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Fourputt last won the day on March 8

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  1. Never heard of the system before reading this thread this morning, and I don't expect to see it in action any time soon. My home course in Denver has a set of fairly short tees now (about 5100 yards), aimed at both seniors and juniors, or anyone else who wishes to play from them. I've played a few rounds from the gold tees over the last couple of years just for fun. Most of the younger kids who play at Foothills stick to the par 3 course (holes from 80 yards to 200 yards) until they can hit a driver far enough for the regular course to be a reasonable option. I have seen a father with his son and he was setting his boy up at about 180 yards on the holes where the gold tees were still too long, but I've not heard of any plan to make any course changes to accommodate that.
  2. Bunker Sand - Firm or Soft?

    Me too. I even like wet sand that is a little bit packed. My local 9 holer is a nice little course, always in great shape, especially for being out in the boondocks, but it has zero bunkers. It was an informed decision to not include them when the course was last updated, simply because of the added maintenance costs. The course survives on a year to year thread, and something as seemingly small as a half dozen bunkers might have tipped the balance sheet the wrong way.
  3. Skins Game Question

    No matter how you flavor it, it IS cheating. When not managed according to the system used by others, it means those handicaps are not portable, which is the whole point of the USGA system. Handicapping in golf has been around for a long time, but it used to be purely a local thing. The handicaps maintained at Club A didn't work against players from Club B because there was no attempt to accurately rate the courses against each other. The USGA system is a relatively recent innovation, and was created specifically to make handicaps work no matter where one played or who he played against. The system certainly has it's shortcomings, but it still works miles better than no system, and that's what those clubs you refer to have. In a tournament with 100 players, if they aren't flighted by handicaps, then they aren't using the system the way it's designed to be used. My club would have 4 or 5 flights with that many players (most of our tournaments have 140-160 players, depending on format), and players would only be competing head to head within their flight.
  4. Skins Game Question

    Just an aside, but you are mixing your formats. There is stroke play and there is match play, and the USGA handicap system works fine for both when used per the manual. It works okay for a fourball as well as 2 man.
  5. Golf Goggles/Glasses

    My bifocals are small frames, and I can see the ball just fine at address looking over the top of the close vision part of the lens
  6. Golf Goggles/Glasses

    I have no problem wearing my bifocals on the course. I'd read of people having issues with them, but it hasn't been a problem. I also have a pair of prescription polarized sunglasses, just distance corrected, that I wear more for fishing than for golf. I've never been able to get comfortable with sunglasses on the golf course.
  7. Faster Greens = Slower Play

    You are a plus handicap so it stands to reason that fast greens aren't as befuddling to you as they are to a player of less ability. Up until about 5 years ago I preferred faster greens, but they are more problematic now simply because as I've aged, my touch on those faster greens has become less certain, especially on short putts. I mostly play 2 courses, the one where I play in Men's Club tournaments 150 miles from home, and my local 9 hole course. The tournament course has greens that roll 10.5-11, while the local course rolls about 8 (just an estimate, could be slower - I've never seen a stimpmeter around here). I putt better on the slow greens these days because I can be more aggressive, and a slight mistake in speed isn't as likely to result in a 5 or 6 foot comebacker. I don't putt badly even on the fast ones, but I'm less sure of myself for speed most of the time. I have to be careful not to overthink it and just let my 40 years of playing the course guide my instincts.
  8. Faster Greens = Slower Play

    My anecdotal comment may point to a contributing factor. What would you see as other changes that contributed to the general slowing of the game?
  9. Faster Greens = Slower Play

    While my observations are anything but scientific, I can say that the steady increase in green speeds on my home course (from 7 when I first started there to 10.5-11 now) through the 90's and into the 2000's directly coincided with steady increase in playing times in our Men's Club events. It got to the point where we had to institute our own pace of play policy, separate from the course's policy to police ourselves. That policy (with penalties imposed for breaches) has brought our playing times down to just an acceptable range, but still not where it was when I first joined the men's club in 1989. On some of the hot, dry days in July and August, and some pin placements can result in regularly 3 and 4 putting certain greens. I have seen times, fortunately rare, when every player in the group failed to hole out in less than 3 putts each. On one par 3 hole, the course has quit cutting the hole on the back tier on men's club tournament days because it increases the difficulty for every shot, not only putting. That hole (#4 on the course) used to back us up for 2 or 3 groups when the hole was in the back. Now there is rarely more than a brief wait while the group in front putts out. It's not as significant for general public play because so many casual golfers will just give themselves that 3 or 4 foot 3rd putt after missing the first 2, so they don't get into a 4 putt or 5 putt situation.
  10. Skins Game Question

    My experiences were with mixed caps, not all high caps against just one low. Any given group could have a 6, 10, 13, and 20 or similar random combination. With that sort of a mix, wheeling off the low guy worked for us. I've never said that one low cap against several high caps was a good idea.
  11. Skins Game Question

    What difference does it make? You will still be giving or receiving strokes per the handicap system, which is designed to work under those conditions. Your arguments, and Erik's, simply make no sense whatever to me. I once shot 73 as a 17 handicap. I also shot 104 as a 10 handicap. On the same course, 2 years apart in the club championship. Both were aberrations. I've never "cleaned up" as a bogey golfer in skins, that only happened when I was on top of my game. I have had days since my game dropped back to bogey when I didn't get a single skin, and I had the same thing happen as a 9-10 cap. I've played skins in the whole range, and I've played against players from 4 to 30 caps, in the same fourball. Never seen a relationship to winning or losing as long as we all had honest handicaps playing our typical games. When someone plays outside of his norm (better or worse, it happens both ways) , then you will get results that are outside of the mean.
  12. Skins Game Question

    Then those guy need to get tougher. If they go into a match thinking that they already lost, they might as well concede. I've played both skins and matches where I was giving as high as 25 strokes after zeroing my handicap. While it is a bit unsettling, you still have to play golf, as does that other guy. Get him down a couple of holes and the pressure on him to come back is a lot greater, and has a stronger negative effect on his play, than it should on the better player. I know that's true in general, I saw it happen too often to believe that a bogey golfer can play for bogeys and actually achieve that on a regular basis. For the last few years I've been that bogey golfer, and trying to come from behind, or trying to play conservatively to not fall behind, puts more pressure on my game than it can take these days. Trying to play safe is rarely a good situation for a bogey or worse golfer. Not to mention that most bogey golfers in my experience don't analyze their play that well. We simply don't hit the ball where we want to often enough to cash in on trying to play safe, especially under the pressure of trying to compete with a significantly better player.
  13. Skins Game Question

    You say that as if you expect the higher handicap to get strokes on every par 4. He won't (or at least he shouldn't unless you're giving him 18 strokes), and he is also more likely to bogey or double bogey most of those par 4 holes than he is to par them. Back when my handicap was a bit lower and I was usually giving strokes to my companions, I looked at those holes as an opportunity to win a skin. I generally felt that the advantage was mine. Once again, I'm not talking about me against a large field. In those weekly Wednesday morning casual rounds with 12-15 players, we still only played skins (usually $.50 skins) within our own fourball, we wheeled off the low man (which was sometimes me at 9-10, and I was often playing with a 25+, giving a lot of strokes), and I rarely came out on the short end of the skins bet. Whichever way the skins went on a given day, I rarely lost or won more than $5. Usually everyone in the group would win a couple of holes, so that way about half the holes canceled each other out. The more unusual outlier was the odd day when there would be carryover of more than 2 or 3 holes. Those days one player might clean up just because of that one win taking 5 or 6 skins, but that was a lot less common. I didn't have to birdie to to win a skin, and a good thing because I have never been a consistent birdie player. On days when I went out and made a lot of pars, I'd usually clean up on the skins game. We usually had several small stakes money games going during the round along with the skins, so there were plenty of other chances to win or lose a few bucks.
  14. If you could ONLY carry two wedges, which ones?

    Shows just how much difference in thinking and usage there can be from player to player. I use my 51° GW for at least 90% of my chipping and pitching around the green, so that club can never leave my bag. It's the only club from my old set of AP-2 irons that didn't get replaced by TM Aero Burners in the last bag update.
  15. If you could ONLY carry two wedges, which ones?

    My issue with trying to come up with an answer for this is that I don't see the PW as a wedge any more. It's a necessary part of my full shot arsenal because the loft is what a 9 iron used to be. The strengthening of lofts across the irons was a significant factor in creating the need for carrying more wedges. I use the PW the same as I did the 9 iron 25 years ago. I carry a gap wedge now that is really more equivalent to my PW in 1990. With that explanation, I would only take my 51° GW and 56° SW, but the club that is mistakenly called a PW (I see it as a 10 iron) would still be in the bag as the shortest "full" iron.

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