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  1. On 5/26/2020 at 9:00 AM, RetiredOldMan said:

    One of my "Pet Peeves" is to arrive at the course, change shoes, throw the bag on the cart, and proceed to the tee box. 

    I am then expected to hit my first shot immediately. I will warm up with several swings so I don't try and swing my driver with a cold body. But when that happens, I may hit my 3 wood off of the box until I warm up. 

    I'd suggest getting to the course earlier and warming up properly! 

  2. There's a local driving range that has been in existence for 3-4 years now. It's pretty much a self service operation. Of course, they have to cut grass and pick up balls. but to get you on the range is entirely automated. Stick a bucket under the spout on the machine and swipe a card of any type. It is preset to dispense only small buckets. If you want a large bucket, stick one of those under the spout and swipe twice! Easy

  3. 23 hours ago, bkuehn1952 said:

    A bit off topic but I believe the extended tee times both separate groups but also limit the number of carts on the course.  15 minute splits  puts a maximum of 16 carts on the course per hour and a total of 64 maximum in 4 hours.  Many of our local courses only have about 60 carts so to keep carts available to the groups later in the day, they limit how many go out.

    As to all the games that are being played at @FlyingAce's private club, I might seek out similarly affected members and go as a group to the head pro. Present a series of reasonable changes you would like to see instituted.  Give the pro a chance to make things right.  If he ignores your reasonable requests, it might be time to find a new club.

    Nope. That's not OT at all. In fact, it's right on topic! Reminded me that a local course who is on my e-mail list sent me an e-mail saying that they were reworking their tee sheet due to a limited number of carts. They have 70 which, according to their math, allowed them to put 140 golfers on the course at one time! Simple math will tell you that is not possible. But, one rider per cart does put limits on them! 

    BTW, played another of my favorite courses in the area on Tuesday. They had the plexiglass dividers installed in the carts which, supposedly, makes it OK for 2 to ride together. I didn't have to since we were a threesome. However, that damned plexiglass panel flapping around in the breeze, and flexing this way and that on curves and turns, and repeatedly tattooing the hell out of my right elbow, did NOT add to my enjoyment of the round! 

  4. 12 hours ago, David in FL said:

     How far out can you make a time?  I can book a time 2 weeks out.  The tee sheet “opens” at 6:30am for the day 2 weeks out.  I simply set an alarm/reminder for then and make my time right away.

    @boogielicious is right.  A little planning is all it takes. 

    Beyond really popular times/days though, we’re pretty much business as usual.  Still at 8 minute intervals. Hell, 15 minutes can be 2 full holes!


    There's a course in this area that will accept tee times a year in advance! It's one of our favorites, and has been in existence for 89 years, always owned by the same family. The community is fiercely loyal to it. People have retired from this area and moved away to Arizona, Florida, or the Carolinas, but they always come back every year to play there. Before they head back home they will make their tee times for next year. 

    There have been some issues here, but not too many. So many are off work, with 600 bucks extra in federal unemployment coming in, so why not go play golf! The courses are packed! Even the ones sticking with standard spacing between groups.  I don't understand the extended spacing either. If we pulled up behind a group that was next to tee off, I didn't walk up there and try to hang out with them! 

  5. 52 minutes ago, RickK said:

    A different take on push/pull carts....

    I have been playing golf for 52 years.  When I started I tried a pull cart once and hated using it.  I have used a buddy's push cart once and hated it.  I probably walked and played for over 20 of those 52 years and I carried my clubs more often than not.  I don't do that any more due to bad knees and ankles.  But, I have gotten older and have become much more familiar with what it cost to keep golf courses the way most of us golfers prefer them to be...it takes money and lots of it.  So, I don't begrudge golf courses for banning push/pull carts.  Rental cart revenue surely helps pay some of those expenses keeping the course they way we like it to be.  

    So, why not charge for the push carts? That is, unless you bring your own. The local metroparks courses invested a pile of money in a bunch of new Sun Mountain push carts, which have turned out to be very popular! There are more people walking the courses than I have ever seen before! 

  6. On 3/1/2020 at 9:44 PM, iacas said:

    The Players might have the strongest field in all of golf. But among majors, the PGA is actually the highest, and it's an actual major. That still carries weight.

    And "might" is on its way out of town. The Players almost always IS the strongest field. But it doesn't have the major title/weight.

    Do you think it's time we start talking about 5 majors?

  7. On 5/24/2020 at 4:40 PM, Divot Master said:

    I think we're seeing a couple vanity handicaps today.


    On 5/24/2020 at 8:05 PM, Yukari said:

    Even though it looks that way, but with all that pressure, I won't be surprised if they are not performing as well as they would otherwise.

    I am waaayyy too familiar with not playing anywhere near to my handicap.

    Consider how your HI is arrived at. From the courses you routinely play. And even though Peyton Manning is a member of Augusta National, I don't know how often he gets to play it. The thing about the handicap "index" is, I thought it could be adjusted upward or downward depending on the difficulty of the course you are playing that day. But I wonder. Like at the Pebble Beach pro-am they routinely announce some obscure entertainers handicap as " a 5.2 at his home course, Dead Mules CC in Loose Gravel, Iowa." 

    Also, many years ago I read an article about the Medalist Golf Club in Hobe Sound, Fla. Before opening the course for play, Greg Norman invited a bunch of buds, including Jack Nicklaus, to play it and provide feedback. After the round, when asked about his assessment of the course, he said that the fairways were far too tight, the forced carries over water and swamp were far too long, and the rough way too penal for a resort course! And one thing Nicklaus said was so vivid that it kind of burned itself into my brain. He said that he was a highly skilled long iron player, but he still had problems getting a ball to hold on the hood of a car! 

    Greg wound up with more work to do! 

  8. On 5/19/2020 at 8:41 AM, Vinsk said:

    So....it’s the US CLOSED tournament.

    Or the US Invitational. 

    Read an article in the paper yesterday about this. I never realized what a Herculean task qualifying was for the USGA to pull off! It is a huge job! It would have been impossible to pull off under the current situation. The Open itself seems small by comparison. 

  9. On 5/18/2020 at 10:11 PM, iacas said:


    We know more now.

    Know more about what?

    On 5/19/2020 at 7:07 AM, iacas said:



    I'm trying to figure out what your point is here.

    Have you read up on the course? Because you know, the Old Course doesn't look all that great on TV. Hell, the first fairway is wider than some driving ranges are long, after all. Pros can drive many of the par fours. Etc. etc.

    You planning to take a dump on the Old Course next? 😛

    Probably not.

    Odds are the folks who ranked it 12th probably know a bit more about architecture than you and I combined, I'd think. It's probably not too far off from its rightful place.

    If you have an argument based on the actual architecture, and not a single four-hour TV coverage with some of the game's best (only half of which broke par, and not by a lot), we'd love to hear it.

    Don't you get it man? All the courses in the old country are far superior to those here in the new world! Even though some of them were designed by men from the old country. It seems that once they set foot on our soil, they lost their touch and they became poor designers! 

  10. 23 hours ago, billchao said:

    I remember that article, so Mark's results don't surprise me in the least bit ;-)

    It's why I'm not getting rid of my blades now that I'm playing cavity backs again. One day...

    Have to keep in mind though that this is a high skilled player performing this test. His definition of "very poor strike" is a good strike by my standards.

    Blades are going to perform better around the sweetspot than cavity backs, because by design, cavity backs have less mass behind the sweetspot than blades do. There is going to be more variation in the result from the collision of the club and ball. Where you're going to see the design advantage of a cavity back is farther away from the sweet spot than 5mm.

    This is why I have thought for years that the old "players blades" could teach you to be a better player! Yes, some of those blades were tiny! But, if you could get all that mass to the back of the ball....Oh! how it would fly! 

    10 hours ago, ChetlovesMer said:

    I've been following and occasionally commenting on this series. I find it fascinating. I think what I've learned by all of this is: Find some irons you like. Get 'em fitted, and learn how to hit 'em. 

    I'm going to argue the Indian is more important than the arrow. 

    I also wonder if the modern "Game Improvement" iron. Is designed to compensate for way off center hits and therefore over-compensates for mildly off center hits??? 

    Exactly! The GI irons moved the weight of the clubhead all around the perimeter to eliminate twisting on off center strikes! But, if you hit it in the center, it won't go as far because there's not as much mass there. 

    What can we do about this? We can crank down the lofts and lengthen the clubs! We have been sold such a bill of goods! 

  11. On 4/28/2020 at 11:47 AM, Patch said:


    Of course to keep peace in the family, I also spend time shooting baskets in the drive way with our youngest Granddaughter. I can't remember the last time I won a game of H.O.R.S.E.. My body hasn't been 14 years old in several decades. Her "no mercy" moves are no longer a part of my physical attrubutes....lol


    😁 This reminds me of shooting hoops with the daughter of the owners of the company in their driveway. I was in my early to mid-40's at the time, and the girl was about 10 I guess. I'd try to teach her about the game. I once over heard her her tell her Mom, "If Gary would practice, he could be really good!" I just had to chuckle. 

    Back in the day, I could play me some Bball! I could dunk a volleyball at 5'9". I could run the length of a regulation college court in 3.4 seconds. This was verified by the YSU coach at the time, Dom Rosselli. 

    Eventually, I explained to the young lady that I "used to be" good. At around 10 years old, she had no idea about "used to be"! 

  12. I work every puzzle in the paper to try to keep this 67 year old brain semi-functional. What I've discovered is that, every so often, I can solve one of the bronze (easy) level sudokus! I try to be systematic, but it seem to come down to pure happenstance. No time to watch tonight, but I will watch this, as maybe it will clue me in to a flaw in my methodology. 

    The one puzzle that I have really fallen in love with is the "Cryptoquip", which is a substitution cipher. Once I solved my first one I was hooked!

  13. 23 hours ago, colin007 said:

    I don't for the life of me understand why they were carrying instead of using push carts. Makes no sense to me.

    When I was that age, I walked and carried all the time. 

    12 hours ago, burr said:

    My main interest in watching was to see the famed Seminole Golf Course, not the golf involved;  so much hype about the course all week.  And it is a beautiful setting.  I understand the design had to work with what they had but I'm fairly amazed at the closeness of all holes from green to next teebox.  I suppose play does not get too backed up on an ultra elite course such as Seminole but I also betcha they's some ducking going on with the errant shots during normal golfing days.

    they seemed to be fairly prompt except for deciding who was 'away' on second shots.


    8 hours ago, iacas said:

    I don’t think it’s ranked as the 12th best course in the world because of rich members.


    7 hours ago, Sandy Divot said:

    Mabye it needs the wind to play like #12. 

    Well, there was some wind and nobody murdered the course! I had heard that comment earlier in the week leading up to the event. If the wind didn't blow, someone could go out there and shoot 60! That's why I tuned in. I wanted to see Seminole. Looked pretty awesome to me. Also, it did remind me of Pinehurst #2 a little bit, after they restored it to its original condition. Well, other than the palm trees! 

    7 hours ago, iacas said:

    It had a little wind, and it's not like anyone shot 66.

    Two of the four were over par.

    And that's with an unusual amount of rain. It was super soft, and normally is quite firm.

    And they still had trouble holding shots on the greens! I'm a Donald Ross fan. We have a handful of his courses in my area, and I've played most of them. If you learn about him, and keep an eye out, you can usually spot his design.

  14. 2 hours ago, StuM said:

    From my quick look, Matt's shot looked closer than Rory on #17.  Why no camera view of the green to confirm?



    2 hours ago, Bonvivant said:

    I thought this too but the angle was really bad. Stupid that it was closest to pin instead of another hole played. I think wolff had a better putt than rory. 

    That's the thing about TV views, you can't trust them! My buddy likes to do this when we're scrambling. He'll walk up on a green and announce "you're away". I'll walk behind the hole and look at the relative positions of the golf balls to the hole. When it suits my purpose, I'll tell him to  come look at it from my perspective when he's wrong. Pisses him off to no end! Which is part of my design! He makes bad decisions when he's pissed off! 

  15. Didn't see a reply here, so thought I'd chime in. It doesn't really matter that you are 6'7"! I can imagine you already think I'm crazy. What matters is your "wrist to floor" measurement. In other words, how long your arms are. If you have shorter than usual arms for a man your height, you may need longer clubs. But if not, you might need standard of even shorter than standard length clubs. 

    Quite some time ago I read a book titles In Search of the Perfect Golf Club by Tom Wishon, who was a professional club designer and fitter. He designed the last new set of clubs for Payne Stewart. In the chapter on club length, he wrote about fitting up some NBA players. These guys were anywhere from 6'6" to 6"11", and for many of them he had to build shorter than standard clubs! When someone asked why, he said because their hands were hanging down around their knees! 

    To get a wrist to floor measurement you stand erect on a flat surface, wearing shoes with about the same sole thickness as your golf shoes, and measure from the first big crease on the inner side of your wrist just below the thumb and heel pad, to the floor. This is the number you need. 


  16. On 5/11/2020 at 12:53 PM, iacas said:

    Nope, and this topic isn't about "shrinking the game," so let's move on and discuss the actual topic, please.

    It's a reaction to the idea that we over-built in the late 90s and early 00s. Too many golf courses, and then now we have to "grow the game" to try to make the over-grown 90s/00s sustainable. Maybe we don't.

    But again, not the topic here.

    I've already seen some of the effects in the OP in the past here in NE Ohio. We were severely overbuilt for golf, and when we started losing population after the steel mills closed, courses started going down! And we lost some good ones, ones I hated to see go! 

    As far as increased walking, I've observed an increase in that for the past few years. Especially at Mill Creek Park golf course. This is a 36 hole Donald Ross track in the Mahoning County Metro Park District. Lots of people come to walk to get exercise on the hike & bike trails, so why not throw in another activity to make your walk more interesting? And I don't think it hurts that, a few years ago, they spent a ton of money on a slew of new, state of the the art, Sun Mountain push carts, and got rid of the old, depression era pull carts! 

    I really don't expect the effects from COVID-19 to be all that significant. 

  17. On 5/10/2020 at 6:31 PM, sjduffers said:

    A few months ago, I played with an older (much older) gentleman who grew up around Peeble Beach: so that must have been in the 60s or thereabout. He had some interesting stories and I recall him saying that he was paying less than $20, whenever he was paying, to get on.  Good times, compared to what $600 now?

    You answered my question. I was wondering what it cost to play Pebble back then. 

    On 5/8/2020 at 11:04 AM, DaveP043 said:

    At the time, these guys were being paid pretty well for an exhibition match, they were definitely not going to have anything but praise for the courses and the hospitality.  What I find interesting in just about all of the old film is the speed of the greens.  The finest courses in the world were played with greens that most local munis would find embarrassing now.

    Yeah. You see that wristy "rap" that they give the ball, even at Augusta. Here's something that surprised me. The first time I went to Oakmont for the US Open was 1973. As you know, Oakmont greens are lightning fast. They had these odd looking, green, "turleback" walk behind greens mowers that I had never seen before. The last time I went was in 1994 when Ernie Els won. I expected to see new, state of the art mowers there but no, they had the same old green turlebacks they had 21 years earlier! I figure that they must be re-engineered and re-tooled by some genius member of Oakmont's green keeping staff. 

    And a thought  just occurred. Let's not forget the influence of new grass strains. Penn State's agronomy department has developed a slew of them! 

  18. Must not have been very good turf to begin with. But, you can never really know! 

    One year, i convinced my buddies to go out and play Windmill Lakes, near Ravenna, OH. This was not my best idea! Windmill was one of the first courses opening. It had suffered greatly under a severe Winter, and was not in the best condition to play! My buddies came away from that experience with negative ideas about the course. They said they didn't care to play it again!

    I begged them to reconsider, and we booked another round in high Summer! It was glorious, and my buddies absolutely loved the course! Time of year can make all the difference! 


  19. On 9/17/2019 at 11:04 AM, NM Golf said:

    Both have a traditional way of dressing to show respect to the proceedings. The only difference would be golf clothing is comfortable and actually aids in the activity of playing golf whereas a suit and tie is not comfortable and actually hinders the enjoyment of doing anything.

    Again not sure why people get upset about dress codes and wearing appropriate attire to the course. It's not like courses are asking you to wear something weird and uncomfortable.

    Remember: Dress like the golfer you want to be not like the golfer you are 😏. If you suck at least look good doing it.

    Let's remember that, back in the day, pro golfers played in dress shirts and ties! 

    9 hours ago, cooke119 said:

    Never wear jeans, always wear a collared shirt, shows respect for the game and others. I'm sorry to say that some of the courses by me do not enforce the rules.

    I've played at courses like that, and they have their place. It's not the place I would choose to occupy! But, every place needs to know its niche. Years ago, I had a buddy who had a favorite saying, "REMEMBER WHERE YOU ARE!" If you order "Steak Diane" in a restaurant out in the boonies, you may be disappointed! If you expect a "championship experience" at some course that allows players to wear cut-off jeans, you're not liable to get it! 

    Seems like simple common sense to me! 

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