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  1. On 3/31/2020 at 2:22 PM, Bonvivant said:

    I think you missed what I was talking about. If people that love to golf enough, but normally ride and can't right now, still go out and walk and play they might find a new appreciation for walking. I don't think that this will be the experience for most, but I hope that some people find a new way to enjoy the game, and stick with it. Carts are a very American thing, and I think that it stems from some form of convenience that American's value more than other people.

    All this talk of putting speakers in carts is making me sick though. Do y'all actually play music while you are golfing? If so, do you think that it doesn't bug others?


    Sorry, I mis-interpreted the word permanently.


  2. It may permanently change which courses survive, but it won't "permanently" change riding or walking.  Fast forward a few years with a vaccine in place and it will go back to normal.  100 degree weather will eliminate any thought of walking.

    If people won't ride a few feet from each other, how will they ever go to a sporting event at a stadium or arena; or be part of a gallery?


  3. While I think Chamblee could have used different language, there is one positive aspect to his comments.

    In a world where professional and recreational (for the most part) golf has shut down, it does give all of the commentators, and even the PGA, something to talk about.

    Being reduced to watching past golf tournaments, (and for me previous Stanley Cup runs), and movies, there is really nothing much to talk about.


  4. On 3/11/2020 at 1:35 PM, ChetlovesMer said:

    I have this golf buddy. He's a good guy and I like playing with him. He's the kind of guy that spends the entire round telling you about the round he's playing as he's playing it. I'm sure most of us have a buddy like that... or maybe you are the buddy like that.

    So I say "Why don't you get a lesson, or sign up for multiple lessons?" He's reluctant. He wants to figure it out on his own. But finally he relents and signs up for a free lesson. (First one is free.) 

    Okay, so he's in the slot at the range working with the pro. I'm in the next slot over, half hitting shots, half trying to glean information off his lesson. 

    So, the coach gives him some "feels" to try to go for, and some drills and suddenly my buddy is hitting it way better. And I mean tons better. 

    I don't know your buddy so I can't tell you if you should talk to him.  I took excerpts out of your post that might give you an idea what to do.

    I guess if you don't mind the constant whining throughout the round, and you think it might upset him too much, then you can always pass and accept that will be your day at the course.

    I like the use of the word "relents", it does show a degree of perseverance on your part.

    If you decide to pursue talking to him, you have all sorts of ammo.  I mean, you were there, you saw the immediate results and were impressed.

    I probably wouldn't say anything until you guys play again.  When he starts up again during the round, I'd tell him how great he hit the ball at his lesson.  You were there and saw it.  Depending how much you want to push it, you can make it a game of attrition.

    If I had a buddy that constantly complained and then I actually saw that he could improve fairly easily, it would be tough to listen to it.  You feel bad when someone is off, but

    when that person refuses to take advice that works from an instructor, I don't know.



  5. On 3/18/2020 at 4:37 AM, boogielicious said:

    It also reminds me of the technique called "Quiet Eye". With Quiet Eye you first look where you want the ball to go. Then only looking at your ball, you hit it. The idea is your brain already knows where the target is and now only ball is important.

    This also reminds me of mountain biking... I don't want to hit the tree, but if I look at the tree, I'll hit it.  Lol!

    As far as the topic.  I've done both, but in recent times it is distance.

    Picking a spot, trying to remember that exact spot (tuft or blade of grass), or believing it, from a setup perspective sometimes got me second guessing the line.  Once I start to second guess anything it's over.

    But this thread has gotten me thinking about coming up with a way to accept (convince me) that is the correct line.


  6. Nothing is worse than just staring at the ball and your mind is so cluttered that you can't even get started.  Sooner or later, you make a forced takeaway and then nothing but bad things happen.

    Ironically I decided to break the cardinal rule, I started my takeaway with my right hand.  It was almost like my brain was at a loss of words.  I thought it would really cause problems, but the club found it way where it needed to go and it didn't change the downswing.  I don't know if it will stick, but for now it seems to have removed a lot of tension.


  7. I know pat 3 courses have been mentioned.  That is where a lot of people can learn, especially kids.  Unfortunately, so many par 3 courses have been bulldozed over.

    When one of our sons and his wife come out we go to this little par 3 that is about a half hour away.  His wife never played golf, except when they come out.  It has been completely remodeled and it is dirt cheap.

    Mid-week is $6.75 (juniors are $1.75).  The longest hole is maybe 100 yards.  The 4 of us go and have a great time.  Someone will invariably sink a long putt or roll one from tee to the green.  But it reminds me of a time gone by when I would play as a kid.

    The same city has a mini golf park.  It costs $11.50 per person to play... lol.


  8. I haven't voted yet.  I'm still kicking it around.

    If I look at a few other sports, some are spectator, some participatory, and a few are both.

    I would think American football is primarily a spectator sport in that few people go out on the weekends and play in leagues.  There is also a noticeable absence of equipment commercials during broadcasts... lol.

    Cycling is on the other spectrum.  While a major event like the Tour de France will attract many local spectators, it not a good spectator sport from a broadcast perspective.  But that probably has little impact on how many go out an buy a bike and hit their local MUP.

    Soccer is one of those unique sports that fits both a spectator and participatory sport.

    Golf is real tricky.  Golf really isn't a great spectator sport for most people, especially those who don't play golf, and they won't sit and watch; dare I say boring.  At the same time golf, and tennis for that matter, are not easy sports to play.  Golf is hard.  Most anyone can ride a bike, or kick a soccer ball around.  No one has to take lessons.  And as a kid, I could always go out and shoot hoops, or get a bat and ball and some friends and play.

    I'm pondering the original question in the context of the word "good".  To me a lot comes down to what will improve, grow, the sport of golf over the next 25-50 years and attract future generations to experience the frustration of hitting that white ball all over creation for half a day.  Sometimes I think that the sport is primarily passed down from generation to generation and it spread to friends from there.  With the exception of Tiger, I'm not sure TV has a lot to do with it.  Since most people know the PGA Tour from TV, is it really growing anything just maintaining the interest of those who are already hooked on golf?


  9. 15 hours ago, leftybutnotPM said:

    I would be very surprised if "self-belief" was an issue with any of these players.

    Actually I'd be very surprised if self belief or self confidence is not an issue with many players in most every professional sport.  Granted flaws do work their way into even the most elite player.  But there is no denying that elite players in every sport at times just feel it.  They just know they are going to make it.  It's those times when everything slows down and you just see it happening.


  10. Nothing compares with the magnitude of cheating over an entire season, including the playoffs, resulting in winning the World Series.

    I could envision someone incorporating electronics that go undetected.  Not exactly the Rodney Dangerfield putter, but some unfair advantage.

    However, if someone was able to cheat throughout the season, end up number one and win the Tour Championship/Fedex Cup there would be more than a slap on the wrist.


  11. On 2/16/2020 at 6:27 AM, rod7515 said:

    My handicap was 14.3 but with the new system I am a 12.6.

    Not to take this in a different direction, but this is something I had read about with the new handicap system.  Shorter hitters that play forward tees are penalized.  Not that you are hitting from forward tees, however if you are playing no better but your handicap dropped based on how it is now calculated, you got sc#%$ed.


  12. Since you have a Sky Trak simulator, I would hit shots and get an idea what is going on.  I’m not sure of the features, but if you can get club head path and orientation at impact, it might give you the reason why you are going left and right.

    Club head speed, launch angle, etc.  might help to determine if your distances are where they should be or there is something else that is impacting getting the most from each shot.

    This isn’t a fix for being inconsistent, but it is something you might want to discuss with a pro going into lessons.


  13. I’m not a club designer, but it would seem that the wider the sole that contacts the ground the more adverse a significant increase in bounce would be.

    For a wide sole sure-out wedge shape, that trailing edge of the sole has got to impact the height of the leading edge a whole bunch.  Apart from playing it off my back foot, I can’t imagine a shot off a tighter lie.


  14. Why not?

    I don't know how many people here that would actually bag that Strata.  And there are a lot of golfers that wouldn't think twice about dropping $500 on the latest high tech aerodynamic driver that will give them a 0.2mph increase in swing speed and a good 6 inches more carry.

    Do the research and hit some used drivers and find one that will work better; or at least you feel better about.  If you are hitting the Strata straight, you can probably hit another driver just as straight; and if you pick up some yardage, good for you.

    Now if it's an old Top Flite Strata driver, then anything else will be better.


  15. Thanks everyone for letting me indulge in this thread.

    I recently got a high ankle sprain so I haven't been able to hit much less play.  Looking up stats and stuff, and posting, has been a bit of therapy for me.


  16. 39 minutes ago, iacas said:

    Jordan played 23 events last year and missed the cut in four of them.

    C'mon man.

    He also won over $2M and finished 44th in the FedExCup.

    You’re right.  Jordan actually played well on Thursday and Friday.  The weekend was his downfall.

    I should have resisted the cheap shot made only for effect.

    Added:  I had read, right or wrong, that his endorsements for 2019 were around $30m.


  17. To really put this in perspective... Jordan Spieth made $30m last year.  That’s a ton of money to play on Thursday and Friday... lol.

    I’ve seen his robotic Club Champion commercial and that has to be one of the worst ever.  At least Rickie is entertaining:


  18. Maybe so.  Rory complains about not getting paid his due.  He doesn’t seem to have an issue with only getting $300m from Nike and Taylormade.  I kinda think the 100th ranked player doesn’t quite have the same endorsements.

    That’s where the real money is made.  Tiger Woods has earned $120m playing golf.  His total earnings are a billion dollars.


  19. 2 hours ago, skydog said:

    The top players on tour- the ones who actually put butts in the seats- are subsidizing the salaries of the ‘average’ tour pro. The 100th player on the money list is not contributing the $1 mill+ in value that he is pocketing. Meanwhile, Rory and Tiger are contributing infinitely more in value than whatever they are making on the course in any given year. 

    This was already brought up.

    But, as a point of reference, there isn’t much difference between the top golfers subsidizing the tour and the big market major sports franchises subsidizing the small market/low revenue teams.

    When the Canadiens are making $100m and the Coyotes are losing $15m, who do you suppose helps the league the most in terms of a getting a better broadcasting contract?

    And to add insult to injury, how many snowbirds are helping low revenue sun belt teams?


  20. I’ll also add that Rory has lost the entire concept of all spots today when he talks about a transition from a competitive tour to entertainment with TV and people coming to watch, to getting back to where it was.

    A lot of work was spent decades ago to bring golf to TV.  You can’t separate the TV aspect from the reward.  Without TV presenting golf as entertainment, Tiger is just on page 7 of the sports section with some still photos.  And the words better than most, better than most, better than most, seem to lose a bit in print.


  21. 59 minutes ago, iacas said:

    You didn't read what I wrote.

    It's not about how much the top guys are paid. It's about how much the top guys are paid relative to the bottom guys. The top guys on the PGA Tour are subsidizing the bottom guys. That the bottom guys make 25% as much as the top guys isn't seen in any other major sport. The top guys in those sports earn 20x what some of the bottom guys make.

    Fair enough.  I’m don’t have a solution.  I.don’t have the stats, but the top players do not seem to be in the top 25 each week.  There is a lot of parity out there these days.  And some of the excitement are watching the young players.

    Some of it sounds like professional tennis.  The men’s side is so boring, especially the majors.  The same top 3 have won 90% of the grand slam tournaments for more than a decade. They may be great but I’m tired of watching, now, mid to late 30 somethings.  The women’s side is so wide open that the majors are really interesting.

    i think it really comes down to growing interest in the sport.  Obviously Tiger drives the bus, but I’m not sure watching the same top players is going to help; especially when their game is off.  The young guns need to take over and develop a following.  And I don’t know if a golf version of World Team Tennis will be any more successful and draw viewers.

    In the end it is all about how many are willing to give up their weekend to watch.  That has always been a stumbling block for the sport.  If you work you play on the weekends and people who don’t play golf rarely watch, outside of Tiger.


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