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Everything posted by saevel25

  1. I agree, you have to talk about generalizations because the unconscious bias is based on generalizations. A white person walks down the street, he sees a black 25 year old male, and the white person cross the street to avoid the person. There is an unconscious bias, a generalization that is programmed into that person, that black people are dangerous. Deep down, there has to be a subconscious fear that triggered that person to cross the street. If not, then why cross the street? Why not try to know the person first before making the decision? Here is another example. A white supervisor gives their OK to hire a black person for a job. The black person slacks off for a few weeks, quits their job, and goes to claim unemployment. The next black person that gets interviewed is probably not going to get the OK from the supervisor unless the black person is overqualified. If this was a white person who did this, the white supervisor wouldn't think twice about hiring another white person. A white cop knows all the stats about crime. They generalize those stats to see black person = more crimes. They then police the black community more than the white community. It's pretty easy to connect the dots. The police don't care about getting to know the community. All this is because it's much easier to generalize. The issue is, the system is built for convenience. Its how humans are wired. We are wired to be tribal. We are wired to see differences, to generalize, so we can save energy and be more efficient in our social interactions. This is why eye witness testimony is routinely bad. New research reveals how little we can trust eyewitnesses Turns out eyewitness testimony is one of the least reliable forms of evidence. We are not good at taking in visual details because it takes a lot of processing power. So we learn how to generalize. You can tell who your friend is from across the room because you memorized their body language and general outline. You don't need to see that their eye color is green, or they have a birthmark. This is why you may mistake someone for someone else. We need to examine these generalizations because we live our lives generalizing every day.
  2. I approach this as a white male who has grown up in the upper middle class, was put through college by my family, who went to Ohio State University to become a Civil Engineer. My mom comes from a very conservative family. My dad side of the family was more independent. I come from these points of views by trying to not be stuck in the system, but to view the system. Sometimes you need to step back and examine things. We got to stop thinking in terms of all. Think of it as more likely. A black person is more likely to be stopped by a police officer because they are black than a white person. That is not a generalization. Try to guess the results of these poles at FiveThirtyEight, https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/racism-polls/
  3. It’s pretty much true. Unconscious bias exists. White people are more likely to get promoted than black people. The fact that if you are born black you have a much higher chance of being born into a single parent home and in poverty. All of that is based on decades of disenfranchisement. That child didn’t choose to be born into a system that doesn’t give them a fair starting line. Think of it as they are starting a race a pap behind. You just have to look at the social economical demographics to see this. I get it, “If they just apply themselves!” Do you realize that it’s actually harder to break Into a different economic class in the US than it is in Canada. It’s tough to get ahead in the USA. You are more likely to stay were you are at. It has very little to do with effort. Especially now we are living in a time we’re most of the past two generations will not make more money then their parents. This has never happened before. Don’t get me wrong, I think the USA is the best place to live in the world. It’s just not built around fairness. Rich people live in an entirely different world than we do. So you have to parse them out. with the remaining people, white people play by a different set of rules.
  4. It's not white guilt. It's realizing the system is messed up. I don't need to feel guilty to be upset that a black man had a foot on his neck for over 8 minutes. I don't need to feel guilt to stare at the evidence showing that our systems favors white people. It goes way further back then that. It goes back to the failure of the reconstruction after the Civil War. It goes to the creation of police departments to enforce Jim Crow laws in the south. It goes towards the FBI hunting down civil right activists during the civil rights movements. It goes towards legalizing the term white so the government can create laws to promote a racial class system. Yes, the war on poverty has done great harm. It has destroyed the black family. It doesn't change the fact that black parents have to teach their kids how to interact with a cop so they don't get killed. This isn't just by black parents in poverty. It's by well off black parents. My dad's boss at Diebold (a fortune 500 company at the time & note, my dad was a VP of his department), told him that he had to have that talk with his son. As @billchao said, we are not all playing the same game. Everyone doesn't play the same game as those with tremendous amounts of money. White people play by a different set of rules than black people. It's as simple as unconscious biases that make use do very small decisions that over a lifetime add up. I'll be the first to admit, if I am in downtown Akron. If I see a teenage to middle aged black man, my danger sense goes up. I know nothing of that man except that I am attaching statistics to him for my own safety. It's cowardice of me to do so.
  5. Because the article mentions they must feel miserable. There are two avenues for misery. Outward and inward. Outward being empathy for others, inward being shame. Shame serves no purpose. That is my point. So I guess the article and myself agree on that. I missed her point about wallowing and performative guilt. There is no meaning behind me reading shame other than I feel strongly that shame is a useless feeling.
  6. Yea, for the most part there is no competitive mechanism for the police. Even then, I am not a fan of electing judges or police officers to positions. There are stories of judges telling voters that they will dismiss traffic tickets or what not to get votes.
  7. The more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards a police downsizing. I do think that a police force of some level needs to exist. For example, I do not know how developing a more robust social services system can help when it comes to investigating violent crime. There seems to be enough stats to show that a lot of crime is linked to social economic status. http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/Does_age.pdf If the communities were supported and allowed to flourish then that should improve the crime rates. I do see the need to make take the pressure off the police to be the only point of contact with the social needs of the community. I can also see this becoming a bloody mess in the inner cities with hyper violent neighborhoods. I am not sure of the entire scope of what happened in Baltimore, but I remember them pulling the police presence out of west Baltimore. In the end, the murder rates in that area skyrocketed. So, there needs to be some ownership at the community level to get on board and not just take advantage of this situation.
  8. I want to make this point. In no way should white people be stuck in mental state of shame. They should feel empathy for their fellow human being being treated Floyd. They should feel empathy for the black community who have to suffer through a system that has disenfranchised them. They should feel motivated to do something about it. In my opinion shame is an useless feeling. Shame does not rally people do do anything. If you dig down into shame, it does nothing but keep people stuck where they are. Black people were trained to be ashamed of their heritage and their skin color. Parents have used shame as a way to control their kids. These kids become despondent. The white people who feel shame will do nothing but sit and wallow in their own self hatred with out improvement. Yes, the initial feeling could be shame, but it needs to be a fleeting moment that sets off alarms that the person needs to do something productive.
  9. A couple of podcasts I’ve listened to. ‎Ten Percent Happier with Dan Harris: #254: White People Talking About Whiteness | Eleanor Hancock on Apple Podcasts ‎Show Ten Percent Happier with Dan Harris, Ep #254: White People Talking About Whiteness |... ‎Ten Percent Happier with Dan Harris: #253: An Uncomfortable (But Meaningful) Conversation About Race | Lama Rod Owens on Apple Podcasts ‎Show Ten Percent Happier with Dan Harris, Ep #253: An Uncomfortable (But Meaningful)...
  10. So, "Don't hit it in the water" = "Hit it in the water" psychologically? I would say this is a no. I think he is backing this statement on that a lot of golfers get fixated on avoiding the hazard and this will cause them to then hit it in the hazard. I think it's more that golfers don't know how to accurately apply their shot zone into their game planning.
  11. I've had a love hate relationship with his videos. This one I found very compelling and well done.
  12. I voted no. How we word things can have a big impact on how we view things. Example, a person drives down the highway and someone cuts them off. The initial response is to get angry at them, and be upset for the next 10 minutes. A simple thought of, "What if that person was trying to get to the hospital because a loved one got hurt." will immediately throw a cold bucket of water on that anger. How we look at things can have a big impact on our emotional state. If one way of thinking imposes anxiety then that could have a major impact on what we want to do with the golf shot.
  13. I think for Black folks its also time to self reflect. Especially for those who hold a chip on their shoulder, who would be less receptive to White folks who are finally being honest and open. Coming together requires it be a two way street. Blacks can't assume it should be the Whites who do all the work. Work on both sides need to be done. Given, Whites finally need to start actually doing some work. I would say going on to discuss this would be off-topic. So, I will not respond to my views on what needs to be done with fixing the police. I believe this thread isn't about that.
  14. I think when he says keep politics out of it, it is more that we need to keep the polarization out of it by those who just want to be tribal in their political stance. Of course this is related to politics, how things have been governed in this nation has lead us up to this point. Yet, we can have a non-political discussion about how we should be self examining ourselves in this point in history and how we should move forward ourselves. If we keep shipping off responsibility into the realm of politics then nothing will ever change.
  15. I do not think anyone should feel shameful for sending their kids to the best school they can afford. The issue is the lack of funding for schools who have to scrape by. I understand that means the student will have less diversity in their education, but I think people can promote diversity in other ways. The evidence is staggering how much funding and resources matter to a persons education. Education and Socioeconomic Status Factsheet The impact of socioeconomic status on educational outcomes and reducing slow academic skills development, low literacy, chronic stress and... Just the fact that children from low social economical status are 5-years behind in literacy than those from high-income students is crazy. This has to do with school funding and also the parents may be not as literate. So, when the kid grows up they are hearing less words being used and maybe not told to read as much as they should.
  16. I remember my dad telling me once that my grandparents didn't believe that Blacks and White people should marry. Though, in a strange ironic situation, my grandma's favorite baseball player was black. She would be one of the few to cheer for him at an Indian's game. It's weird how people can hold two conflicting thoughts. I do not believe my grandparents were bigots or bad people. All the times I was around them they were nothing but respectful to everyone. They never made derogatory comments, but they just held a few outdated beliefs. It's just something they learned growing up, and it stuck with them. The older people get the harder it is for them to change. Unless a person is really good at breaking habits, there is some wonky programming that can get into people's head.
  17. Played 18 (scramble format) with 3 friends (who are not that good at golf). Struggled a bit today with my driver. My misses were eight pull draws or push cuts. The pull draws were good height, most of the push cuts were low. Irons were hit or miss. Sometimes I just miss them on the toe. Putting and pitching were good. I think I was over swinging a lot. When I shortened the swing, things started to clean up a bit, I'll get out to the range this week.
  18. Example, you own a business or you are a school superintendent. You see a black person with dreadlocks. They get called in and told they need to cut their hair. You have to ask, why? It’s probably because that look makes people feel uncomfortable. It makes people more comfortable if they dress and have style like a white person. It’s just subconscious tribal thinking in conformity.
  19. Also folks who purposely go to these peaceful locations to try to incite riots.
  20. I read a story from a woman who worked for the police, not actually a police woman. She said its like the good old boys club. There is a certain set of norms you must follow due to the culture in that particular police department. If you didn't act how the older cops wanted you to act then you would get ridiculed for it. I am not sure that is linked to a police union thing.
  21. I had dinner at my parents this evening and we had a discussion about this with my aunt. I was kinda surprised that my parents had a very open minded view on this. I thought it was good to talk about this issue, and how most of us has turned a blind eye to this. Its too easy to just go along with one's life and try to be ignorant of the world around oneself. Over the past week, I have been doing my best to expand my insight on this. I've been listening to podcasts from different points of view and started reading a wider range of material. Trying to finally get a clearer picture on the situation. I'm trying not to just go into intellectual mode when I read something. It's easy to just start compartmentalizing everything and loose the empathy for the situation. There needs to be some honest self examination. You don't have to come to the conclusion that you are racist, that isn't the goal. It's about trying to see if anything you are doing is just another drop in the bucket that is creating this systemic issue.
  22. Tiger Woods' handicap index history is as amazing as you'd imagine—but his peak year might surprise you | Golf World | GolfDigest.com That is a bit crazy sounding. Nearly averaging +10 for an entire year!!! YIKES!!!!
  23. Just going to try to explain some of the feels I had during the swing on the good shots. To expand on the swing feels I was trying for. I was using the left arm only drill, and trying to match that feel. I also tried to start my swing with my new swing trigger, a slight turn towards the target to make sure I feel like I need to turn my body to start the backswing. I didn't have much in the terms of downswing feel. I think that will come later if I want to change the ball flight. On the best strikes, the swing felt more fluid. Like things just flowed well from the top of the swing to finish. Also, the backswing felt like the swing stopped when my turning stopped. Which is good. As for the pitching. I would take two practice pitches were I feel like the club just drops straight down, hitting the ground way behind the ball. Then the third practice swing I try to keep that feel but pivot more. This helped me hit some really good pitch shots. For putting, I tried to be a bit more turn based. Imagine keeping the butt end of the club pointing more towards my stomach longer in the backstroke and forward stroke.
  24. I had my first night of league today. The back felt good. I ended up shooting a 42. I started off playing adventure golf. I could not hit a punch shot with my 5 iron. After my body finally found out how to swing again, things started going better. Pitching was surprisingly good. Putting was decent. Overall, not complaining about hitting mostly decent shots on the back 2/3rds of the round. My last drive of the 9 was really good. For the full swing, my preshot routine was doing the left arm only backswing drill. Then taking one more practice swing to feel like I was hitting that spot in the backswing. Then just focusing on hitting that spot in the backswing.
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