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  1. IMHO R&A did a great job in the course setup to keep some "honesty" in the layout. Sure, there were a number of tees where players had to march back some 50 yards from the regular tips but with tour pros these days hitting 300-yard 3-woods and 150-yard wedges you have to put some extra length in the course. Still, on a number of holes, we saw players hitting mid-irons to some of the greens and that hole number 11 was something else with the OB just a few feet from the green. Also fun watching the antics on the "Postage Stamp" hole where you don't need an island green to make a short par 3 interesting.
  2. Waste areas versus bunkers, Hi-Def cameras focusing in on grains of sand or blades of grass around a golf ball or free drops given from a large amount of temporary on-course obstructions - wonder how Bobby Jones or Old Tom Morris would feel about all of the scrutiny or controversy that players these days play under. At some point in time, something will happen that really goes south with all of this high-tech imagery or some of these local rules in a major and things will get very ugly.
  3. I like RTJ's 12th at Spyglass - spectacular setting with a pond rather than a bunker as the chief hazard - the farther back the flag is on the hole the more of the pond you have to carry and it doesn't help that the green slopes in the direction of the pond as well.
  4. So should it have been disqualification for signing an incorrect card if they did not warn him of the infraction in time to change his card before the last player finished?
  5. Just curious - what would those advocating that it was an incorrect drop say the consequences of the bad drop should be - disqualification? Is it not the case that the RO on the spot is allowed to make the determination of what the proper drop should be? As long as the drop was made no closer to the hole in the predetermined spot should that not be sufficient to protect the field?
  6. At bit surprising that the scores are so high at old Firestone - these guys are hitting 7, 8, 9 or PW irons to the greens and they still can't manage better then 5 or 6 under after 3 rounds? Some of the holes are a bit longer than the days of the "Big Three" but you would think the scores would be in the -12 to -16 range for this relatively straightforward course. Now, it is true that with a field of only some 60 players the tournament is missing some 80 more players of which some might have been able to get hot and shoot some good scores - but it still seems that in this age of live golf balls, sports training and technologically advanced drivers that these guys that routinely drive the ball 350 yards on a string should be able to tear up old Firestone.
  7. Everybody has their own sense of asthetics - some people feel that Augusta overdoes the "manicured" look compared to a course look Oakmont that has a hugh amount of gnarly rough, ditches and a freeway running through it. Perhaps the one thing that sets golf apart is the number of different venues on which it is played. The qualities IMHO that stuck out at Oakmont were the (a) difficult greens, (b) absolute premium on hitting fairways and greens and (c) mix between long and short holes. Given those factors, it seemed like a very good US Open venue to me. Oakmont membership apparently feels that the lack of trees is something they like - you get some tremendous vistas and from the standpoint of being able to view the tournament from a number of spots that offer views of a number of holes without moving, you would have to think that situation in some ways beats a heavily wooded course where only one hole at a time can be seen. And you can't really deny the fact that a number of great champions have been crowned in the Opens that have been played there.
  8. I remember going to Lanaii with some golf buddies just after the Manele Bay course opened in 1996 (the pro shop was a trailer). We stayed at the Hotel Lanaii for about $100 a night with each of us having our own room. Guests at Hotel Lanaii could use the pools and facilities at either Koele Lodge or Manele Bay Hotel, paid a one-time fee of $20 for use of the shuttle between all three hotels and we paid something like $75 for green fees at Koele and Manele courses. Now its a Four Seasons at the two big hotels with $700 a night rooms, $200 green fees for Manele Bay golf and not even sure what arrangement (if any) Hotel Lanaii has with the other hotels. Will say this - no other island (except maybe Molokai) offers the opportunity to really get away from civilization like Lanaii does with their jeep treks on dirt roads over a good part of what is a very interesting island.
  9. Equity would be better upheld if everyone in the tournament was told that there was a local rule saying that "Tower A" would be part of the course and played as such rather than as a TMO - give those guys making up the local rules adjustments some credit for knowing if and when such a problem might come up and retain the right to penalize the player for what would be a bad shot.
  10. If one of the 200-some Course Superintendents flown in by the USGA to ensure pristine conditions could have provided measurements and data indicating that due to photosynthesis one of the blades of grass on the green grew enough so that at just the point in time that Dustin was attempting to address his ball that blade grew enough to cause the ball to move then perhaps DJ might have avoided the penalty. But in the eyes and thinking of the USGA, since Dustin was the last one seen just outside of the bank prior to the holdup and there was no video taken inside, then it must be inferred he was guilty due to his location compared to the location of the crime.
  11. Simple way to solve the problem would be to use a local rule stating that TV towers or other particular "temporary immovable obstructions" be considered part of the course. The rule is there to avoid situation where somebody hits one behind or into a grandstand or hot dog stand. Pros know the rules - how many times do they aim for a grandstand or TMI knowing they will get a drop? On PGA tour, with those grandstand and hospitality tents just a few yards off of a number of greens, sometimes playing it into the stands is better than flirting with a hazard on the other side. But in some cases, if a tower is being erected well outside of the boundaries of the fairway and would only be a problem if somebody hit one way offline, shouldn't there be a local rule saying "sorry - you hit a bad shot and this tower is something you will simply have to deal with". No worse a situation than the one that ocurred one year at the PGA where they overnight planted a tree to block off players wanting to play down a parallel fairway to get a better angle to a green. Miss the fairway, get penalized ........... makes common sense. Oh, sorry - this is the USGA so maybe the "common sense" factor is one that may not count.
  12. A few other comments on Fox: 1. Scott McCarron and Juli Inkster were terrific - gave us accurate reporting of what was going on with each group they were with in a very professional manner 2. Liked Zinger and Fax - good insider information regarding the course and the players 3. Joe Buck - send him back to baseball and football - no shame in that as even Vin Scully couldn't hack it doing golf commentary 4. Holly Sonders - will they ever find anything meaningful for her to contribute to the telecasts other than to show how much off-season training she has been doing in search of the "Kim Kardashian Look"?
  13. Fox did their due diligence in having the USGA Rules Guys on after the tournament was over to explain themselves - and from my point of view the USGA guys did nothing to clarify things other than to pretty much say they didn't believe DJ and were unwilling to go along with the ruling made by the USGA rules guy following the group. The explanation offered was that there was no compelling evidence that DJ did anything but since the ball moved and there was no other explanation available he must have been at fault. This whole fiasco is just more of the same mess the PGA Tour and the USGA have gotten themselves into by allowing HD video review of certain situations after the event takes place to be considered as means to call penalties or even disqualify a player (remember the issue that started it all where Craig Stadler used a towel at Torrey to "build a stance" under a tree and thus was disqualified after the round was over?) Unless you want to set up a "war room" at the tournament site that reviews every shot of every player it really means that only tournament leaders will be under such scrutiny - I suppose they could have an LCD sign behind each green letting a player know if his score for the hole was under video review and then make the call on the spot (like they do on hockey goals). USGA has a rules guy following each group - should be the responsibility of that guy to make the call on the spot and regardless of what TV shows later you have to go with the call "on the field". Rules guy asked DJ if he caused the ball to move and his answer was that he did not - it should have ended there. It's totally unfair that players are at the whim of whatever view the TV cameras may show and what shots will be seen and what shots will not; if you really wanted to take such stupidity all the way to its conclusion you could HI-Def the ball every time a player addresses it and then apply a penalty even if a player has a ball oscillate on him which is not a violation of the rules but may look like the ball moved. At some point you just have to trust the players and the on-course officials to do their jobs correctly.
  14. USGA and pro tour brought all of this trauma on themselves by allowing stuff observed on TV to become situations where penalties can be assessed after play is concluded. Every sport now has situations on the court or the field that HI-def TV allows to be seen - you have to draw the line someplace and if you have a rules official with each group in the US Open then that persons call should be binding and final on the spot. Nobody questioned the ruling that allowed Dustin to drop from the hay into the light rough because of famous "temporary moveable obstruction Oakmont rule" that Ernie Els benefitted from years ago - that drop may have saved him one or two or more shots at that point in the round and may have made a huge difference at the time. I liked David Fay's attempt at equality for that ruling by saying that perhaps a player might have a good lie in which case that ruling would hurt them - but of course nobody would be asking for such a ruling if the lie was good (just like having a ball on a cart path that can be easily played from). But we can leave the argument about "line of sight" for another time, particularly if the actual line of play the player might want to take is not on that line of sight.
  15. As I was watching the Open I began to wonder what distance the regular members at Oakmont play these holes at - I would think it would be impossible to find a membership of some 500 players that are all tour-quality young bucks that hit it 300+ off each tee. So looking at hole yardages as posted on the Oakmont Club website (nice site I might add) here are the yardages for each of the holes from the White Members tees: 423,317,378,504,347,152,357,209,459 (9 is played as a par 5 for members) 3146 front nine; 436,307,550,139,332,428,189,276,420 3077; 6223 yards total Not saying that the course would be all that much easier because the green speed and undulations, the effect of the rolling terrain and the amount of hazards on the course are all significant factors in making the course a tough test - but it does seem like a decent 10 handicapper might be able to at least make a few pars on the course if they could keep it straight and get some easy pin positions that might allow them to make a few putts.
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