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  1. I like this book quite a lot. I am reading it again at the moment. Some of the stuff that is covered is similar to what people will have read in other books too, but what I found really useful is it focuses on a winning mindset. Lots of these sorts of books have stuff about what your focus should be on - small targets, no swing thoughts, that kind of thing. This book is a little different to me in that the techniques in it are designed to get yourself out of your way. I have a tendency to think poorly on the course and it makes my scores go in the wrong direction. Things like thinking I don't belong or thinking I should lose if I'm playing with someone who is better than me. Thing is I'm often wrong and they're not better than me and I wind up losing because I think poorly. Self fulfilling prophecy and all that. If that sounds like something that might affect you, I heartily recommend the book. It's also written in quite a folksy style. It's got a lot of stuff about who he learned this stuff from and their thoughts. His course management section for example is written from the perspective of a European Tour caddie. Kind of a "if you're thinking of doing something stupid, think about what x would say if he was caddying for you". I quite like that too.
  2. I have a few to claim. Hope that I'm able to claim all of them. I have had two and a half holes in one. The two were in 1998 about two months apart from each other. Both were in tournaments. The first one was in the British Universities Strokeplay at Headingley Golf Club. During my round I ran the circle on the par 3s. They went 4, 1, 3, 2. The 1 was with a 4 iron and wasn't a great swing but I saved it well with my hands. The second one was in a tournament on the south coast of England and was a very good shot. The half was on the pitch and putt course at Turnberry. I had an albatross once. I played four holes in even par with three bogeys. Wound up shooting 74 on a par 72 for the round. That was in about 2004 or 2005. I've had lots of eagles. Most recent one I remember was the 18th hole at the Creek Club on Long Island. Holed about a 45 footer across the green to win the money. Tournament winner - I have won a few things that I would put here. I won my club championship back home four times, although that was quite a while ago. Late 90s early 00s. I won the Northern Universities strokeplay back in phew 1998. I have won a few things recently, but they were all very small field events and I won a very big thing earlier this year, but that was a team event, so probably not quite in the spirit of things here. I shot a 69 round Bethpage Red from the blue tees in a tournament (one of the small field ones), so I'm claiming the I broke par one as well :) Lastly so far, I have bought and read Lowest Score Wins. Yikes!
  3. The (No) Sixes Challenge

    I am convinced that this challenge is harder to do if you know about it than if you don't. On my effort, I lost it on the 9th hole and every shot playing the hole it was in the back of my mind. My 6 foot putt for a 5 was much harder for thinking about how the challenge was gone if I missed it. And sure enough...
  4. The (No) Sixes Challenge

    Miserable fail at my attempt today. Started okay, then went off the rails a bit. 543435456 643737455 First six was a par five, laid up 50 yards away in two, chunked my pitch from a bare lie, left my 75 foot putt 6 feet short and missed Second six was a par four, middle of the green with my second shot. Flag was cut on the edge of a cliff and my approach putt from about 50 feet that I thought was uphill turned out not to be. Off the green, failed to get up and down The first seven was a doozy. Par 4, water left and I pushed my drive a little bit, a foot to the right of the fairway bunker, standing in the bunker with the ball about 3 feet above my feet. Tried standing in between and the ground collapsed, so I had to stand in the bunker. In thick rough too. Moved it about six inches. Slightly better lie, got it out in the fairway. Middle of the green (virtually dead center) and that left me about 50 feet away. Hit that about 4 feet past and left my 4 footer hanging on the top lip. Second seven was a par five. Good drive. 240 to the flag. Downwind. 3 wood was too much, so I hit 2 iron and fanned it right into the rough short right. Bare muddy lie (absolute horror show). Hit it pretty well, but it landed firmly and bounced over the green. Now I'm down on a run off area with a 6 foot bank in front of me and about 6 feet of green between the edge of the green and the hole. Failed to get it up there, back to my feet. Then got it to the edge of the green and missed that. By my count I think I made no tactical errors for my two 6s and two 7s. Just poor shots at the wrong moments and a couple of dreadful lies. Back to the drawing board.
  5. No doubt - and on your definitions, I agree. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I have a tournament tomorrow. I'm going to try not to make any sixes and I'm going to try to be a little more mindful of my post-shot routine. I'm going to aim at the middle of the green (unless it's enormous or I'm close to it) and I'm going to see what happens. I'll report back :)
  6. Those people have a short pre-shot routine, but it's very important to them... There are however people whose post-shot routine consists of handing their club to their caddie and nothing more. Those people are still able to play the No arguments here :p Fair enough re improving your ball striking. Again that's just something that happens in my head. I don't have to try to do this. Maybe you could tell me what you mean by pre-shot routine? When does it start and when does it end? I consider picking a club part of the pre-shot routine. I didn't think that was excessively broad. The only way to not pick a club is to do so at random.
  7. Long term view, if you pick a club at random to hit, you're not going to learn anything. If you pull out a wedge to hit on the tee of a 450 yard par four, because you didn't take a moment to think about what club to hit, you can have all the post-shot routine in the world and it won't do anything productive either long or short term. Your pre-shot routine includes determining how far you have to go, what trouble is out there, where you should aim it etc. Your post-shot routine is I think basically about deciding how well you decided on all of those things and if you didn't do a good job, why not? The post-shot routine doesn't really mean much if you don't have the pre-shot routine, so at best they are equally important. The point of your post-shot routine is to improve your pre-shot routine I think. If you take a short term view, then your pre-shot routine is vastly more important. You can certainly play without a post-shot routine. I don't think you could ever play without a pre-shot routine.
  8. I appreciate this is somewhat facetious, but does figuring out your yardage and what club to hit count as pre-shot routine? Because I would defy anyone to shoot a good score without even thinking about what club they are going to hit. Even if you're just looking at the flag and guessing what club it is, that's still as much of an effort as considering how the ball has reacted to the elements after the shot. Albeit it's going to be hard to shoot a decent score if you don't watch where your ball goes at all too.
  9. Indeed. I meant watching what happens after you hit it to include at the very least watching how it reacts to the wind and how it bounces. The other things you mention are things that I do naturally. I have a fairly inquisitive mind, so those things just sort of happen without me thinking explicitly about it. The most confusing thing I find happening to me sometimes is that my swing feels right and the contact feels good, but I look up and the ball is not going where I wanted it to. That can really throw me off. Similar example to yours is I played one day a couple of weeks ago and started pretty poorly. I kept hitting it left of where I was aiming it. As the round went on, I started aiming further to the right to allow for that to happen and still leave me in play. I would never aim it actually at trouble (note when I say aim, I mean my expected finishing point, so if I'm trying to hit a 10 yard fade, I'd line up 10 yards left and hopefully hit the 10 yard fade. I would say that I'm aiming it where I want it to finish), but I might aim it right quarter of the green if my miss that day has been to the left. Actually hit it close a couple of times like that and wound up shooting a better score than I should have given my game that day. I definitely agree that this is all important.
  10. If you have a ten foot putt to win the Masters, pre-shot routine is more important at that time. If you make it, your post-shot routine isn't likely to have much of an impact. At least not your immediate post-shot routine. Ive never really thought of watching what happens after you hit it as a post-shot routine. I have lately been working on my pre-shot routine though. For my putting I stand behind the ball and visualize it going in the hole. Then I take three steps and set in next to the ball. Two practice strokes looking at the hole. Then step in. One look. Hit it. I have this one pretty much down now and it helps me feel comfortable. Other shots I do my practice swings and then stand behind it. Visualize the ball going where I want it to go. Pick a spot to aim at. Then step in, point the club at my aim spot. Settle my feet in and take a look at the target and back at the ball and go. Goal is to get the routine to a point where it always takes me the same amount of time to do it no matter the circumstances. I certainly don't have a post-shot routine that is anything like as precise. Incidentally, if your post-shot routine includes everything like watching where it goes, how it bounces how far it went then pre-shot routine has to include getting a yardage, figuring wind, slope, elevation, club selection target selection etc. If that is the case then pre-shot is clearly more important. Otherwise you'll be hitting driver on a 140 yard par three. (I jest but I have walked onto a tee of a short par three with my driver because I was on autopilot).
  11. Golf's Mental Game Aspect

    100% agree with you. That's the point I'm trying to make.
  12. Golf's Mental Game Aspect

    I thought I already posted this, but I'm now not sure what happened. Anyway, I'll try again. In the first post in the thread, you said that shot selection, game planning and strategy was on the mental side. If the situation I described was 100% physical for some players, that means it was 0% mental. That means that there was no error in their shot selection, game planning or strategy. That means that the flag was the "correct" target for that player (even though he sometimes blocks it). I thought that was strange, so was asking for clarification.
  13. Golf's Mental Game Aspect

    So for those players for whom it's 100% mechanics, you're suggesting that the flag is the correct target?
  14. Golf's Mental Game Aspect

    Interesting viewpoint. I asked about this elsewhere, but I'm not sure that I got an answer, so I'm going to ask it in a different way. Let's suppose that a player is playing the Players Championship. They are tied for the lead after 16 holes on Sunday. They take dead aim at the flag on 17 - the back right one. They push their shot 15 feet right of the flag and it goes in the water. That's basically two shots wasted right there. Would you say that was a mental error or a physical error? If it was a bit of both, what proportion would you say it was? Personally I would say that was about 80% on the mental side and 20% on the physical side. He's an idiot for aiming at that flag, but he also missed his target, so it's a little of both. Part of the reason that I'm surprised about the 5% for the mental side is I've been reading another thread on here (it's long, so I'm working through it slowly) about aiming at the middle of the green and not the flag from outside 100 yards. It seems like a lot of people are pretty foolish about where they aim. That's a mental issue and I'm surprised that it only contributes 1 shot in 20 shots difference.
  15. Golf's Mental Game Aspect

    That's a fair point although I think the effort spent on it is a different point from the difference in scores between players. I think LSW is a great resource because I think that good strategy has a significant impact on your scores. Making poor choices or taking too much risk, which a lot of people do, will add quite a bit to your score. It's also easy to implement, so if you want to knock three shots off your average score and you have poor strategy, I think it would be far more productive to focus on fixing that mental side of things than trying to improve your swing. It won't turn you into Dustin Johnson and he will still beat you, but your scores will be better.