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    the league I play those tournaments in started "gimmes inside 1'" for a while earlier this year. It went about like you would expect...people not wanting to be "that guy" got...shall we say generous with what constituted 1'. My shoe is 12" long...I saw several "1' putts" given that I could comfortably fit 3-4 shoes in. Drove me nuts. Said something once, the reaction made it clear I would not say anything again. We play for credit on the tournament website that can buy stuff at full price, so it is not a huge deal...but it did make me sad that a "1' to not touch the flag" had such a huge impact. I saw guys miss several putts much shorter than those they were later given, Point being, people often have weird interpretations of distance
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    for me, I don't really care what other people take, I hate it when they give me one...I occasionally play in tournaments and I can tell you, when I have been stepping up and knocking in the 1 and 2 footers regularly, I feel no extra pressure. Play a round where people, trying to be friendly, are "giving" me 2,3,4'ers, shipping them back to me before I can get to the ball (I routinely lag putt to pretty close from a good distance across the green, and people routinely ship them back), when I get to the tournament, that "gimme" suddenly becomes a nervous putt. If people want to give and take putts to each other, and it is not a tournament...knock yourself out but please, leave my ball alone. I like to finish every putt, even the "it is 100% to make that one on the lip"....yeah, it is but I like to finish the hole. I paid to play a complete course, not everything but the finish. Now, to get down off my soapbox...
  3. I literally was on the edge of quitting even the 3-4 times a year I played with my buddies because...how do I put this politely...it wasn't that I sucked at golf. I could live with that. It was hitting a ball with a 4-way miss and not being able to track the ball off the clubhead. So I would not know if I should look to the right, to the left, short or long. It is really smurfing hard to find a ball you don't know if it is 100 yards out or 225 yards out, if it is in the fairway, wide left, or wide right. Just sooooooooo frustrating. It reached its nadir when my buddy gave a round at Pumpkin Ridge for my birthday. I went out with 3 randoms who pretty much ignored me. It was zero fun playing by far the nicest, most famous course I had pled at that point and every...single...shot...having no clue where my ball was. I was used to my playing partners getting at least a general starting line for me. Now, I see you are a plus handicap golfer, so you probably have a really good idea of where your ball is going so I can see why you would not need assistance. I have since taken a lot of lessons and now have a really good idea of where the ball will be and the game is fun. Makes a huge difference when you have a solid idea of start line, ball flight laws, etc. Thing is, nowadays I golf a lot when the weather is decent. I get matched up with a lot of randoms. I tend to play low to mid-range courses...think 25-40 buck range...and there are a TON of players who cannot track their ball. Many rounds I save them 10-15 minutes by having their ball spotted for them. Note this not directed at you, you just made the statement I could take off on...I really feel like this question has multiple levels. For skilled players who know where their ball should be...assistance is probably not needed. For mid and high (or no) handicap players, it can be invaluable to have help spotting the ball off the tee. And for me, if I am more or less behind them a few yards, I can get a feel for it. of course, side argument...I have long been known for saying golfers are among the most mentally weak athletes out there. With an immobile ball, our choice of what, when, and how to swing, with no opponent trying to deceive us or stop us, we seem incapable of making a good swing if noise or movement or a breeze or a shadow or a random thought occur...for myself, having played a ton of baseball, basketball, tennis, racquetball, etc through the years, I cannot recall the last time such things bothered me personally. I can play through the "comedian" passing the course honking in my backswing, the bird flying through my intended shot path...I have been known to literally be talking about something while playing a putt. Of course, I don't do these things when others are...but I have often internally laughed at the guy over the putt who backs off and tells the people off the edge of the green 20 yards to his right they are impacting his putt. I already know he is going to miss regardless.
  4. I had an eagle before I even had a par so I think it is safe to say the eagle came first. Playing a 90 degree dogleg right...which plays well for an egregious slice. So I swung from my heels, ball went up on two dimples, turns corner and is in the fairway about 150 yards from the green. I then skulled an iron, laser shot that never got over about 2' off the ground...and landed dead center in the cup. One inch left or right and that horrific shot is 150 yards past the green but it is a scorecard, not a what would have happened card, so that was a "2" on a par 4. Course owners sons were sitting on the bench between hole 4 (my eagle) and hole 5. "Who was that?" Me, chest puffed out, smiling as big as one can..."That was me". Promptly step up to the tee and hit it so badly it goes almost directly behind me, nearly hitting them on the bench and being about 10 yards short of the ladies tees...which were about 11 yards in front of the mens tees. Still an eagle on 4 though...
  5. I know a guy who was likely a legit 6 or 7 whose handicap stayed at just over I think it was roughly a 13 or 14 for something like four years. It was completely illegitimate...and completely legit. He was a 13 or 14, started taking lessons. He also, at the same time, started playing nothing but scrambles, shambles, best balls...so everything he played was in a tournament but non-standard format. So he might post one or even no scores a year because he was not playing legal posting rounds. Side note, when we would do our group retreats...we did not give him any 14 hcp. (There may have been some betting involved, I can neither confirm nor deny, and the guy responsible for setting the teams and caps put him at I think a 7 or 8). There came a time when he was able to get a really good deal on a membership at a club. He started playing in their league and...shocker...within a few months his cap started fluctuating between 6 and 8. So while his 13 or 14 was a legit handicap...and his staying there after he got better was legit...he knew it was a loophole and a scam. We all knew. Weird that he and his partners did so well in the tournaments and these days...only win sometimes instead of all the time.
  6. there is a sense where this question comes down to "What rules can we use to ensure nobody better than me is allowed to compete but I am still allowed to"
  7. Saturday I was matched up with a couple randoms. Guy was talking about how he never shot worse than a double. Hole 8 was not atypical; he pushed his tee shot on the 140ish yard par 3 right, ob in the bushes. It is red staked. His drop was about 40 yards closer to the green than point of entry...and across the small stretch of grass, across the cart path, and about 10 yards from the green, maybe 50 or so yards from the correct point of relief. He had a mediocre chip. First putt went 8' past cup. Second was a couple feet short. Third was about 4' past. He picked up, recorded his "5" and moved on to the next hole. At the end of the round he was very happy with his score (which had many similar events) as he broke 90 as usual. I find he is not the only one I play with delusional about his scores. I play from time to time with several guys I have met in tournaments who enjoyed the round, contact me and meet up for casual rounds. They are routinely shocked they score higher in tournaments than in casual rounds. Yet when I play a casual round, they routinely pick up 2-5' putts (often after having missed an equal or shorter putt) and count it as made...then in tournament play with "no gimmies" they miss 4, 5, 6 "gimme" putts and their score increases. It is not just people thinking they could be pros...people often don't have a realistic idea of what their actual scores should be. If you think you are 10, 15 shots better than you are, you are that much closer to being on tour. Result!
  8. love scrambles because they tend to cover my deficiencies. I tend to have that one shot that creates three more...the ill-timed pull when I have been fading all day that somehow bounces sideways behind a tree with no clear lane out in any direction. Get back to fairway in three, overshoot green, chip back, have my one 3-putt for the day...scramble ignores that. My partners 130 yard dribbler in the first cut is much better than my grade a smurf up. Good place to go low and have fun trying stuff you normally wouldn't
  9. I grew up where every penny mattered. Back then the choice was "9 holes with cart or 27 walking". Not a hard choice. I simply had to choose between playing more golf or walking and the cart fees were like 2/3rds as much as the round. At times it felt like taking a cart doubled the choice of the round. I feel like that might be where my dislike of cart golf started
  10. true...but those are marked with the appropriate flag in my experience and are the exception
  11. Up front, I will say I am heavily prejudiced against golf carts. I enjoy the walk, feel like I play better when I walk, and have never had a problem outpacing the carters. With that said, for health reasons I have had to start using one as the choice is cart golf or no golf. There are some bright sides...whereas when I walk, with nobody in front of me it typically took 55 to 65 minutes per nine, I was 53 minutes on the front until I ran into a group on ten. I have a very convenient place for my speaker and water. With that said, there are certain things that really irritate me about cart golf. First off...keep the cart in the designated areas. So tired of seeing people parking on the fringe of the green. Even the lowest goat track typically has a sign "keep carts 30' from greens" (or it might be 30 yards, I don't know...I don't get that close so it is a distinction without a difference to me. When I get close to the green I park at the next tee box and head back to my ball with the appropriate clubs). Don't drive through that "environmentally sensitive area" to get to your errant shot. Second, parking the cart in front of the green when they went over the back...or off to the left when the next hole is off to the right...seriously, Third, and this is obviously anecdotal...cart drivers with radios tend to play them really loudly. I love my music but work hard to ensure I cannot hear it more than a couple steps from the cart. I am not trying to help people 3 holes over who don't care for same type of music I am "enjoy" my music. Fourth, these aren't bumper cars or ATVs. You aren't cool when you are jamming the brakes trying to slide sideways, puddle jumping over tree routes and basically treating it like your own dune buggy. Two separate carts have been wrecked in the last couple months by people trying cross the creek not at the designated location. Idiots. Fifth, those signs on par 3s that say "keep carts on path from tee to green on this hole"? They don't have exceptions because you had a crap swing and shoved it 50 yards into the fairway off to the right. Part of taking your medicine is following the established rules and walking over there, not driving over because you have a cart. Oh, on that 180 yard par 3 you chunked it 80 yards? Sign is still there, walk to your ball, don't drive the cart there. Side note: Having a cart doesn't give you the right to drive into the adjacent fairway your errant ball went into when a group is teeing off, stand there obliviously trying to choose a club, and shanking one back. There is more but that is probably whiny enough. Carts have a place in the game letting people such as the retirees I often golf with continue to golf. Physically decrepit people like myself as well. Done right, they can speed play and make it enjoyable for people who don't want to walk. Long or hilly courses that are a tough walk become more playable. And for some people (my wife for example) they are an intrinsic part of the game. I just want people to have some basic consideration. Keep the cart in the designated areas, don't drive it abusively, don't use it as an excuse to be rude to your fellow golfers, put some thought into the most appropriate place to leave it for pace of play purposes... Rant over. For now.
  12. NW Golf Guys has gone to using it exclusively and I think it is fantastic. Even before they did I cannot recall the last time I used a scorecard. I tend to use golfpad to keep score and it is pretty easy and quick, much quicker than the gather at the next tee box and discuss score routine I still see a lot of people do. I cannot conceive of circumstances it would slow play as opposed to writing it on scorecard then someone having to adjust...it keeps running, live, accurate totals including handicap pops. No need for someone to manually enter them, trying to decipher the numbers people write on scorecards where there is potential for error. I recall one tournament where we went over the scores, they were correct, signed the card, a couple days later I noticed the official score had me a stroke better than should be. I reported it (taking myself out of the money in the process) and it turned out they could not tell what a number was, made a decision and it was wrong...GolfGenius removes that. The numbers are clear. Big fan.
  13. I get matched up with a lot of randoms. I am a mediocre golfer...Ghin has me sitting on a 13.8 currently, up a smidge from my earlier peak of 12.8 a month or so ago. Time and again I listen to people at my skill level or worse talk themselves through this scenario, pick the shorter club to step on it or muscle it up...and come up 30 yards short. Or shank it 90 yards left of their intended target. Then frustrated, blade a chip over the back and walk away with a generous "I got a snowman". Just anecdotal observation but it does seem to match up the research that says most mediocre to poor golfers come up short the overwhelming majority of the time. I monitor my distances using Golfpad and find I have a much better idea of my average distance than most people I play with. ("Wow, usually I can get there from 150 with my PW". Uh...no. I haven't seen you hit 150 with an 8 yet, but whatever.) With that said, take say...my 8i which s of this morning is 160 on the dot (121 shot history). if the flag is 155 (or, in my case, center of the green as I pay very little attention to flag location...my goal is get on and 2 putt or less, so middle of green is my goal), lets see how my last ten shots would do: 150, 193, 168, 133, 163, 148, 200, 85, 166, 188 Clearly, I am all over the board. 4 of those would be far too long, 2 would be a little too short. the other 4 are close enough for me at current skill level and should be on the green. Now lets dip to my 9i which currently averages 142 (95 shot history). 164, 81, 137, 139, 142, 148,90, 151, 103, 134. I am trying to conceive of the circumstances where someone at my skill level is going to be advantaged stepping on a 9i. I am far more likely to have that 81 yard chunk or 164 yard blow by than I am to hit that magic perfect adder shot. I don't have the club control at my skill level to add or subtract subtle variations. I need to keep me regular swing, pick the miss that isn't sticking me in trouble...barring something like wide open in front and water behind, I am taking the longer club and normal swing approximately 100% of the time. If I become more skilled and can make subtle adjustments...maybe I stand on a 9 but...if I could hit it 155 accurately I would already be doing that. I have noticed my already suspect accuracy gets much worse when I try to alter my swing. I have no doubt there are outliers out there who score equal or worse to me and can stand on a shorter club or shorten a longer club at will and maintain accuracy...I have just never been fortunate to be matched up with them. I always, always, always wish they would take the longer club.
  14. I used to have a really high ball flight. it was pretty routine for the ball to be in or an inch from the pitch mark. I have several pics I took over the years of the ball embedded in the green. I KNEW where my wedges would land. Injuries have altered my swing and now I have a lot less arc. On a completely unrelated note, I tend to hit a club weaker than I used to and routinely see the ballrun off the green at which point I mutter aspersions against the green not holding...truth is, I needed that trajectory to control my distance. that is the best reason I can imagine for a high trajectory...distance control.
  15. if I am playing with one of those people who insists on marking every missed putt, looking above and below and beside the hole, carefully lining up the line on their ball again, and missing by 4' again, only to redo the process...after a couple holes I have no qualms whatsoever about moving towards the next hole, particularly in casual play. I probably go too far to the other extreme...unless there is visible dirt on the ball, it is in its own pitchmark, or it is in the line or sightline of someone else I never mark my ball. Getting to the green only to have someone miss 10' short from 20' after the above routine, miss 6' short after the above routine, have a 2' putt and still have to do the routine...I sound like a tour guide. "And we're walking" As someone mentioned above, if I am walking and guys are in carts, and I have holed out, I am over at the fringe, when they leave a 1' tap in, I might start walking away then. The ones that drive me nuts are the ones that leave carts in front of the green, their chipping tool at the back, finish putting, wait for everyone else to finish, then go get their club, move to the cart, sit there for interminable amounts of time filling out their card, and only start to the next box when everyone else is already there. Grrr.
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