hard but you're in control and in play, you're not a distance monkey... and if you're on the course to just get your frustrations out about your wife by destroying balls, then you're not a distance monkey. Distance Monkey's DO APPLY TO: both "low scoring" and high scoring golfers. I use quotes for "low scoring" golfers to apply to you Monkeys who can carry the ball 260, but half of them are lost, OB, or are a 100 yard grounder. Do the math, Monkey... if you've got 6 stroke and distance penalties every round (whether you admit it or not), then you're not shooting low eighties. So basically if you're swinging as hard as you can every shot but are hitting them all over the map, and.. .... if you are really focused on improving your game, or .... if you play for money and want to win (even if it's just a friendly nassau with friends), or .... if you complain about your crappy ass scores cuz you "know" you're a way better golfer than your scorecard shows.. ... then chances are you're a Distance Monkey and you need to get your head checked if you really want to improve... and like my good friend, you may spend 5 years of swinging out of your boots just to break 100 once out of every 75 rounds. Hey, we all need better course management skills, and I'm not saying you can't get good form/game by swinging hard, but there's thousands (millions?) of you overly-grunting Monkeys out there that are just too, too much. Forgive the rant, but my friend just shot a 112 and is just puzzled.. and I'm here thinking that 13 of the penalty strokes I just saw him pick up were totally avoidable. I'm not saying I'm a good golfer either, but with my head and my friend's swing, I wouldn't be shooting over 100 very often imho.
  14. My lower back is by far the most sore part of body after I've shot a good round of golf. Not sure why though. I mean, I know what I use it for, but not sure why it's the most sore part of my body, vs other areas.
  15. Brilliant! At a quick glance, it proves everyone who has already responded to this thread as correct! Some ppl have large gains (greater than any slope / rating differentials bewteen tees) and some don't.
  16. All very helpful thoughts, but trying to bring this back to my original question. I'm a family man and don't have that much time to exercise (outside of playing w/ kids), so w. the time my wife gives me I golf once a week and do 6-9 holes or hit the range on another day. I feel like I'm plateauing as a golfer and think distance may be my next big thing to work on. If my sole focus is be a better golfer, should I continue this (with lessons here and there, taking tips from TST etc..) or should i spend less time on the course/range and more time working out/fitness etc.. I know no one can truly answer this but me, just looking for guidance based on what i've told about myself so far...
  17. Such interesting responses. Everyone sounds right in certain aspects. Depends on course, depends on player. I'm usually between a 8-12 index, and although it sounds ridiculous, it's true: I've actually broken 70 twice from the whites on my home course, and carded a 72 once (6,000 yards), but have never broken 80 from the tips (7,000 yards). My strengths are my consistency, wedges and short game, and weaknesses in general are length. I'm not super short, but am by no means long. The reason I thought there is such a huge differential between white and blues for me is that from the whites i can have a PW or less into >50% of the holes (which I'm super confident w/), can shortcut 6-7 doglegs on par 4's and 5's, and can consistently reach one of the par 5's in two From the tips none of this is true, a few of the par-4's are effectively out of reach for me, and all four par 3's are 50+ yds longer between the whites and the tips (mid irons not wedges, and woods not mid-irons). I'm probably just swinging a lot easier and confidently on days i play from the whites as well. Home course (alas, just moved away): Shoreline Golf Links, Mountain View, CA.
  18. @saevel25 What you says makes perfect sense. But can't we agree that "in general" a golfer (in particular better golfers) will score better on the same course if playing from tees 1,000 yards shorter than another set of tees (assuming here not gigantic differences in slope)? If so, then doesn't that allow for the "manipulation" of an index as I described?
  19. I've wondered this. I play from whites to the tips depending on who I'm playing with, and maybe I shouldn't. My handicap drops if I've played from shorter tees recently (e.g. whites & blues) vs longer tees (blues & blacks). This is in part due to me not being a long hitter, but I'm thinking that the same applies to most golfers. I.e. the decrease in slope/rating does not compensate enough for the scoring differences from tee box changes. Do other people think this is also true? If Im doing my calculations correctly, for my home course where the slopes are blue=129 and whites=121. A 1 handicapper's gross and net scores don't really change between blues and whites. (needs to shoot a 73 for a NET 72 from either tees). But the whites are over a 1,000 yards shorter than the blues, so I'm confident that same 1 handicapper could shoot much lower on average from the white's. Likewise can you tank your handicap by always playing from shorter tees, and sandbag by always playing from longer tees? This whole question is kinda a "duh" question, but still... are you "supposed" to only use your rounds for your handicap when playing off of the recommended tees from the scorecard? Do all scorecards have this info? Have looked for a similar thread here at TST but couldn't find one.
  20. There's haha embarrassing and then there's ashamed embarrassing... Early in my career, i used to get pretty salty and vocal about my bad shots (and they were all bad), thinking I was a much better player than what I was currently doing. We all know the drill. Had a particularly whiny day as a single playing with two guys that were friends. They were good, and pleasant and smiling to me all day. Didn't think anything special of the round. Next morning same course, I'm in the pro shop and see one of them again, turns out we got paired up again. He was all nice and looked glad to see me. Outside the pro shop was walking to get my clubs when i could make them out on the other side of a line of hedges, but they didn't see me. Evidently, the guy i met in the pro shop was just telling his friend who they just go paired up with.. his response? ... "Awwww man.. we gotta play with THAT guy again?". Like to think i have kept quiet on the course ever since then.
  21. @Lihu: watching your video makes me think that more lessons may be the key to more distance. Like you said timing. My coach suggested I do a K-vest (sp?) and trackman session, but I kinda felt he was just trying to upsell me (more expensive lessons) and up until recently felt other larger fundamentals needed more work before any finer tuning w/ deeper data analysis. Do you think this is something worthwhile for my game? Again when playing tips, i'm hitting 3 and 5 woods approaches into many par-4's, and my partners are hitting 5-7 irons. Same on some par 3's. (granted i'm more accurate w/ my 3-wood than many of them are w/ their 5 irons).
  22. @Lihu: Thanks for the video! Somehow it's inspiring, but maybe cuz it feels personalized to me based on a response to my post! I will say this, i am definitely skinnier than that guy, but maybe not by a ton (believe it or not!). I don't know what to tell you regarding my HC. I don't get accused of sandbagging more than anyone else, but i do tend to win more $, but that's just cuz I think a lot of my friends are actually reverse-sandbaggers (if that's a term). I play by the rules, and am dutiful in entering my scores, looking at my spreadsheet: w/ 14 of my last 20 rounds from the tips (74.2/129), my avg score from the tips is 86.6 and from the blues (72.3/126) is 84.3. Doesn't that support a 9.2 index? The whiles incidentally are 69.9/121. Shoreline Golf Club, Mountain View (I just moved to Carlsbad two weeks ago, havne't played yet, but will play Aviara on Saturday. let's see how my home-course-grown index stands up then :)
  23. You guys are awesome. Yeah, I played with this guy that was a red-shirt at a D1 school who was built just like me, but was smoking his drives 50-60 yards past me. But he was also 20 years younger than me, and I have always just chalked it up to youth when I see guys like that. I figure I'm at the age where I should start considering keeping the flexibility I have vs getting more flexible (although I'm probably being too paranoid about getting older.. turning 40 has it's mental barriers granted). @Patch: I also basically only use my mid & lower body in my swing (this change took me from a 25 index three years ago to ~10 today). Will check out the fitness section, but it sounds like fitness (not necessarily just bulking up) and speeding (while maintaining) my tempo may be what i should focus on for awhile. (I also get a ton of compliments on my "tempo", it's just a slowwwwww tempo). @Lihu: How am I a 10 index if i've shot in the 60's? Two reasons, and I'm wondering if anyone else is like this: (1) To be clear, i did say I "have shot in the 60's from the whites".. i.e. I don't regularly score that well, but I've gone under par twice and shot 72 once from the whites, which i play ~6 times a year when my dad visits from LA. My low round from blues is 77, avg 83 (blues are 600 yards > than the whites on my home course) and my low from the tips is 80, avg 86. These are also all on my home course (100+ rounds), which if you give me a wedge on approach, I'll very rarely go over par. (2) my index does directly correlate to the tees I've played. Despite index's factoring in ratings & slope, when I spend a few months playing from the blues (and sometimes the whites), my index drops by like 4. Then i switch playing groups and play primarily from the tips and my index goes back up ~4 strokes. I actually question the index system based on this, cuz I think you can tank ur index by playing whites. My current index is actually a 9.2 but it has varied between 8-11 this year and I just put 10 as a representation when filling out my profile, as I'm also insecure representing a lower-than-it-should-be-index based on one primarily one course over and over again.
  24. Hi all. I'm a 40 year old golfer who's played for 10 years, but only been serious the last 3 where I've played or practiced at least twice a week. Basically my question is how important is fitness, more specifically, strength? Don't know how to say this without sounding (1) arrogant and (2) like a person who thinks he's something that he's totally not, but.. I've been told my swing form looks near perfect. I have a super slow looking swing, and have been complimented a million times about how my form looks like a pro. the problem is, I'm just not long. I'm 6'0" and skinny.. and when i say skinny, i mean SKINNY. (like you can see all my ribs through my chest) I'm not super short, I can still carry my drives like 220 (240-250 w/ roll), and bang some out further than that, and people are often amazed how long I drive based on how slow my swing looks. I also have decent control on fades/draws w/ all my clubs (roughly 50% success rate of doing what I intended), and spin the ball back on my wedges (though not excessively where's its a control problem), and have a pretty good short game. The problem is I can't really play the tips, cuz I just don't have the distance. I have shot in the 60's from the whites (~6,000 yards), where I'm hitting wedges into 60% of the greens and can reach the par 5's in two, typically shoot high 70's low 80's from the blues (~6,600 yards), but am consistently shooting high 80's from the tips (~7,100 yards) where all my friends play. So of course, my form needs improvement (as we all do), but maybe the next best way to improve my game from here is to work out? And I'm just not a work-out kinda guy. was a long distance runner when I was young, and never really lifted weights in my life. Am I fooling myself thinking my form doesn't still need improvement and take more lessons (I have taken 20 or so the last 3 years)? Or do I just need to eat a sandwich and hit the gym? My index is tied directly to what tee's I've been playing lately, so I don't really know what I truly am. I have never been a distance junkey, just want to be a better golfer and make more money in our nassau's, but at this stage, I'm wondering if gym time will yield better results than lessons and range time. Thanks, JB. and "yes". EVERYBODY says i have a grandpa game. Short, straight and consistent.
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