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reidsou

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  1. Yes, my mind is made up. See my original post:
  2. Thanks for the thoughts. Even though off season for handicap posting, the rounds I'm referring to are still tournaments with money prizes. The reason I care about this is the precedent for upholding USGA rules. Handicap season or not. Also, in this case, we would be avoiding bad lies in bunkers. But bad lies are the reason bunkers exist! (IMO) So it seems completely unnecessary and counter to the spirit of the game. At our club we have a history of verbal rules where it depends on who you ask what the rule is, and accompanying debates about what the rule *should* be. We're trying to change that. An important tool is to adhere as closely as possible to the written rules and USGA guidance. Other examples: we have a temporary green "automatic two putt" rule. We allow preferred lies in the general area instead of just on fairways. We have off-the-cuff player decisions about what is GUR. Players skip penalty drops on abnormal course conditions and drop outside the relief area. Players take penalty area relief for balls that may be lost outside of a penalty area.
  3. I have a member who wants our club to adopt a local rule during off season events to allow "lift, rake, and place" in bunkers. Kind of "winter rules for bunkers". I'm against this because it is not an authorized local rule (Committee Procedures section 8). Violates rules 1.1 and 8.1. I would prefer to avoid precedents of disregarding USGA rules, even in the off season. Plus, I don't see why we should make it easier to play out of bunkers - they are a hazard. I would like to give the member an authoritative convincing answer. Already tried to get some help from the USGA - asked about their past experience with considering and rejecting this local rule request and/or to explain their perspective on why improving your lie in a bunker is fundamentally different than improving your lie in the fairway (allowed under model local rule E-3). They did not answer, just said it is not allowed. Thoughts on what I can say to this member?
  4. See the "Summary of Changes" PDF available here: https://wagolf.org/keep-score/handicap-information/whs/#section-169888
  5. There's special rules in 2019 for a ball in the teeing area. For example, if you swing and miss the ball is in play, but you can still'retee it. See rule 6.2.
  6. This is a big change for this year. The term "relief area" is new. Also, it is now much easier under the rules to drop twice and then get to place the ball.
  7. I believe this statement is incorrect (see Appendix F quote below). It also seems to imply that it is the player’s responsibility to determine the par of each hole for purposes of handicap posting. If so, this is contradicted several places in the 2020 Rules of Handicapping. Definition of par: “The score that a scratch player would generally be expected to achieve on a hole under normal course and weather conditions, allowing for two strokes on the putting green (see Appendix F). The Authorized Association or, at the discretion of the National Association, the golf club is responsible for adjudicating par (see Appendix A).” [emphasis added] From Appendix A: "Apply and/or communicate the stipulated procedures for establishing par...” is a listed responsibility for everyone except the player. Also from Appendix A, the Golf Club/Handicap committee is responsible for “Display a Course Handicap and Playing Handicap adjustment table for each set of tees, for players’ reference.” Par is part of the calculations of Course Handicap and Playing Handicap. From Appendix E: “The Rules of Golf state: “The Committee is responsible for publishing on the scorecard or somewhere else that is visible (for example, near the first tee) the order of holes at which handicap strokes are to be given or received. (See Rules of Golf, Committee Procedures, Rule 5I (4)). It is recommended that a stroke index allocation be applied over 18-holes, split into six triads with each hole ranked on its playing difficulty relative to par.” So assignment of par is implied here also. From Appendix F: “It is important that an accurate par be established for each hole on a golf course for both men and women, and these values should be printed alongside each hole on the scorecard.” (Explicitly states that the scorecards cannot “say whatever they want.”)
  8. Thanks for clarifying. Totally agree. It's confusing though. I read through "Appendix F: Establishing Par", that you cited. It lists the par yardages as "recommended guidelines". Also rule 4.1a states that par and stroke index are found on the scorecard and mentions responsibility for "adjudicating par" in the interpretation. See pages 42 & 43. Both rule 4.1a and Appendix F reference the scorecard. Including, "an accurate par... should be printed on the scorecard." (Here "should" is stronger than "recommended guideline".) Therefore, in my opinion, the player is responsible for using par as shown on the scorecard. Players should not override the scorecard with yardage guidelines.
  9. I'm in western Washington. Our active season begins again on March 1st, but members play all year. Would like to give them a heads up about what will be different in the new handicap revision they receive on January 1. You are probably right that most won't care though.
  10. FYI. This is slightly incorrect. Point #3 should read: 3. Anyone with 20 scores will receive their first Low Handicap Index, which will be the same as their first WHS Index. Also, regarding point #4, there will be "C" (competition) scores. Status as a C score will not affect index calculation, but is available for committee reference. Unclear whether "T" scores will become "C" scores.
  11. Yes, thanks. That is information I'm aware of. I'm trying to put together a specific list of what our members will see different in the January 1st handicap revision. Everything that I have found is about how the WHS will work going forward, nothing about the specifics of the conversion from the current system. There is room for confusion. For example, one post on another forum said that old scores will be processed for Exception Score Reduction (ESR). The reply from the USGA said that is not the case.
  12. For our members, I'm trying to find a document that describes how each player's scoring record will be processed to produce their first WHS revision on January 1st. Corresponded with the USGA who said there isn't one. Here's what I've pieced together about what our members will see different on WHS day one: 1. Index will be the average of the best 8 of 20 differentials instead of the best 10 times 0.96. (Or if they have less than 20 scores, see the WHS rules.) 2. If the player's index was at the maximum index it will likely increase, sometimes significantly. The new maximum is 54.0. 3. They will receive the new "Low Handicap Index" - their lowest index during the previous 365 day period. 4. Their tournament scoring record will be dropped and past scores will no longer be designated as tournament ("T"). Best two tournament scores will not be part of the revision. 5. If their handicap Index was, as of the transition to WHS, Reduced (shown by an "R") by exceptional tournament scores, their index will likely increase because the reduction will no longer be applied.
  13. I highly recommend the USGA rules quizzes to learn the rules - available through the rules app or web site. There are three levels - basic, intermediate, and advanced. The questions are random. Try taking the Basic 10 question quiz until you get 10 out of 10 right! I look up the rules that I got wrong to learn more.
  14. This is where the power of TST comes into play!
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