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  1. I was only citing the words from Michael Bamberger's well-written article, not contesting anything you said. I'd be confident Bamberger had tongue-in-cheek or a cautious company lawyer. Indeed, absolutely shameless. Smacks of someone that thinks the world owes him and suggests a person that will repeat the crime endlessly while getting away with it.
  2. Lied? Just a seemingly inaccurate recounting. This is a Rules slam dunk, can't see the 'rules officials are only there to help, not to penalise' standing up in court.
  3. Nice diagram, helps emphasize the point that fairway reference point is only a means to the end of defining the relief area, which may be considerably closer to the green than the fairway reference point itself. In the most extreme case, that point is the teeing area played from.
  4. As Iacas has re-awakened this one...... I entirely agree with the quote above, but it is inevitably subjective just when too much digging in occurs - it's one of those kind of rules. As a player, the moral is why would you take a risk with this and risk a penalty. But I do take some issue with the following quote from an earlier thread: Your ball was originally going to be below your feet, but by digging in, you gave yourself a level lie. You improved the conditions affecting your stroke. Giving yourself a level lie is not the definition of digging in too much. It would depend on the situation and in the photo in the OP with those gentle slopes and assuming a right-handed player it would appear that getting the feet level with the ball is unlikely to be digging in too much. But, of course, that is just one example.
  5. This ball warming is an entirely fresh debate in 2019 because there were notable changes to the Rule (now 4.2a(2)) and there is also no interpretation/explanation of the change. However, a plain reading of the current rule suggests any prior year understanding/interpretation may well be wrong - that playing any ball now that has been deliberately warmed (regardless of when), such that the playing characteristics have been altered, is a breach of the Rule. And the penalty now has stepped up to DQ (previously 2SP first offence).
  6. Just arrived and enjoyed the read. My observations: 1) Mind-boggling Rules stupidity demonstrated by a Pro and a Pro's caddie. It borders on the unbelievable that they can't distinguish between a practice round and a tournament on the 'what did you hit?' issue. 2) What was the Rules Official issue thinking when it was brought to that person's attention? The RO needed to straightaway establish the facts with the players and either make the apparently straightforward ruling or at least alert the players to the process that would be followed with the Tournament Committee to resolve the issue. The Tournament Committee needs to stand up and say they could have handled things better/quicker and will learn from it. Their statement should emphasize the basic rule point here, asking and giving information about clubs played will normally involve a penalty and all players and caddies should be alert to this. 3) 90% of the discussion here is about Kim's actions, yet she is entirely the white knight here, protecting the integrity of the game.
  7. Keep in mind, this statement is only true for a ball on the putting green. If clubhead is used to mark the ball not on the green and someone shouts "fore" and you look up, breaking contact between clubhead marking the ball and the ground, then you are done one shot penalty under R9.7b.
  8. I'm familiar with that one, having refereed under that hard card. Perhaps there is not a single PGA document equivalent in the USA.
  9. Okay, thanks. Is there a single PGA Tour hard card and is it accessible online?
  10. Agree with the general view, assertions without evidence don't cut it. And there is no evidence yet demonstrated that the PGA of America has over-ridden the Rules on this issue. As an aside, I can't find a PGA of America hard card, is one accessible online?
  11. Stableford is, in effect, a specific form of Maximum Score, the max being net double bogey. At my course, Max Score has been embraced for the women's monthly medal (stroke) with a max score of 10 because they have a large number of new golfers after a women's fitness/golf membership drive and didn't want to force them to finish a hole if a monumental and embarrassing disaster is underway. Helps the newbies, protects pace of play and has no relevance for handicap purposes because the entered score gets adjusted to Stableford equivalent anyway.
  12. Quite right, I erred in saying it was general penalty. The only penalty option for the Committee outside any relevant Code of Conduct is DQ. But the interpretation is VERY clear, this is a Serious Misconduct, which answers the question put. Any Committee that fails to act on a Serious Misconduct, IMO, is not doing the game any favours. It actually was a general penalty last year (old decision 30-3f/6). 30.3f/6 (I haven't worked out multiquote). And I can find no intuitive way to edit my post - the Decision reference should be 33-3f/6 not 30-3f/6.
  13. Such action gets the general penalty for serious misconduct, Rule 1.2. See Interpretation 1.2a/1.
  14. No answer yet Wendy?
  15. This is a good question that I am not aware of any official answer to. IMO, your suggestion above is a good one that I would support (in the absence of further clarification) in the case of a longer putt - one step to the side could still be 'close proximity' but a couple of steps would not. Distance of ball from hole does seem to come into it. For example, if the putt is only a yard and a half then a full step to the side would not seem to be close proximity but a putt of say 5 yards and one step may not be enough to escape the 10.2b(4) restriction if the 'observer' is not in the process of moving away. I'd be interested in others thoughts on this angle.
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