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  1. Hear me out.

    Suppose that the Rules Official correctly (IMO) ruled that Dustin Johnson earned a penalty stroke on the 5th green for causing his ball to move.

    I think there is a good chance - not a certainty - that he collapses a bit and/or Lowry plays well enough at that point that the outcome changes. Maybe they tie, maybe DJ loses outright… something. Consider that DJ probably played the last 13 holes not thinking he'd be penalized because he doesn't understand the rule, and how his mind set and decisions might have changed if he had been penalized. At the time, he'd have only been -3 while Lowry would have been -6.

    I will say it this way again. There is a good chance that because a penalty was not assessed initially and DJ thought he would not incur a penalty, it affected the play of DJ, Lowry, and others over the remaining 13+ holes.

    In other words, DJ might have LOST the U.S. Open if he had been assessed a penalty at the 5th hole instead of after he'd won by 3/4.

  2. I'll just fly off the cuff here... he says: “maybe, like a 5”, “might be a 7”, "putting... it’s gotta be a 9”... c'mon you are Dave Pelz, can you give us some actual research? Can’t blame him for doing this as he’s hitched to short game but wow... just not backed by anything.

    Then let's look quickly at his stat re: 60% that tour players get it up and down vs. approx. 10% of 20 handicappers. Without even taking time to look at some of our research to confirm accuracy at this point, if the 20 handicap misses 16 greens and gets it up and down 2 times vs. the tour player 10 times they lose 8 shots... that's still NOTHING compared to what they are losing with the full swing. Tour players are picking up multiple shots EVERY hole on 20 handicappers with the full swing. 

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  3. Plot twist:  The pro's name is Joe.  The "joe's" name is Mark.

    Haha... I'll take the amateur 20 handicap who goes by the name of Mark... if that's his real name ;-)

  4. I'm taking Joe here. Sample size of one 9 hole round is too small of course but I'd be backing Joe if I had to wager $100. I'm confident in my pick btw :-)
  5. S&T; to me is easier to remember. It gives me great explanation. I have to work and think to bring elements of 5sk into my swing. But I find great joy in reading al sorts of explanations by MvMac and/or Iacas, let alone the great clips. Reading this sort of discussions remembers me how far behind we are in my country. I wish there would be a discussion about differences in my country. That would possibly means that we have teachers ready to take golf at a higher level.

    Golf is hard. I don't want this to "sound" the wrong way but of course S&T; is "easier to remember". It's description of ONE way to swing a golf club. You don't have to consider the many things that might be going on within individual players (again, golf is hard, and you really need to consider those things) as you give them singular instruction.

    5 Simple Keys® was specifically built to keep things as simple as possible for players learning the game while instructors learned to understand the things that go on to make those 5 Keys attainable. It's not as easy (for an instructor) as just hearing them once and remembering them... but for a golfer it is exactly that easy. That's the beauty of the system. Easy for golfers to understand and prioritize while the instructor (the one who, if he is worthy, gets paid by the golfer) has to grasp the why and how and variables that make things work.

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  6. What do you think causes amateurs to leave shorter putts short of the hole?

    Is that due to poor putter fitting, or is it just an adjustment that golfers don't make?

    Putter fitting is certainly a small factor here but it's much more the mindset. Understanding the stats can change that. I would also say that if you find yourself leaving a larger percentage than normal short from inside the 10-15 foot range it may be because you lack confidence in the 3 foot range for some reason. Another reason why spending practice time on the 3-8 foot range is beneficial.

  7. This pretty much goes along with what @david_wedzik and I have been saying:

    From 15 feet and in, absolutely, get the ball to the hole. Amateurs leave a surprising number of shorter putts short of the hole. Those are the putts you actually have a decent chance of making, so get them there. Even bad speed should leave you a high, high-percentage putt (like 3 feet and in) if you miss.

    From 25+ feet, we encourage everyone to hit the ball the exact distance of the hole. If you're trying for three feet past and you're off by three feet, you'll three-putt far too often. If you're shooting for the distance of the hole, and you're three feet past, you'll still make that putt a lot more often.

    So yes, try to make the makeable putts, and do what you can to two-putt the three-puttable putts knowing that they'll occasionally go in anyway.

    Edit: Just read the article. Pretty goofy that he based the ranking on putts per round. Brad Faxon never really hit a bunch of GIR. Yeah, he was a good putter and all, but still a goofy way to base the stats. But there was also no ShotLink, etc. back then, so… maybe the best he could do, and if the results match the "eye test," maybe they're "good enough."

    One addition that needs to be reiterated for sure. From inside 15 ft-ish (maybe even 10-12 feet depending on player level) focus on trying to make them all as typical distance control will leave most players only 1-3 feet past the hole anyway and that is a very high percentage make zone. The reason I mentioned some players moving this "go for it" distance down to 10 feet is that they may not all have "typical" distance control :-).

    I'll agree with Erik that the putts per round is a bad benchmark though I'm not even sure if these matching with an "eye test" carries any weight. I'd throw it out there that we have always seen this list of players with lower putts per round than most and then "look" at them as the best putters. Consider when you buy a new car and then notice everyone else who has one of those cars (never happens to me as I drive a Lotus...err... a SMART car with Golf Evolution wrap :-D). You hear all the time how great of a putter Faxon is because people have seen the stats and then you "notice" him making more puts than others.

    A quick glance back at the statistics of Pavin, Frost, Crenshaw and Faxon show them as FAR BELOW average in the GIR category (Furyk had some very good years mixed in with not so great years early on). Many years during that stretch they had rankings b/w 100-180 in that category. So, the number of putts clearly shows them as relatively good putters (since there were also a number of other tour players in the same range in GIR ranks) but saying they are the best 5 is misleading at best IMO. I realize that nothing I bring up here is backed with 100% certainty but, at best, this is a surprising use of statistics from Broadie.

    The important stuff in the article is clear. Go for it inside 10-15 feet (depending on skill level) and hit the ball the correct distance outside 25 feet. You shouldn't care if you make those... just NEVER three putt.

  8. I feel like I'm so close to getting over that hump with my driver. When I have played well recently it's because of how I'm driving the ball. I average 260 off the tee. 90 percent of the time I hit a draw with my irons too. When the ball doesn't hook my drives can be really good. This is the frustrating part of my game. I think I could easily be a scratch golfer if it weren't for my driver. I still believe that most of my problems come from my set up. My grip seems to be pretty good. HELP!

    Just read through a fair amount of this thread quickly... do me a favor. Go to the range as soon as you can and lay an alignment rod on the ground to be CERTAIN you know where you are aiming your body "lines"... then put an alignment stick down into the ground (standing up) about 15 feet in front of you and just a touch to the right of where you are aligned. Hit some drivers from this alignment starting the shots to the right of the alignment stick.

    I would like to hear a report back which informs us how many of the drives that started RIGHT of the stick hooked too much. Start there and that will help everyone trying to help you. Be anal about your alignment and the alignment of the stick as I explained above. You have to do this right.


  9. We have recently begun filming for a DVD release of Lowest Score Wins and once complete there will be a large scale marketing campaign begun on Golf Channel and elsewhere. We would really love to hear from those of you who have read the book and begun putting the principles to work.

    What we'd like from you, if you'd like to see yourself on Golf Channel in a commercial for LSW, is your best heartfelt short testimonial for LSW. Here are some guidelines for filming the video:

    • Don't mention "the book" - just say "Lowest Score Wins" or equivalent (you don't have to say the title - people will know what you're talking about since it's the rest of the commercial - just don't say "this book" or something), because the book will still be available but the commercial is for the DVDs primarily.
    • Make as many clips as you want saying as many things as you want, but keep them to three to ten seconds or so in length (the actual speaking part - we can trim out extra).
    • Video and audio quality matter, so better is better. Please try to eliminate wind noise, etc.
    • Location matters. Ideally, at the course is best. Videos of some guy on a couch probably won't make the cut. :D
    • Try to say as many different things as you want. If nine videos all say the same thing, we can't use all nine. You never know what will sound best.
    • Be creative.
    • Many of the reviews that you've already written have been pretty great, and said things quite well, so read your review (and some others) and consider repeating a sentence or two from them.
    • Be overly enthusiastic. Emotions come across as surprisingly flat on TV. We've filmed an example video below. You've seen the "Holy Moses!" and "That's the most innovative approach to golf instruction that I've EVER heard of!" clips.

    We may not have covered everything above, but feel free to ask questions and we'll answer them.

    Video is uploading (very slowly):

    Anyone whose video clip is used will be a famous TV star, will have casting agents calling you non-stop, and will receive a small cool prize and thanks from myself and @iacas .

  10. To be a bit more clear, I would describe section 3 as an scientific version of the age old risk/reward strategy that most golfers are familiar with

    To follow up on Erik's thoughts I'll just say I'm not surprised by this comment. I think a fair percentage of people who read the section may feel that way. We discussed these types of comments being made, in fact, while writing the book.

    However, I believe that it's far more perception than reality as it seems, after reading, like this is the common sense way to look at things. I actually like to hear this type of comment as I think it adds great credibility to the concepts. The GamePlanning section is definitely not typical risk/reward strategy and since this thread is for people who've read the book I don't need to hit on all of those details. Thanks for the thoughts and I, too, thought the Par 4 example you gave was a very good one.

  11. Nice job on the analysis @iacas - I'll add that this is not uncommon to see this type of transformation in an hour once the person understands how to do it properly. We hit shots one handed (right hand) for a while and she was quickly better one handed than she had been two handed previously. Right hand only shots are one of my favorite ways to get the feel of the backswing and the way the club "falls" across to a student.

    Something telling from the before swing was how much she dipped the right shoulder and moved her weight back a bit through impact. This was nothing more than her attempt to add loft and bounce as I had asked her to hit a shot that was just slightly higher than normal. Attempting to add loft with the body motion through the shot generally leads to bad contact. In the after she changed the trajectory she was going to hit the shot through a setup change and then allowed the proper technique to expose the bounce and keep the loft on the club.

  12. No change.  Struggling......

    This is not that uncommon and I wish I had an answer that you'd really like to hear :-) -- you've learned what you need to do and how to work on the things to improve your motion and your start lines -- but you are in a bit of limbo.

    What I mean is that you are still most likely doing things in your "previous manner" but your mind is filled with the thoughts that it takes to do things correctly (with some more practice and time to get things right this gets better, trust me). Add to this the fact that your alignment is in the same limbo type state and you can see where the scoring problems lie. On the alignment side...can you play golf laying down an alignment stick quickly to see how much the alignment is an issue on the course?

    Again, mostly this comes down to having thoughts in your head trying to do this correctly but the changes aren't there yet. Thoughts in the head are an ok tradeoff if they are getting the results you want...but otherwise not so great :-(

    Last thing: I know you aren't able to make tons of time to practice so get in a mirror at home and work on the things we discussed. The slow motion type work at home or in your backyard will pay dividends.

  13. Hi Bill - I spoke with Erik earlier today and told him I'd have a look at your swing. Really nice job overall and your structure is certainly solid. The biggest priority for you is Key 3 (Inline Impact) and working on this will help Key 4 (Sweetspot Path) as well. It will take care of a the issue with the fades and the added loft/higher shots pretty quickly.  Notes are on the images which I exported from my Analyzr Pro software.


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  14. How about this: I'll play 10 rounds aiming at the middle of the green from 100 yards and out, and 10 rounds aiming at the middle of the green from 145 yards and out. If I play more strokes over par from the latter scenario, I will aim at the middle of the green from 100 yards and out every round from then on.

    I think that is a fair plan. And I think it is fair to say that there are small adjustments to be made with any strategy. The problem is that the potential variables for SMALL adjustments are just too many to list here. That is why broad scope advice is difficult to give. That said, most people, without an in person GamePlan structure (which we will be offering with schools, etc. btw once the book is released) should heed this advice to shoot lower scores.  It is easy enough to pick an exact target in line with your start line in order to finish your ball in the center of the green. The statistics, very much, speak for themselves.

    Well, he is a great putter. Me on the other hand... Not so much. I make about 1 putt from over 20 feet in 3 rounds. The only way I can make birdies on par 4's is if I play somewhat aggressive when given the opportunity.

    This makes you almost exactly as good as a tour player. Your perception of yourself can be misleading. Sometimes you will get hot/lucky and make more but, in itself, this shouldn't change how you look at the advice. Not to mention that your score will improve if you worry more about making pars (less bogeys) and less about making birdie.

  15. After reading through a lot of the comments I should add this now.

    This SEEMS as if it is very easy to implement in your game.  It SEEMS that you should just be able to read the advice and start heeding it.  It WON'T be that easy I can assure you. I have struggled at times in my own game to take my own advice.  Challenge yourself to see how good you can be at acting on this.  Make aggressive plays to conservative targets. Again, it WON'T be easy :-P

  16. Those all meet the definition of steady.

    Remember, the most amount of freedom is allowed vertically and next most is towards and away from the golf ball. The least amount of movement, though some is still allowable, is towards and away from the target.

    Erik is right that those swings meet the definition of steady. Most of this has to do with the fact that he is a tour player and it is not causing him any direct issues.

    I would have more concern if this happened to be, say, a single digit handicapper and the compensations necessary were creating ball flight issues. There are two parts to be considered as we look at players like this...1) is the head, as a reference point, steady per the definition/connotation and 2) is movement that is happening detrimental and/or does it have a direct correlation to certain ball flight issues...i.e. is it a priority when looking at the improvement plan for the player.

  17. Here is a tidbit of information from our upcoming book Lowest Score Wins (math still being tweaked to its, exact, final form but you'll get the point :-D ):

    Try this the next thousand times you play golf.

    If your handicap is over 20 aim at the dead center of the green any time you are more than 60 yards from the flag. If it is between 11-20, aim at the dead center of the green any time you are further than 80 yards from the hole. If you are reading this and carrying a handicap 10 or lower… but you are not playing a major tour currently… let's aim at center of the green from anywhere 100 yards and further from the hole.

    Your score will thank you.


    — with @iacas

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  18. Like I said, he's been there, done that already in Philly. But he will never win a big game. 14 years of it, and I'm glad he's gone. Everybody in Philly is. There were a few years there where Reid had the best overall football team in the NFL, but they always under-achieved in the big games. Who knows how Chip Kelly will work out in the long run, but at least we have some hope.

    As an Eagles fan I'm "glad" that Reid was replaced by Kelly and that is not the 7-5 colored glasses talking...I was HAPPY with the decision to move on from Reid when it happened as too much had gone on in the recent past both personally and professionally.  I also stated at the time that:

    1. Andy Reid would and should be the first hire of the offseason and it would be almost immediate (there were multiple teams courting him right away).

    2. If you want to find the best long term coaching record in the history of the Eagles look no further than Andy Reid. 14 seasons...1 NFC Championship...4 NFC Championship games...7 division titles...9 playoff appearances. He won PLENTY of big games...just not the biggest game at this point. It's too difficult to say whether they'd have won less or more without him.  We can only assess based on the facts we have in front of us.

    3. Donovan McNabb had a hall of fame career (yes, he will be in the HOF) in his offense with the likes of Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell (I could go on) around him as receivers. I'm obviously not certain how much the head coach plays into that but it's pertinent within the body of work.

    4. Reid was hired prior to the 1999 season...what are the chances that a different hire would have produced a more successful 14 year run in Philadelphia?

    BTW...I know that arguing football/coaching, etc. is like arguing politics...so, I'm not arguing. Just stating my opinions and getting some facts out there :-D

  19. Thanks to everyone who has supported the project thus far...not just empty words here...sincere thanks for putting your faith in us to do a great book! On that subject ( @iacas let me know if this should be a new thread) is there a specific place you feel you "waste" shots? We have great content mapped out already but you never know where a new chapter will come from!

    Thanks again!


  20. Definitely cool thread as there are lots of guys 60+ that can really play (not sure what we are defining as old). Yeah, my Dad did fire 29 at 66 1/2 years old but backed it with a 39. This was at The Kahkwa Club which is legitimate course for sure! He still hits it 260+ and drives it great overall and putts very well. It's one of the things I love about golf...that I imagine playing well til I'm 80.
  21. June 10, 2014 - Lowest Score Wins is now available for purchase at http://lowestscorewins.com/! Get your copy, hot off the presses, and shoot lower scores GUARANTEED!

    As some of you may know, @iacas (Erik) and I have been doing research over the past couple years for a golf book called "Lowest Score Wins". Our background work is 95% complete and the writing has begun :-P .

    Indiegogo (we have raised almost $2000 so far in the form of purchased books) and I'm posting this here now as we know every golfer can benefit greatly from this book!

    Right now, you can support Lowest Score Wins and get yourself a first edition book (as you know there is only one first edition) at almost $10 less than it will sell for after the campaign.

    If you like the idea, even a little ;-) , please SHARE it with as many of your buddies, family and social network friends as you can.

    Here is a section of the text from Indiegogo to give you an idea what the book is about:

    What is "Lowest Score Wins"?

    "Lowest Score Wins" (or "LSW") is a first-of-its kind book that will lower your score the very next time you play.

    Lots of books promise to make you better… What makes LSW different?

    Golf books have traditionally fallen into one of several categories: some purport to help you with the mental game, some will try to assist you with your golf swing, or your short game. These books, though helpful, often fail to help you lower your score… not today, not tomorrow, not next year.

    By combining our rich statistical analysis, simple techniques, and gameplan building blocks, LSW will help you build your own Lowest Score Gameplan to shave strokes off your score quickly. We will show you specifically what to do and what pitfalls to avoid every time you play golf. We will show you techniques to quickly improve your game without overhauling your swing. We'll examine statistics - of the game's best, average, and poorest players - and show you how to take advantage of the skills you already possess.

    What are people saying?

    "I've worked with a lot of golf instructors in my time on Tour and as President of Medicus Golf, and Dave and Erik have created the simplest, best, most well-rounded approach to shooting lower scores that I've ever seen." -- Bob Koch, President and Founder of Medicus Golf

    "Dave and Erik's approach to scoring is something I'd only dreamed about. I always knew there had to be an easier way… turns out there was!" -- Tim Macre, Head Athletic Trainer, NHL Buffalo Sabres

    "I've spent my career helping people lower their scores as well as my own! The concepts in Lowest Score Wins provided me a roadmap to continue to compete against the younger guys while helping my students shoot their best scores EVER." -- Graham Gunn, former Canadian PGA Professional of the Year, Canadian Club Professional Player of the Year, and Senior European Tour Player

    One final note. This campaign closes in only 29 days so time is limited if you want to grab a first edition copy of the book. Thanks in advance!

    You can contribute, pick up your copy/copies, and find out more information here:


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  22. Obviously everyone knows my thoughts on this thread and this data as I have been a part of the compilation...so no need to discuss the quality of the post. I think the replies are telling though. We are careful to do our "research" in areas that can truly help golfers and, based on the replies here, it seems this is a subject that matters. The perception may be totally different depending on who you ask but the real point is to give golfers accurate information they can use to improve. Sometimes, to do this, one must question another's information. Others have done the same many times and it will continue to be done.  That is how we ALL continue to improve.

    I have said many, many times that I LOVE when the merits of our system are presented in "unfriendly confines". It makes us all better and if we make changes because of it then so be it. That is EXACTLY how it should be.

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  23. Originally Posted by Crusher47

    Hello everyone,

    My name is Al, I'm originally from Rhode Island but moved to Texas 6 years ago.  I started playing golf around 1994 and played pretty much every weekend until about 1999, then took a long break.  I just started back up again last year and now that my son is older (20), we have been playing together.

    I normally shoot in the low 100's but have shot a 94 and 92 in the last month.  I would like to get down into the 80's consistently.

    I look forward to making new friends here and learning as much as possible.

    Hi Al - love the avatar!  If you are looking to move into the 80's consistently check out our 5 Simple Keys (named 5 Simple Keys as the instruction is based on only the 5 things all great golfers have in common) thread: http://thesandtrap.com/t/61376/5sk-video-thread -- if you have any questions at all let us know.  Glad you found the site!

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