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  1. The match of the Century is mostly meaningless though, not much more than a silly season event. As for the rest I disagree, both players played great golf in basically the same time frame and Jones was superior in the events they both attended. In the 13 majors they both played Jones got the better of Hagen 10 times and won 5 while Hagen never won an Open with Jones in the field. That's fairly dominant in my eyes. Also going back to the US Open importance, Jones won 4 vs Hagen's 2. I can see justifying ranking Hagen over Jones on the strength of his 45 total tour wins, but that seems a bit unfair because Jones only played a handful of events. Still, Hagen was incredible. He won 24% of his events (45/190) by the time of his last win age 43. Definitely comparable to Hogan if we assume that they competed in a similar level of competition.
  2. Indeed. I've tried in the past to make a case for both Byron and Snead over Hogan, but I don't think it's a strong enough argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, the US Open was huge back in the day by far the most important tournament in US golf up until maybe 1960 When the Masters gained a ton of traction. Even ignoring the accident, Ben Hogan won 25% of his events up until age 40 which is something nobody has done since outside of Tiger Woods. Best win percentages up to age 43 post-Bobby Jones 1. Ben Hogan (43) 1932-1957 - 63 wins in 262 events (24.05%) 2. Tiger Woods (43) 1996-2019 - 81 wins in 338 events (23.96%) 3. Sam Snead (43) 1931-1956 - 75 wins in 341 events (21.99%) 4. Byron Nelson (43) 1933-1955 - 52 wins in 261 events (19.92%) 5. Jack Nicklaus (43) 1961-1983 - 71 wins in 429 events (16.55%) 6. Arnold Palmer (43) 1954-1972 - 61 wins in 465 events (13.02%) 7. Billy Casper (43) 1954-1975 - 51 wins in 464 events (10.99%) 8. Phil Mickelson (43) 1991-2013 - 42 wins in 477 events (8.81%) 9. Vijay Singh (43) 1992-2006 - 29 wins in 360 events (8.06%) 10. Tom Watson (43) 1971-1993 - 37 wins in 497 events (7.44%) The only problem is Jones trounced Hagen in actual tournament play. And nobody is willing to give Jones credit anymore. In a stretch of 9 US Opens Jones finished won 4 and finished 2nd 4 more times! Jones winning percentage in the majors up to 1930 actually goes up if you exclude his amateur wins to a ludicrous 7/15 wins.
  3. Another vote for Ben Hogan here. The dude had a stretch were he played in 5 US Opens and won 4 finishing 3rd in the other! I think the numbers actually favor Sam over Ben 64 and 9 vs 81 and 7, but that US Open record has clinched it for me. I think Arnold Palmer doesn't get enough recognition nowadays as well, 62 wins 7 majors in an arguably tougher era in golf - vs the WWII era.
  4. You're welcome Brocks! I'm glad my intent wasn't misunderstood as an insult or anything like that. Jack's win percentage numbers are incredible and nobody who started their career after him has been even close - with one notable exception of course. I made a list of the greats career numbers up to about age 45 and after Jack and the best I could find was Vijay Singh at 8.29%. Rory is slightly higher at this moment (9.5%), but it is a tall ask for him to retain that number 15 years down the road. 1. Ben Hogan (45) 1932-1958 - 63 wins in 265 events (23.77%) 2. Walter Hagen (45) 1915-1938 - 45 wins in 192 events (23.44%) 3. Sam Snead (45) 1931-1958 - 78 wins in 366 events (21.31%) 4. Byron Nelson (39) 1933-1951 - 52 wins in 246 events (21.14%) 5. Jack Nicklaus (45) 1961-1985 - 72 wins in 459 events (15.70%) 6. Gene Sarazen (45) 1920-1946 - 39 wins in 261 events (14.94%) 7. Arnold Palmer (45) 1954-1974 - 62 wins in 516 events (12.02%) 8. Cary Middlecoff (45) 1947-1966 - 40 wins in 333 events (12.01%) 9. Paul Runyan (45) 1930-1953 - 29 wins in 249 events (11.65%) 10. Billy Casper (44) 1954-1976 - 51 wins in 488 events (10.45%) 11. Vijay Singh (45) 1992-2008 - 34 wins in 410 events (8.29%) 12. Phil Mickelson (45) 1991-2015 - 42 wins in 529 events (7.94%) 13. Tom Watson (45) 1971-1995 - 37 wins in 530 events (6.98%) 14. Greg Norman (45) 1979-2000 - 20 wins in 298 events (6.71%) 15. Lee Trevino (45) 1962-1985 - 29 wins in 441 events (6.58%) And a few greats who really only have data in the majors only: 1. Bobby Jones (28) 1920-1930 - 13 wins in 31 majors (41.94%) 2. Harry Vardon (44) 1893-1914 - 7 wins in 24 majors (29.17%) 3. Willie Anderson (31) 1897-1910 - 4 wins in 14 majors (28.57%) 4. James Braid (44) 1894-1914 – 5 wins in 20 majors (25%) 5. J.H. Taylor (43) 1893-1914 - 5 wins in 24 majors (20.83%) 6. Peter Thomson (43) 1951-1973 - 5 wins in 36 majors (13.89%) 7. Bobby Locke (42) 1936-1959 - 4 wins in 29 majors (13.79%) 8. Jim Barnes (45) 1916-1930 - 4 wins in 32 majors (12.50%) Some of the numbers before 1960 are probably a little off, I just went with what I could find.
  5. I just wanted to add that the data you have for Nicklaus is a little off as far as I know. You forgot to remove the majors from his regular event total. Also the tour's website doesn't include the Open in their total starts stat up until 1995 the date it became an official event. I'm not trying to be rude, I just spent a lot of time on gathering the stats myself a while back. Here's Jack from his first pro event in 1962 to the end of 1978: Won 53 of the 285 regular events, or 18.6%. Won 15 of the 68 majors, or 22.1%. Total win percentage: 19.26% And Tiger from 1996-2009 Won 57 of the 189 regular events, or 30.2%. Won 14 of the 50 majors, or 28%. Total win percentage: 29.71% Even after a brutal next decade Tiger's numbers are absurd. Jack's are as well, they just seem to pale in comparison. Tiger up to the 2019 Masters (age 43) Won 66 of the 263 regular events, or 25.1%. Won 15 of the 75 majors, or 20%. Total win percentage: 24% Jack up to 1983, age 43 Won 54 of the 341 regular events, or 15.8%. Won 17 of the 88 majors, or 19.3%. Total win percentage: 16.6%
  6. If we exclude Amateur starts Tiger and Jack's peak win percentages (both at the age of 33 coincidentally) were 29.7% and 19.6% respectively. It is hard to fathom just how insane Tiger was and apparently still is! Now after a few lean years Tiger's number has dropped slightly to 24% while Jack was at 17% at the same point in his career.
  7. Thanks for fact checking just now! Man, where did you find some of that info??? I do love old (and new) stats. Either way Snead and Hogan should up there somewhere and are currently nowhere to be found in the official tally. 1. Tiger 142 2. Byron 113 3. Jack 105 (+6 British Opens) 4. Hale Irwin 86 5. Dow Finsterwald 72 6. Tom Kite 53
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  9. The beat the field streak of 89 is definitely impressive, but it only goes back to 1983 ignoring most of golf history. Now even though the consecutive cut stat does date back much further the actual record holder may not be Tiger. If you look at the PGA Tour's data it has Ben Hogan making a cut in every event from 1939-1947, a staggering 164 events. The actual total is higher, but we don't know which events he missed in 1938 and 1948. Sports Illustrated said the total was 177 in an old article, but I'm not confident about that number because they list the dates up to 1950 even though he withdrew in an event in 1948. Sam Snead may hold the unofficial record as well with at least 220 events from 1939-1951 without an MC according to the PGA Tour. He may have missed one cut in 1946 though which would give him 2 streaks of around 100+ which is still ridiculous. If we limit it to just events with a modern 36 hole cut line then we have our favorites Tiger and Jack at the top where they belong. Tiger: 111 (142 events minus 31 with no cut) Jack: 101 (minus 10 with no cut) Here's the article if you guys are interested. It dates back to 2003, so you have to add a few more event to Tiger's total. I might have miscounted. https://www.si.com/vault/2003/05/12/342809/the-real-cut-streak-forget-what-the-pga-tour-says-the-record-held-by-byron-nelson-should-belong-to-ben-hogan
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