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Fairway Woods - Callaway & face setup
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
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Fairway Woods - Callaway & face setup
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
The alpha 816 looks interesting. Not a small head with some forgiveness. Not a closed face (adjustable) -
What was their high end line prior to the Epic? Seems like they have a lot of different lines out there (steelhead, x, etc...) i have a diablo octane, but it sets up slightly closed, and I like my clubs to set up neutral. I also have a ft iz driver l that sets up slightly closed (seems to be a callaway thing). I know their "tour" model sets up more neutral, but I don't think I want the tour model with the smaller head etc.... also, if anybody has any recommendations of a good fairway wood from the past few yearsthat does not set up closed I appreciate it. I like to buy them used rather than paying $200 for a new one. The current 3W I am hitting is a Nike VR pro project x 5.5 shaft and I love it. However the very top of the face just cracked. I can't seem to find too many of these models around online anywhere. thanks for the help.
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Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
So I got one and am using it on wedges I don't use. I'm not sure I like it 1. For the most part just using it to clean grooves it is nice. But that's without using it as a decide to actually sharpen anything. And it isn't really better than the groove tool pencil looking thing 2. When I apply pressure to it to make actually remove material I don't think I like what it does to the club. -
Exactly probably brandel Chamblee and his fan club. Just looking for issues that don't exist
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Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
The grooves in third picture are not wider than in the first picture. I traced both of them from the same original. It is just shallower so it appears wider. (Maybe my tracing is bad?) so as long as the grooves are within the conforming width and depth, then it's fine. The removing of material doesn't make it inherently wrong. -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
THen go away. You haven't added anything to the conversation anyway. You won't be missed. THanks for the feedback Phil -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
Here is my artistic rendering. If the sharpener isn't wider, then it just goes deeper, so it wouldn't be illegal. Right. You remove material, like sharpening a knife. But you don't necessarily make it wider or nonconforming. -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
Here is the above picture. I would disagree that #3 is necessarily what would happen with a sharpener. Why would it have to widen? Why wouldn't it just get deeper to again look like picture #1? It looks like the groove sharpeners have different sized heads so that you don't have to use one that will widen the club. In the picture it looks like the person is assuming using a wide tool that will widen the grooves and again, I'm not talking about aggressively reconfiguring the grooves. Just a little maintenance to clean them out a bit. And removing some material is not illegal -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
Is there a device available to measure from it is conforming? I have a few extra wedges I wouldn't mind one practicing on before fixing the ones I actually use. If it is worn down then it is not at the maximum depth. So cutting it deeper wouldn't necessarily keep it illegal -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
Phil stop making up rules. You said that removing material will make a club non conforming. PLease find the rule that says that. You can't because there isn't one. You just made it up. You make up rules. anyway, the groove sharpeners appear to have different sizes so if you are just using he small one and it adds a little depth where it was otherwise down, that is totally fine. A person doesn't have to use a groove sharpener to aggressively change the dimensions of their grooves. Also, I am way more concerned about damaging the club in term of ripping off the chrome or whatever than I am about whether somebody like Phil is making up rules and calling people cheater even though he clearly doesn't know the rules. -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
The rule is that grooves cannot go past a certain size. So if you use a sharpener and don't exceed the size, then it's not a violation. So just don't overdo it and you should be fine. He rules do not say that you cannot remove material or that you cannot sharpen your grooves. The people hijaking this thread obviously have a different idea of why a person would us a groove sharpener Just be careful not to be too aggressive when making passes over the grooves. It is worth noting that a groove sharpener works by grinding out some of the metal on the club face. USGA rules on grooves state that grooves must be no more than 0.035 inches wide, 0.022 inches deep. If you play competitively, using a groove sharpener could make your clubs non-conforming and illegal for competition. So be careful not to overdo it. -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
You misquoted the rules. You don't know the rules. Stop making up rules. Removal of material does not in and of itself make a club nonconforming. You are wrong. I hope you don't misquote rules to people in the proshop where you work. You are obviously passionate about this because you have probably lost arguments on this issue in the past. Just admit you were wrong and stop hijacking what was intenddd to be a constructive thread. -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
BUt this is false. You are allowed to remove material so long as the club conforms to the rules. So you don't know the rule so you call people cheaters. If a club is worn down it can be sharpened up. That is 100% legal. Now there is a risk you could be too aggressive and it would go too deep. So instead of lying about the rules and falsely accusing people of cheating, try posting something constructive like ways to measure thegrooves so one doesn't go too far or something like that. Growing up a worked in a pro shop. The best player at the course used to have an old R90 edge with the brown shaft. He used to joke that it was older than us and he just would get the grooves sharpened every year. I should call him up the course and demand that all his club championship tags on the plaques be removed because somebody who doesn't know the rules thinks he is a cheater. -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
No, the topic is groove sharpeners and which ones are best. I started the thread and that is what I asked. Then some people hopped in and noted that there is a very slim chance that if you aggressively sharpen your grooves you could make your club not conform so you have to go buy new wedges every year. anyway, there Is nothing wrong with keeping the same wedge for a long time and having the grooves sharpened to what they were when you bought the club. the rule is posted just above. And the topic for this thread is how is the best way to out doing it, not accusing people who get their clubs refreshed from time to time of being cheaters. Back at my old club in the northeast there was a custom golf shop down the road and people would regularly get their grooves sharpened. Never once heard them called cheaters. I think you are missing the point of groove sharpening. to restore the club to what it was when new, not to make them different. But go ahead and think that anybody who doesn't buy new clubs every year either hasn't to pay with dull grooves or they are a cheater if that makes you feel better. Now if anyone has had advice on how to best use a groove sharpener to make sure that you aren't being too aggressive, that would be on topic. Or advice as to the best tools available, that would be on topic. But it's not cheating if you give you right clubs some tender loving care once in a while. -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
So if you don't aggressively sharpen, then your grooves are likely to conform. So no issue. So let's stop derailing this conversation about some red herring and focus on the topic -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
Ok, so back on topic: which ones are good and any advice on using them? most of us already knew that getting your grooves sharpened is perfectly acceptable before some people hijacked the thread to tell us we are cheating if we don't just buy new clubs. I mean mark calcavecchia used the same irons for 20 years, and it is not uncommon for people to have wedges for more than just two seasons. So can we have a discussion on the topic and not about whether some people think that buying new clubs is the only acceptable thing to do? -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
So the pencil one looks good, and conforms to usga regulations (so none of us need to lie to ourselves about our equipment ). But they also have this tic toc groove sharpener (which also conforms to the rules, which is important). Wondering which is better -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
Yes. It appears that if you are not overly aggressive then it is perfectly legal. The worry about illegal grooves is as legitimate as worrying about a shaft of a club bending because you keep your clubs in the trunk of the car and thus not playing with a conforming club. I really like this guy's style. Why should we struggle with battered caved in grooves? My game deserves better. -
Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
maybe if brandel Chamblee got his grooves sharpened he would have made more than one cut in a major championship in his career? anyway, it appears the illegality issue is more of a red herring than anything else. So back on topic: how do they work in sharpening your grooves compared to taking them to the local shop to do it? -
For the freaking golf channel? yeah, I will disagree its like the food channel. They don't need to make up stories to drive viewership. And they don't have any competition to need controversies either. Just show golf and people are either going to watch or not, without regard to whether any controversies taking place.
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Bogey Golfers Only (Index 16-22) / Breaking 90 Topic
TropicalSandTrap replied to rkim291968's topic in Golf Talk
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I guess I disagree with the idea that golf channel viewership is driven by whether brandel Chamblee is making up fake new. Golf channel has a pretty specific niche audience. This isn't Fox News competing with MSNBC.
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Illegally sharpen your wedges?
TropicalSandTrap replied to ScottL's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
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Groove Sharpener
TropicalSandTrap replied to TropicalSandTrap's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
Do you think that bringing your clubs to a professional custom club fitter and getting them sharpened will also render your clubs illegal. next time I am qualifying for the us am I will invest in a new set of wedges. Until then I am going to play with a clear conscious if I am using a tool that is usga regulation to freshen up my wedges that I like a lot instead of blowing hundreds on a new set just so that somebody on a message board doesn't think I am playing with illegal clubs. Until then I am not going to aggressivley sharpen them to a point where they would be "illegal" so I'm not concerned about that issue. I just want to know if the tools work. (One person said they don't work too well, and wear down after a few uses, which seems to contradict the idea of making them too sharp) And thank you for the link to the other thread. I didn't see that when looking prior to posting. And back on topic: it appears that it is pretty hard to go to the point of making the club illegal, so that is not really a concern. So from a pure use stance, anybody have any luck with these?