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  1. After 10 years of inactivity i re-start playing this year. started with 4 index, now i´m 1. Im tunning up my game to compite on September in the Argentina Mid Amateur Championship. 3 days stroke play, my objective is to break 80 each round an finish between the best half of players. (Eg. Top 30 of 60 players.) Good luck in your tournament and post your results !
  2. 5 over at the last course of the TW 2012 (Agusta edition) 5 Straigth days rainng result in all courses closed for the weekeed. Fortunately the sun comes up again and i will play friday, saturday and sunday at my home course.
  3. On Saturday Played matchplay semifinals of my home course in pairs with handicap. We played with 3 strokes and they with 8 strokes so we gave them 3 strokes. We where 4 under in the front 9. I was playing avg golf (2 over) and my partner where in a bad day. In the back i just focus on making pars and force the other team to make pars to win the match. Amazingly in the back 9 we shoot 1 under (i shoot even par) and we won 7 hole ´s (loose one) to end up winning 2 UP on the 18th. Next Saturday is the gran finale. Shoot 74 (2 over) On Sunday played stroke play at my home course with winds of 25 miles an hour. My regular drive in winter carries in average 250 yards, that day againt the wind i only could reach 200 yards with roll ! With the wind the carry went to 290 yards. Hit an 8 Iron punch down against the wind from 80 yards to the middle of the green (tha was after hitting a normal PW from 80 yards and getting short of the of the green by 10 yards). It was crazy !! Shoot 82, with lots of 3 putts because of the wind. Rigth to left putts break rigth because of a left to right wind, same thing with uphill putts with the wind. Good ball striking with 9 GIR, no penalty´s. Wind gust´s over 30 miles an hour where difficult to handle.
  4. 2 weeks ago I bought a new set of irons, the last one where 15 years old so i didn´t know how far i would hit my 9 iron with the new ones. With the last ones i hitted 140 yards with the 9 iron. Here in Argentina I think trackman exist but if it does it´s really expensive to purchase for and hour to check distances. So i went to the course on and try to figure my distances through the round. The result was that i end up shot of my target most of the time and a few short of the green, never miss in the back. I think there is no worst feeling than hitting a really good iron rigth to the flag and ending way short because of bad club selection. Next day i open and excel and start writting down every hole, with distance intended to shot, iron selection and the result distance. well the result was not good at all. In average i hit 9 yards less than i spected. Thats exactly one club less on each hole. That would not be a problem, to solve it I just need to club up. But that´s not the case, some shot pass the hole 5 yards so if i club up there i´ll be off the green too. What worries me the most is that my deeph dispersion was 30 yards long, from -25 yards short of my target to 5 yards past my target. Im a pretty good striker, my misses regulary are rigth or left not long/short of the green. So there was something that i was missing. That´s when i realised i was not taking into account other factors than distance and wind for my club selection. After online reseach i gather more factors and add them to my excel and how they will afect the distance in yards. With that i could see cleary that my club selection was really poor. I group the factors in categories. Ball Factors: Lie (Tee, fairway, flyer, sand, rough..etc) Ground (Dry, normal, wet) Slope (Sidehill,uphill,downhill) Air factors: Wind speed and direction Temperature Height over sea Green Factors: Height Roll Then i set average yardage of impact on every item... for example.. in ball factors: Lie: A tee up ball on a Par 3 will make in average better contact strokes so i´ll need to hit 5 yards less, so Tee = -5. Fairway is the best lie no efect takes 0 yards. Flyer lies will add distance to a shot so a have to hit 5 yards less, so -5. Sand or rough depending on the length of grass/sand deeph i will reduce distance so i have to hit more, so you have to decide how much, from +5 to infinite. At my home course the worst rough will take 20 yards of a shot. So deep rought will be +20, light rough will be +5.. average rough will be +10. Did the same with the other factors, a mix of online research and 15 years of experience playing golf. Now a real example of that round: Hole 5, 145 yards to the hole (to the middle of the green). I was against the wind but it was a little breeze, no more than 5 yards. So what i did then ?? My 8 iron hits 150 yards so was the rigth club to hit to reach my inteded 145 yards. Hit a decent shot and i end up 15 yards shorter into the bunker. What happened? well, didn´t take into account the other factor´s. Lie was ok in the fairway (0). Slope was flat (0). As i said wind was against (+5). Height over sea, im´practically 1 to 5 meters over the sea so no effect (0) Green Heigth was at the same heigth as me (0) and the green are really soft so the ball stops right away even with a 4 iron with the wind, so no roll (0). At that point of the analisis every thing was OK, the count was +5. 145+5=150, it´s 8 iron!. But now let take into account the last 2 factors: Ball Factors - Ground: the day before rains a lot so the ground was way too soft and the club takes a lot of divot in every shot reducing club speed so the math in there told me that this will reduce my distance in 5 yards so i need to hit 5 more yards. 145 yards + 5 (wind) + 5 (wet ground) = 155 yards Air Factor - Temperature: I measured my distances in december when i started to play again and it was summer with 30 to 40 degrees Celsius ( 86 to 104 Fahrenheit) so the ball flew more. That morning after the rain it was really cold 10°C (50°F). As i read ball flying will reduce 2 yards with a drop of 10°F, so 50°F was arround 5 times that gap so 10 yards less. So temporature = +10. So the final numbers are: 145 yards + 5 (wind) + 5 (wet ground) + 10 Temperature = 165 yards to reach my intended spot in the middle of the green. Now i know why i hit it decent with my 8i (150 yards) but leave it 15 yards shorter into the bunker. Instead i yould hit a 7 iron (160 yards) o 6 iron(170 yards) to be closer to my target, maybe a soft 6 iron. The numbers that day were: Average distance related to target(ADRT): -9 yards Longer miss(LM): +5 yards Shorter miss(SM): -25 yards Deep dispersion(DD): 30 yards. Miss average Ratio(MAR): 10 yards Last weekend applyed this analisis before every shot for 2 rounds and the result where really encouraging. Here I compare the 3 rounds Item 1St 2nd 3er ADRT -9 1 -1 LM 5 15 10 SM -25 -10 -10 DD 30 25 20 MAR 10 3 4 ADRT tells me that my shots now average my intended yards, some longer and some shorter. LM/SM how far o short my worst shot was. DD is important because I norrowed my gap from 30 yards to 20. MAR is very important because my average yards from my target in deeph reduces from 10 to 3,5. Thats 6,5 yards closer to the hole in deeph in average. If i hit it right to the ping I´m going to be in average 3,5 yards away of it, thats 10 feet over the 10 yards (30 feet). If i hit it 10 yards left or rigth i´ll be (using math) 10,6 yards to the hole (31 feet) (missing 3,5deeph X 10width) witch is closer than 14 yards (42 feet) (missing 10deeph X 10width) I hit my irons good all three days´s but the result were better the last 2 day´s. In the first round I shoot a 76 with 10 GIR, in the second shoot a 72 with 12 GIR and the last one shoot 74 with 14 GIR(poor putting). All missed greens where left or right, knowing that i could miss +-10 yards away frmo my intended target i always aimed +10 from the front of the green or -10 from the back of it. My greens are 20 to 30 yards deep so i aimed to the middle of the green or 5 yards away from it if the flag were in the front or in the back. That garanteed me to hit the green at least in deeph. Left or rigth missed could happend. Hope this help you hit more greens and make better club selections.
  5. Stroke play last June 5th. Borring round 76. 14 pars, 4 bogeys. Reach front green in 3 Par 5 but chipped very short. First time playing with my brand new Irons (Titleist 716 Ap1). Really nice clubs, leave my old ping isi at home for good. This weekend played a 2 day fourball tournament at my home course too. I´d pair up with a guy i didn´t know. We shoot 144 (Even) and 138 net finishing 3rd making the cut to play quarter finals. My individual score for the 2 rounds was 146 (+2), played well.
  6. Crappy rainny weekend. No golf for me. Purchased a new set of Titleist Ap1 4-W and i´m really ansious to play with them. Just hit a bucket of 50 balls to try them out, pretty nice feel. After 15 years my old ping ISI will rest in peace.
  7. Shot 39-34 =73 ( +1 ) today. 4 over after 8th, good comback 3 under par till the end of the round.
  8. An statistical approach to the question. HomeCourse: Back Tees 6550 Yards, really open course, the wind and greens are the primary defense. Considering Tour Driving average distance of 290 yards to a Safe Spot in the fairway. Avg 1st shot on Par 3 = 170 Yards (Shots Spected= 3,02 - 3 = 0,02 ) X 4 Avg 2nd Shot on Par 4 = 90 Yards (Shots Spected= 2,78 - 3 = -0,22 ) X 10 Avg 2nd Shot on Par 5 = 230 Yards (Shots Spected= 3,39 - 4 = -0,61) X 4 Score Par 3= 0,08 + Score Par 4= -2,2 + Score Par 5 = -2,64 Average Score= -4,76 (Par 72): 67,24 So i vote for the option : 65-70. Note: they will fire in average 67,24 but some good day´s they will fire near low 60´s and not good day´s they will fire arround low 70´s.
  9. Be thankfull if you where allow to play this week ! Im ill, resting in bed for the 5th day now. Last night i also get burn with boiling water, hand, leg and knee. So painfull. Hope that i can play again next week.
  10. First post here. But a 69(34-35) feels greate. Par 72 (71,2 rating). 4 birdies, 1 bogey. 16 GIR. Still to beat my life record 5 under made in 2000, happy to be back on track.
  11. Agreed with everything, but dont undestand why aiming at the flag will leave me with a lot fewer ball in the green if the normal dispersion is bigger than the green width (or dispersion diagonal) ? Aiming at the middle will leave you (just as an example) 60% ball in the green, 20% rigth in the bunker and 20% left in the rough. Aiming left to avoid bunker will leave you 60% at the green and 40% at the rough. Aiming rigth towards the flag will leave you 60% balls in the green and 40% in the bunker. So the 3 options leaves you with 60% shots in the green.
  12. I know the SZ has to be general, it´s a concept. Each player has to mesure it to know their own more precisly like i did. All i said work for me of course, it´s the final goal of the analysis! that´s the idea. but i could work for someone else to, i just encourage not to just aim at the middle of the green like i used to do because I read it or was told to, give it little more thought to it and know when is better and when is not. Totally agre with the 100 yards / 50 yards matter. In general (PGA stats) is better a shot from the bunker 15 yards away (the bunker next to the hole in the picture) average : 2,46 strokes than a shot from the other side of the green int the rough 25 yards way from the ping average : 2,64 strokes. One´s again that´s a generall stat and for the pro, most mortal amateurs are worst from the bunker than the rough and it would be better staying out of the bunker at all cost as you said. But the one´s that are decent from the sand like pro or scratch amateurs benefist from that skill and prefer (based on stats) landing the ball on the sand close to the flag than lading it farther away in the rough. By the way im´not an awsome buker player but im´s worst from 20+ yards shots even in the fairway so for me is better been as close as i can from the flag to increse my chance for and up and down.
  13. I agree with the shot zone shape for a rigth handed player on average. But not for everyone. I have more distance control than direction. I miss a lot more left/rigth than short/long that´s why my shot zone is wider but not too deep. Also always hits fade shot to avoid hitting left misses way to long and rigth misses way to short, not even 1 single straight or draw shot) In the first 2 pictures my landing area past the hole (aiming at the hole) still be in the green or right/left of it. And in the picture with the bunker I really prefer beeing in the sand trap near the hole than on the other side on the rough with twice the distance to the hole. Don´t get we wrong, not saying you are wrong, just that i try to do the best for my game. I i think it´s ok if you think you prefer avoid been on the sand if you think it´s worst than been left in the rough. About my math approach it´s obviusly not perfect, is just a simulation to see from that point of view where i should aim in some scenarios at my golf course. I could get more accurate if i add more detailed information as slopes, short with little green space to work with, deep rough, non-linear dispersion.. etc. But that´s not the point at all, and thats a lot of work too, in the course i have to decide my shot zone without the math.. so it give me tips based on data that where is better for me an where´s not. About aiming to not to miss the green... It´s just what I felt not speeking generally, when i aimed for the midddle of the green my subconsient is trying to not to miss the green. aim big miss big. But when i aimed at the flag subconsisnt aimed to not to miss the flag. Aim small, miss mal. It´s a defect in me that i cannot focus in the middle of the as q target, and star thinking not missing the green, when i aim at the flag, despite i know i can easily miss the green im more focus on getting it closer to the flag. Hate the mental game..
  14. I think a lot of people thinks that aiming at the center of the green is safer that aiming at a flag in the right side (as an example). But no always is the case. If you have a 20 yards wide green and the flag is 5 yards from the rigth edge and your shot dispersion is 15 yards left/rigth. Aiming for the middle of the green will place your shot zone from 5 yards miss green left and 5 yards miss green rigth. Thats an average of 10 yards out of the green inside the shot zone and 20 yards of green. thats 66% of chances of hitting that green. But if you im for the flag you still have 66% chances of hitting that green!! Why? thats because your shoot dispersion will still include the 20 yards of the green and 10 yards rigth of it. 0 yards to the left. That´s 10 yardas out of the green and 20 yards in the green. Same 66% but aiming at the ping. the benefith is that your shot pattern is centered in the flag so the average distance to flag will be shorter. Played at my golf course on sathurday hitting a nice 3 under par. (4 birdies / 1 bogey / 1 chip-in / 15 GIR). Aiming at every flag except i consider that a missing shot in the shot zone will lead to a d-bogey or worst (OB or water hazard). Felt grate aiming for a small target and not aiming for not to miss the green, dispersion was pretty narrow.
  15. Nobody said we aim to miss. We always aims at a target. It could be the flag, the center of the green, a safe zone or every where we want. What we said y that you have to take in cosiderations the sourrounding of the target. Avoiding pensalty hazards or week spot for our skills when we miss a shot. Even the pro know they miss a lot of shots during a round and not always go for the flag. They just pick their targets carefully and try to hit it there whereever it is. Phil was one of the pro that always aimed for the flag, but no majors wons until he changes his mentality and start playing smarter shots.