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  1. Had I known that was the type of dress code we were debating, I'd be on the other side of this particular topic!
  2. First of all, I don't understand what a wedding and a round of golf have anything to do with each other. Secondly, it seems a lot of the arguments presented are whether a dress code is good for a certain course, or for the game of golf. If a course decides it will make more money by having a certain look and appeal to a higher class of golfer, then obviously that's good for that course but I don't know if that's best for golf, and there is a difference. I don't come from a large area, or particularly well-to-do area, so most of my friends and myself grew up and learned to get into golf on our local muni without a dress code. If it was a fancier course that required a dress code I never would've started playing there, and I wouldn't have gotten into playing as much there as I still do. Being a municipal course, I know that if it was just based on the golf the course would barely survive and one bad year could be the end of it. A lot of the revenue that is generated by my course is through the campground that it provides nearby, and the rounds that are played by the campers. I also know many of those campers come up with rental clubs, or sharing clubs with the golfers that they came with, and would not normally bring a collared shirt with on a camping trip just to wear it for a round on a hungover morning activity. So if this course would shut down because of a dress code, I have to imagine others would too. That makes it that much harder for more people to be introduced to golf in a meaningful way (actually playing), and doesn't contribute to growing the game at all. I have to imagine that with fewer people being introduced and playing golf, these mid to upper class public courses would have more trouble staying afloat as there are less people that are willing to splurge on a higher priced round than they normally do, or wouldn't have the opportunity to get the middle level executives that have gained enough to want to be a member there because they haven't been introduced to golf.
  3. @iacas If you went to any super private/exclusive course, and you were allowed to wear anything you wanted from just your underwear to a 3 piece suit and anything in between, if you chose to wear just your underwear would you respect golf less? Would you respect the course less? Why? If we say that wearing certain clothes is "more good" for Golf, then we should do that everywhere. If it's truly the best thing that we can do for golf on the apparel topic, why wouldn't we want to make every golf course have a dress code? Tangentially, why is the PGA relaxing their dress code if it was better for the game of golf? What level of dress code helps? Collared shirts? They don't require that anymore. No shorts? It's allowed for practice rounds (I think...). I can't imagine these decisions are hurting golf, but if it was better for golf why wouldn't they want to keep it the way it was? Above all, I believe that a corporation will try to do what is in its best interest to make money. If they think that they can get more people to watch, or to get out and potentially be the next Tiger, Rory, Brooks, DJ or whomever so that they can make money off of their popularity, why wouldn't they keep the same dress codes that they've always had to make golf better/more good/however you want to say it. Anecdotally, we as golfers largely have these clothes because we've grown to accept the way things are and have bought them because of that. My wife hates going to courses with a dress code, to the point where we've not gone, because she's not part of this community. These types of interactions cannot be measured as you can't measure the lack of something, so I know it's not a solid argument but how many rounds are being lost to people that can golf, would spend money on the round, but don't want to or can't dress up compared to what they're taking in now? Obviously we can't measure the other way either as they're not relaxing their dress code and I don't know of any places like that which have put out a survey asking if they'd stop coming if they did so to get any meaningful stats.
  4. I don't equate respect for people that I know and like well enough to celebrate a once in a lifetime (hopefully) event to a regular leisure occurrence. But if you do, I'm glad.
  5. For the Funeral/Wedding question: it's a sign of respect to the people/family involved, not some business. That respect to a person/family I care about is what it adds. However, if I don't dress up for a round of golf, I'm not going to go out on a golf course and drive over the greens or anything, I'm going to respect the rules of golf. Clothing doesn't affect how respectful I am to a place of business. Now if I didn't do my research and went to a course that had a dress code, I'm forced to change what I'm wearing or I can't play there. I'm not debating if the establishment has the right to do so, of course they do. But I don't see where having such a dress code is beneficial which is what I'm trying to understand.
  6. I would just go to the range, get used to where your weight should be, and try to find your own feeling on how you need to get there.
  7. Still not an answer, but if there isn't a good one then I guess that will help me settle my mind. Places have always been well within their rights to restrict people based on apparel. No shirt, no shoes, no service is a common motto for a reason. I still don't hear a reasonable explanation for what a dress code adds to golf. I've heard that it can make you feel better to dress up, and an informal three person survey that apparently it wouldn't bother those three people.
  8. I didn't ask if people would be "fine" dressing up for golf, I asked what it would add to golf. I routinely dress up for courses because I can't golf on them if I don't. Doesn't mean it adds to the game for myself. A great course and fancy clubhouse, that I can feel comfortable at and enjoy myself in, in any attire sounds amazing. If the only argument that you present is that I need to dress up to fit in doesn't hold a lot of water with me as if the dress code went away, then I'd still fit in. Should I not fit in to a place if I don't dress like you? That seems silly. It might be fun to dress up if I choose (and I agree, it is nice to dress nice when I want to) but when I want to and being forced to are two different things.
  9. I have to agree with Erik here. Just watching three or four videos from the sidekick was enough to show me that they aren't analyzing their game(s) scientifically. Anybody that can hit a 9 iron 170+ has a good swing, and of course they're going to do well (because they have a good swing). So preaching the importance of short game for them is fine as long as that's their most glaring weakness. And honestly, I haven't watched enough to know if that's their weakest part of their game, otherwise they should be spending more time to dial in their long game so they don't have to have as good of a short game.
  10. Some hybrids don't always set for a super high launch. I was fitted for a hybrid earlier this year and a couple of them had my typical fairly low ball flight but some of the heads (no matter the shaft) just sent it skyward compared to my stock shot. However, if you're hitting with too much downward angle, I don't think the hybrid head will matter as you're taking too much loft off the club at that point. I know I have that issue from time to time in my irons, but changing my swing mechanics sorted that out for me. Essentially, the rule of thumb is that the hybrid will make it easier to get the ball into the air, but not always necessarily higher than an iron would be.
  11. I haven't kept up on this thread at all, but I would pose the question in two different ways: What does dressing nice bring to the game, or what does wearing any old shoes and shirt detract from the game? I don't see how adding another requirement to golf benefits it. What are the opinions out there that makes a dress code a net positive?
  12. Then as somebody that's learned a lot from here, and from other reputable sources, I would work on shaping my shots every time you have a non-pitch shot. Pick whichever one is better for you (draw or fade, I've come around to loving my fade even though my home course tends to set up for a draw better) and try to do that every time. With practice, you'll get your shape down to a reasonable amount as your "minimum" shape, and occasionally if you overdo it you'll curve a bit more in the direction you were intending to have the ball go anyways. Also, keep in mind that when I say shape your shots, I'm not telling you to be Bubba and have a 20 yard curve on every shot. Watching the pros, most of them don't curve it more than 5 yards it seems if they are trying to hit it straightish. Picking a shot shape and sticking with it until you can be confident that every shot will curve +- 5 yards at the outliers will eliminate the misses you're talking about. And it will give you something to focus on practicing. Instead of working half your time on draws and half your time on fades, you can now work 100% of the time on whatever shot you decide to implement.
  13. Either a block or a pull sounds like a double cross. Are you trying to always shape a shot or are you just trying to hit it straight all the time? Personally I try to have a little fade on all of my shots and occasionally I'll "screw up" and hit it dead straight which is something that I've planned for. If missing by 15 yards will put you in a creek, aiming away from the green even to take the creek out of play if you really hit it to such a penal area that often might be a change until you can eliminate that type of miss.
  14. I try to swing as sweeper-y as possible, and generally ball fairly forward in my stance (exactly like I would if I was on the tee box). I tend to tee it just enough so it's almost like hitting off the deck just so that I can keep the idea of hitting the ball with that club as close to each instance (fairway/tee shot) as possible. One thing I tend to struggle with for all of my clubs is trying to hit it too far. Generally my 3wood isn't a "I need to hit this 230" club, it's a "I want to get as close to the green as possible" club so trying to hit it too hard takes me away from my proper swing mechanics. When I think about the club as one that I want to hit a certain distance, I know my normal swing will get there and helps me keep my head steady and get my weight forward at the right time so that I'll have fairly steady contact.
  15. Even pros will double-cross themselves from time to time. If it happens every 40ish iron shots, you're looking at what, a little over once a round? What happens with your other misses with irons that account for the 4-5 other misses? Getting a one-way miss is a big deal, so accepting a bigger curve on some shots will be your problem in the interim. So occasionally I'll have a shot where it curves more than what I wanted or expected, but that's something that I can gameplan for. How much curve (and what type) do you have on your shots currently?
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