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  1. There's special rules in 2019 for a ball in the teeing area. For example, if you swing and miss the ball is in play, but you can still'retee it. See rule 6.2.
  2. This is a big change for this year. The term "relief area" is new. Also, it is now much easier under the rules to drop twice and then get to place the ball.
  3. I believe this statement is incorrect (see Appendix F quote below). It also seems to imply that it is the player’s responsibility to determine the par of each hole for purposes of handicap posting. If so, this is contradicted several places in the 2020 Rules of Handicapping. Definition of par: “The score that a scratch player would generally be expected to achieve on a hole under normal course and weather conditions, allowing for two strokes on the putting green (see Appendix F). The Authorized Association or, at the discretion of the National Association, the golf club is responsible for adjudicating par (see Appendix A).” [emphasis added] From Appendix A: "Apply and/or communicate the stipulated procedures for establishing par...” is a listed responsibility for everyone except the player. Also from Appendix A, the Golf Club/Handicap committee is responsible for “Display a Course Handicap and Playing Handicap adjustment table for each set of tees, for players’ reference.” Par is part of the calculations of Course Handicap and Playing Handicap. From Appendix E: “The Rules of Golf state: “The Committee is responsible for publishing on the scorecard or somewhere else that is visible (for example, near the first tee) the order of holes at which handicap strokes are to be given or received. (See Rules of Golf, Committee Procedures, Rule 5I (4)). It is recommended that a stroke index allocation be applied over 18-holes, split into six triads with each hole ranked on its playing difficulty relative to par.” So assignment of par is implied here also. From Appendix F: “It is important that an accurate par be established for each hole on a golf course for both men and women, and these values should be printed alongside each hole on the scorecard.” (Explicitly states that the scorecards cannot “say whatever they want.”)
  4. Thanks for clarifying. Totally agree. It's confusing though. I read through "Appendix F: Establishing Par", that you cited. It lists the par yardages as "recommended guidelines". Also rule 4.1a states that par and stroke index are found on the scorecard and mentions responsibility for "adjudicating par" in the interpretation. See pages 42 & 43. Both rule 4.1a and Appendix F reference the scorecard. Including, "an accurate par... should be printed on the scorecard." (Here "should" is stronger than "recommended guideline".) Therefore, in my opinion, the player is responsible for using par as shown on the scorecard. Players should not override the scorecard with yardage guidelines.
  5. I'm in western Washington. Our active season begins again on March 1st, but members play all year. Would like to give them a heads up about what will be different in the new handicap revision they receive on January 1. You are probably right that most won't care though.
  6. FYI. This is slightly incorrect. Point #3 should read: 3. Anyone with 20 scores will receive their first Low Handicap Index, which will be the same as their first WHS Index. Also, regarding point #4, there will be "C" (competition) scores. Status as a C score will not affect index calculation, but is available for committee reference. Unclear whether "T" scores will become "C" scores.
  7. Yes, thanks. That is information I'm aware of. I'm trying to put together a specific list of what our members will see different in the January 1st handicap revision. Everything that I have found is about how the WHS will work going forward, nothing about the specifics of the conversion from the current system. There is room for confusion. For example, one post on another forum said that old scores will be processed for Exception Score Reduction (ESR). The reply from the USGA said that is not the case.
  8. For our members, I'm trying to find a document that describes how each player's scoring record will be processed to produce their first WHS revision on January 1st. Corresponded with the USGA who said there isn't one. Here's what I've pieced together about what our members will see different on WHS day one: 1. Index will be the average of the best 8 of 20 differentials instead of the best 10 times 0.96. (Or if they have less than 20 scores, see the WHS rules.) 2. If the player's index was at the maximum index it will likely increase, sometimes significantly. The new maximum is 54.0. 3. They will receive the new "Low Handicap Index" - their lowest index during the previous 365 day period. 4. Their tournament scoring record will be dropped and past scores will no longer be designated as tournament ("T"). Best two tournament scores will not be part of the revision. 5. If their handicap Index was, as of the transition to WHS, Reduced (shown by an "R") by exceptional tournament scores, their index will likely increase because the reduction will no longer be applied.
  9. I highly recommend the USGA rules quizzes to learn the rules - available through the rules app or web site. There are three levels - basic, intermediate, and advanced. The questions are random. Try taking the Basic 10 question quiz until you get 10 out of 10 right! I look up the rules that I got wrong to learn more.
  10. Thanks for the response. Do you know what the algorithm is?
  11. Yes, there is a new Playing Conditions Calculation (PCC) that is performed automatically every day based on scores posted that day for the course played. There is no attempt to look at the weather, only at scores. An assumption is made that higher than normal average scores were caused by adverse conditions - be it weather, course conditions, pin placement, etc. See Playing Conditions Calculation at WHS.com for more. Also rule 5.6 in the recently published 2020 "Rule of Handicapping" available on the USGA web site.
  12. The 2020 "Rules of Handicapping" PDF is now available on the USGA web site. Does anyone have details behind the WHS PCC calculation? Described in the 2020 Rules of Handicapping on page 55 as: Calculate the expected score for each eligible player. Calculate the expected standard deviation of Score Differentials at the golf course, incorporating all applicable Slope Ratings. Establish how many players scored better or worse than expected on the day. The proportion of players submitting a score equal to, better than or worse than their expected scoring range determines whether a PCC adjustment is required. If an adjustment is required, determine how much harder or easier the golf course played that day. Based on these calculations, determine any final PCC adjustment required for play on that day. How are these various calculations performed? I.e. what is the "expected score", etc.?
  13. See my original post, it was never a question about "what is the correct procedure?" I'm trying to find video of a player, preferably a well known professional, following correct procedure and dropping on a cart path. That I can show disbelieving club members, who frequently break this rule in tournaments. Thought TST community might know of one... thanks in advance!
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