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  1. The Buck Club

    On a Golf.com podcast about a year ago, he said that the timeframe was as soon as two years out... but I haven't seen much of an update (although admittedly my only reference point is Twitter) so I suspect that that timeframe was a bit ambitious. For what it's worth, I find it really interesting listening to Zac talk about his plans for the club - I haven't heard any other player on the Tour quite so passionate about golf course architecture. I hope it does come to fruition and that (via Twitter, if nothing else) we get a good view of the step-by-step of building a course from scratch.
  2. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    My view is that, if Lexi intentionally cheated, then 4 strokes would indeed have been a lenient penalty (especially, as noted by others, that Simon Dyson got a ban for a similar infraction on the European Tour). However, on the other hand, if she accidentally misplaced her marker then, in my opinion, even 2 shots is harsh... My real issue with the armchair rules officials is the role they can play in tournaments - whether they call in one day or the next may determine the outcome of a tournament (as it did with Lexi). I prefer the determination of a tournament winner to be down to skill, not luck. Now that's a notion I can fully get behind! Then the armchair rules officials really need to up their game...
  3. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    Of course I understand that Lexi broke two rules in misplacing (or moving, or however you wish to describe it) one marker on one hole, once and signing her card as if she had not (or perhaps even thinking that she had not). It is clear that under the rules of golf, it is deemed to be two actions. However, my understanding of this thread is that it is for forum users to debate what they believe the rules "should" be. I don't agree with the characterisation as two actions - as I alluded to before I believe that it is an unnecessary second layer of penalty for a single act. I'm clearly not alone in this, or else there would have been no "uproar" when Lexi was penalised like she was...
  4. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    I disagree that the signing of an incorrect scorecard is a "new action" - it is inextricably linked to the first. I would prefer that if any two players in the tournament commit the same breach then, regardless of which hole it is on/what time of day the shots are hit/the player being someone who is on TV more or less (which is essentially down to pure luck and nothing to do with a difference in skill between the players), the penalty is the same. Who determines what is/is not visible to the naked eye? I'm assuming that, for example for Lexi Thompson, even though nobody on the ground saw it with their naked eye it was deemed a significant enough move that someone should have been able to see it with their naked eye? I'm still on the fence - I think ambiguity in the rules is a poor move, but sympathise with people whose breaches were so slight (or were completely accidental) that the only person who noticed was watching slow-motion replays on a 6 foot TV...
  5. New Rules for Video Call-Ins

    When I first opened this thread, I was of the opinion that it was a good thing to remove call-in referees and the wrong card 2 shot penalties... but I am now not so sure. Although I agree that players should know and abide by the rules at all time, I also believe that golf (and, for that matter, all sports) requires a level playing field for all competitors at any given event. Also, penalties should be equally applied to all breaches of the same rule, i.e. if one player gets 2 shots for a misplaced marker and another player gets a 4 shot penalty for the same action, that does not sit well with me. However, I do not see how the old rules were conducive to this and perhaps the ban is a good thing, because (and apologies if these have been adequately addressed elsewhere, it is tricky trying to keep track of a 13 page discussion and work simultaneously...): allowing call-in referees/retrospective penalties disproportionately disadvantages certain golfers, over others. Those that are: (i) on TV the most; or (ii) out before live TV coverage begins (i.e. shown on the TV after they have finished their round and signed their card), are far more likely to be: (i) picked up for a minor/subconscious breach; and (ii) penalised an extra 2 shots because they have already signed their card and unable to "benefit" from the call-in referee communicating the breach to an on-ground official and correcting the scorecard during the round. I suspect that infractions similar to Lexi Thompson's are actually incredibly common, and indeed that it is almost impossible to pick up and put down a ball in exactly the same place, so when we are necessarily getting into a spectrum of "close enough" to "too far away" then it seems unfair that popular golfers will be more likely to be labelled as cheats. a few years back in a European Tour event (as far as I remember) Jaidee escaped a 2 shot penalty because the official in his group was told (by a commentator, so not exactly a call-in referee but also an outsider) that he was actually entitled to relief via a local rule (from memory I think it was from a floodlight) and, because he had not holed out, he was allowed to go back and play half the hole again - another competitor later in the day was in the same spot but the knowledgeable commentator was on a different part of the course so the player was ultimately penalised for signing an incorrect card. Although I imagine that many will say that both competitors should have known the rules (with which I agree), I also do not believe that players should get different treatment in the same situation. if call-in referees become the norm (which, I admit, is perhaps unlikely but with more coverage and bigger, more accurate HD televisions there is every possibility that smaller infractions may be picked up) then do players start delaying the signing of their cards until they are sure that they have not breached a rule (given that, in some cases at least, breaches are purely accidental or missed by the player)? Is there a time limit for signing a card after completion of the round? Do we not run the risk of players sitting for hours in the signing tent while one of their friends watches slow-mo replays to ensure there has been no breach? Indeed, if the arbitrary time limit for call-in referees is the end of the tournament, might we reach the situation where players only sign one card at the end of their four rounds (as opposed to after each round) to reduce their chances of being picked up breaching a rule? also, do we run the risk of more players "seeking a ruling" from an official where they are even in the slightest doubt about the rules. I recall Poulter taking ages over a ruling at a tournament this season, and getting stick for it, but if there is any uncertainty then players are incentivised to delay. Again, knowing all of the rules all of the time solves everything and the most reasonable answer may be that, given that these guys are paid a fortune to play golf they should know the rules, but I think in practice the rules have to be equally applied to all of the field and it irks me when I do not perceive that to have taken place (like where Jordan Spieth was sent out to complete his second round of the 2015 Open when other players had been called off in far easier conditions, but don't get me started on that...).
  6. Was this a legal eagle

    https://www.randa.org/RulesEquipment/Rules/QuickGuide/Ball-at-Rest-Moved My understanding is that your ball should have been replaced, to the fringe of the green, and you should have putted from there.
  7. Dress Codes: Good or Bad for the Game

    I have ignored the fact that there are dress codes "virtually everywhere in life" because I do not see the relevance; the discussion is whether they are good for the game of golf... and yes, I am aware that my view is in the (pretty small) minority but that alone is not going to dissuade me.
  8. Dress Codes: Good or Bad for the Game

    I'm influenced by appearances in certain situations... but I'm pretty confident that I'm not positively influenced to attend/spend a course because of the dress sense (which, ironically, frequently doesn't improve simply by complying with a dress code - some of the unfortunate sunglasses/visor/polo shirt/loud trouser/white sock combinations are amongst the worst outfits I have ever seen, anywhere) of its players. It really is as simple as that. Your 15 years' of experience certainly trumps my anecdotal views/opinions! It would be interesting (to me, at least, in my geeky obsession with the sustainability of golf) to see how such a course would be impacted by implementing a dress code. This popped up on my Twitter feed over the weekend, from one of the UK golf websites; I thought it was an interesting interview with someone far more knowledgeable than me: https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/denis-pugh-golf-dress-codes/
  9. Dress Codes: Good or Bad for the Game

    I feel like we are going around in circles, so to avoid boring the forum's readers I will keep this short. My opinions are that: Golf etiquette is far more important than golf attire; In answer to the question, on the balance I believe that restricting golfers to a dress code puts off more people than it pleases, therefore overall is bad for the game of golf; I have never knowingly chosen a golf course because of the way people dress there, but have avoided golf courses because of their strict dress code; To take away someone's right, i.e. to choose what to wear on a golf course, should require some evidence that the restriction is likely to have a positive impact; and Studies that show that school children behave better in schools that have a school uniform is not, in my view, sufficient evidence to justify dress codes on golf courses. I don't think that anyone is advocating the flaunting of a dress code that is in place (and some, like me, dress smartly on the golf course even where there is no dress code - but still believe that someone being entitled to wear what he or she likes to is good for the game...), I think people are just hypothesising about whether or not the existence of dress codes is likely to be good or bad for the game of golf. There is no definitive answer, so the debate will likely go on a while (and evolve as norms shift)...
  10. Dress Codes: Good or Bad for the Game

    I'm well aware of what marketing is (and am as guilty as anyone at being "targeted" and ending up buying a Nike polo shirt for a crazy amount because I see Rory wearing it on a golf course, but that's another story...) but have never been swayed by the existence of a dress code or by what others are wearing on a golf course. In my 28 years of golf club membership nothing anyone has worn has ever offended me, nor has anyone's great style convinced me to part with my cash at their course, but on a number of occasions I have not spent money that I wanted to because I (or someone I was with) fell foul of a pedantic or arbitrary rule. To clarify, my experiences are limited to golf courses in Scotland, Portugal and the UAE, but I would imagine that most golfers will have a similar story to tell. But you did use those same studies to justify why dress codes are good for the game of golf, so perhaps it is not just me that sees thing that aren't there... At least we all seem to agree that behaviour is far more important than attire on the golf course! I think we will have to agree to disagree on the dress code, though. I'm yet to see any evidence that people playing on courses with dress codes (i) behave better; and (ii) do so because of the dress code that the course has. I am open to being convinced. Until that day, I hope that dress codes continue to be relaxed because, in my opinion, I think such a move will attract more players than it will put off (which is the original question posed in this topic)...
  11. Dress Codes: Good or Bad for the Game

    I apologise, I misinterpreted your above post as meaning dress codes were significant to you. If you were referring to the business side of golf courses, that would certainly be something interesting to read into, i.e. whether profits, participation, prestige etc. are positively or negatively impacted by relaxing dress codes. I've never seen anything to suggest that a relaxed dress code was detrimental to a golf club, but am more than happy to be educated/corrected. Especially as, from my personal experience (me alone; I am not claiming to know the ins and outs of every golf course on the planet...), I have seen the opposite - in St Andrews, for example, all of the private golf clubhouses have had to make changes to increase accessibility (i.e. no need for a jacket, denims allowed, soft spikes allowed) as they were losing so much business to the Links Trust clubhouses that allowed every man and his dog to come in for a pint and a pie. Respectfully, I do not buy that there are multiple studies that show that: (i) behaviour on golf courses is better at golf courses that have dress codes; and (ii) the improvement in behavioural standards at those golf courses is down to the fact that there is a dress code. The studies that you allude to, i.e. those about school children, are not a fair comparison. A child that is obligated to attend school is in a completely different situation to anyone choosing which golf course to play at. Children are often encouraged to wear a uniform so that they are not a target for bullies, so that rich and poor are indistinguishable, to teach discipline etc. - I doubt any golf course with a dress code with the same aim. The analogy with bowling is more apt, but importantly my understanding is that their shoe rule is for the protection of the flooring - beyond that you're free to wear jeans, or shorts, or any other item that may or may not improve your bowling action. It is up to the bowler. Although I personally always wear over-priced Footjoy polo shirts and wouldn't dream of swinging a club in jeans, I respect other golfers enough to think they deserve the autonomy to wear what they please. Many golf traditions have fallen away, I hope dress codes will be next...
  12. Dress Codes: Good or Bad for the Game

    Do you have these studies to hand? I am genuinely intrigued, as I have never seen such a correlation; some of the most unpleasant characters I have ever had the misfortune of being paired up with have been the best dressed, and vice versa. I'm also curious as to why a dress code is so significant to you? Whilst I personally adhere to them 99.9% of the time, I find it bizarre that any adult would care what another was wearing (off the top of my head, the only thing that could be worn on a golf course that I would genuinely object to would be a racist slogan, or something of that ilk).
  13. Dress Codes: Good or Bad for the Game

    I'm not really sure why, but having dress codes for golf courses (both for professionals (see the thread elsewhere about the recent LPGA dress code) and amateurs) annoys me hugely. I fail to see why people shouldn't be free to dress as they please - it is, after all, their score that will be negatively impacted if they choose to wear something that inhibits their swing. It does not bother me at all if I see others wearing jeans, tee shirts, no socks, no belt etc. on the golf course. I'm just happy to see people out enjoying themselves and enjoying the game. What someone else wears impacts me far less than them talking on their mobile phone, failing to repair divots, rake bunkers etc. (and, contrary to some of the comments above, I fail to see any correlation between players in non-traditional dress and poor etiquette). I was recently knocked back from using a driving range in Dubai because I wore my v-neck jumper with a white tee shirt underneath, as opposed to a collared shirt. Even for the driving range they had a steadfast "collar" rule, regardless of the fact I looked (even if I say so myself) relatively smart overall. Needless to say, I haven't been back since and likely won't, as there are plenty of alternative ranges. I have worn the exact same combination on the Old Course, and nobody batted an eyelid because people were, rightly, concentrating on enjoying themselves...
  14. LPGA To Enforce more Strict Dress Code

    And therein lies my hypocrisy... I am all for sponsors having the power to use their invites as they see fit; but I feel uncomfortable with sponsors insisting on the terms of the dress code. It is an arbitrary lie that I have drawn, for sure, but I'm sticking with it I thought that the whole point of a skort was that it couldn't be too short (excuse the pun...) because it provided cover that a skirt does not! Surely it is only a matter of time until the poor skort will become superfluous
  15. LPGA To Enforce more Strict Dress Code

    I guess that's the power that sponsors have on golf - whatever they say goes! A bit like Stephen Curry's recent call up to the Web.com Tour, these new rules on dress seem to have less to do with objective reason or performance or even tradition... and more to do with following the requests of the guys paying the bills. I'm not saying that is wrong (as stated above, sponsorship can do wonderful things for players' games and the game of golf in general) but it is slightly sad, in my view.

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