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Fourputt last won the day on March 8 2017

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  1. Fourputt

    Relationship Issues Messing with Game?

    Never had an argument bad enough to carry over onto the course. We generally talk it out pretty quickly after a spat and neither of us typically holds a grudge. She told me when she accepted my proposal of marriage that she was a bitch, so I'd better be okay with that.
  2. Fourputt

    Sand Traps - That's Not Right!!

    When I was in the Army the ditty was slightly different: "This is my rifle, this is my gun. One is for killing, the other's for fun." It's hole with a liner. Neither the hole nor the liner is a "cup". And the flagstick is not a "pin". I only worry about the distinction when discussing applicable rules, mostly to ensure clarity. When I'm playing with my buddies, "pin" and "cup" are terms we use most often by far. However, I use "bunker" pretty much all the time - it's just become habit for me. "Sand trap" just doesn't sound right to my ear - doesn't bother me when someone says it, I just prefer not to.
  3. Fourputt

    Music on the Course - When did this become a thing?

    I'm just thankful that nobody among the various guys with whom I play feels it necessary to have music. I really dislike it on the course. It's against the rules and it just doesn't belong on a golf course. There's something wrong it you can't be away from your music for a few hours to play a round of golf. The odds are also very good that we won't both have the same taste in music. Regardless, I don't even want to hear the music that I like while I'm playing.
  4. Fourputt

    Are you a brand snob?

    My bag right as of this moment: Titleist driver and gap wedge TaylorMade 5 wood, 7 wood, 6I-PW. Mizuno 3 wood Bridgestone hybrid (probably take that out as I never use it, but it's still part of my 14 right now) Cleveland CG 15 SW Golfsmith Enterprise putter I think that means I'm certainly not brand loyal, and not really a brand snob either.
  5. Fourputt

    Provisional Ball Ruling

    Mine too, and it is not even a private club... public course men's tournament club. For some strange reason, we thought that they documented all of the rules because they intended that they should all be used. What a silly idea!
  6. Fourputt

    Is pace of play (or slow play) a real problem?

    One quick OT comment then I'm done... I can do what I do in part because I don't play the back tees on any course any more. I'm almost 72, and for me, the difference in length between 3W and driver is not that great. I can't seem to get rid of the power fade on the driver, whereas I can do so with the 3W. I generally keep it between straight and about a 5 yard fade, while the driver can slice off line as much as 50 yards when the wind is wrong. If I can do it, I see no reason why any other player can't do similar. Part of it is psychological... I don't feel that I have to swing as hard with the 3W. That lets me keep the club under better control, I make better contact, the ball goes straighter, and I'm in better shape for the next shot, even if that next shot is still a 5W or 7W. At my age, I'm better with my fairway woods than I am with my irons. Keeping the ball in play keeps me moving at a better pace and makes for better scores.
  7. Fourputt

    A *Serious* Loss of Distance!

    I'm the opposite. I was never especially athletic - far more a nerdy type. I took up golf in a semi-serious way when I was in my 30's, although I'd payed a bit prior to that. I reached 10 handicap in 1990, when I was 43, and that without really doing much work for it, just playing on weekends, and a couple of half hour lessons during the 6 years prior. I remained at that point until I was in my 60's, my handicap moving back and forth between 10 and 12. I was a decent driver of the ball, but generally one club shorter with my irons than most of the guys I played with. I never knew how far I actually hit any shot until I got my first GPS, and I'm not really sure when that was, but I had to be near 60 or just over. At that time my typical drive was 240-250, but I hit several GPS measured drives over 300 yards between age 60 and 65, the longest at 323. Then we moved to an island in the Bahamas for 2½ years, and I played exactly 8 rounds over that entire period and the year after we moved back to Colorado. My game has never recovered fully from that nearly 4 year layoff. For me, that was a critical time in my golf game and when I got back to the game in 2015 at age 68, my swing sucked and my distance was off by 50 yards from what it had been in 2011. I've resolved myself to being shorter off the tee, and I'm gradually making sense of the disaster that my swing had become, but at age 72 (in 2 months), my game is what it is. I'll still play, still enjoy it, and I still play tournaments with my old men's club, even though I live 2+ hours away from Denver now (our last tournament for the year is this Saturday, 2 man better ball). I know that I will never be long off the tee any more, so I focus on getting better with my fairway woods. I now carry driver, 3½ wood, 5 wood, 7 wood, and they get more play than any irons except my wedges. I hit the 3W almost as far as my driver, because I can keep it straighter, so I play it quite often from the tee. For my game, accuracy still trumps length.
  8. Fourputt

    Is pace of play (or slow play) a real problem?

    I would disagree with this conclusion. Although it depends somewhat on the clubs themselves, all else being equal, a 3 wood or 4 wood is going to be more accurate than a driver, if for no other reason than you won't hit it as far, so it won't be as far off target when it comes to rest. Most bogey and worse golfers hit varying degrees of a slice, and when that is your typical ball path, it will normally be less pronounced with a fairway wood than with a driver. I speak both from personal experience and from observation of others over my 40 years of playing the game. I played 9 holes in a 35-40 mph gale on Friday, decided to leave the driver in the bag, and I hit 6 of 7 fairways off the tee with my 15° Mizuno 3 wood, most were against or across the wind (only the 150 yard par 3 8th hole was straight downwind). I also hit the green on the 195 yard uphill par 3 2nd, a hole on which I NEVER hit the green... only once in the last 2 seasons of league play. I like my weak 3 wood (call it a 3½ wood)... maybe not as long as a 13° wood, but easy to hit from a tight fairway lie and even from many rough or hardpan lies. It has long been one of my better club purchase decisions. I'm quite certain that my pace was better by not having to deal with the funky lies and brief searches that go hand in hand with playing a lot from the rough and worse.
  9. Fourputt

    Sand Traps - That's Not Right!!

    I agree. It's the dopes that do PGA tour broadcasts that never seem to get the message.
  10. Fourputt

    Is pace of play (or slow play) a real problem?

    I sort of work both ways on this. I will usually start a round with a single practice swing as part of my routine, mostly to rehearse the takeaway. I have a tendency to push the club out right from the start if I don't think about it. That results in an out to in, over the top swing which will cause either a slice to the right or a dead pull left, both of which are assured of screwing up a hole with the first swing. This tendency has become more pronounced since I've gotten older, starting to slide when I was in my early 60's. If I start my swing with my shoulders instead of my hands, so that the clubhead moves back on a straight or slightly inside path, I hit the ball more solidly, straighter and farther. If the swing feels comfortable after the first few shots, then I will often drop the practice swing for the remainder of the round.
  11. Fourputt

    14 rules of golf Etiquette

    Yes it is. Your divots should all be connected with no grass between them. That way you leave more of the hitting area undamaged for the next guy. With practice you can hit a full basket and only damage an area about 6" wide and a couple of feet long. After the first divot on fresh turf, set the next ball right on the back edge of that divot so that your next shot only takes 1" of grass, and continue to do that until you have a strip about 2 feet long, then move over just one divot width and do the same thing. You will be amazed at how many balls can be hit from a small area while always hitting from a grassy lie. This is especially important for right handers, simply because there are more of us. Nobody likes to be forced to take a hitting position that looks like a miniature battlefield with 50 or 60 separate craters leaving no decent place to put a ball.
  12. Fourputt

    Sand Traps - That's Not Right!!

    The difference between a fairway bunker and waste bunker is that courses with what they call "waste bunkers" don't treat them as hazards. You can move loose impediments, ground your club, etc., because it's no different from being in the rough. A regular bunker that happens to be somewhere along the fairway is a true bunker and is a hazard.
  13. Fourputt

    How does everyone organize their trunk?

    I drive a Ford F-150, Super Crew cab, so no trunk. I have a soft tonneau cover and I keep a couple of short bungee cords in the truck so I can clip the bag to a tie-down lug in the box to keep it from migrating to the front when hit the brakes. Other than that I don't do anything special. I keep a small duffel bag in the garage with extra clothing for when I play during the shoulder seasons when the weather is less predictable. I toss that in if the forecast is for something other than good weather.
  14. Fourputt

    Is pace of play (or slow play) a real problem?

    Playing by the rules is NOT a cause of slow play, or at least there is no reason for it to do so. I've played by the rules in 95% of my casual rounds and all of my competition rounds since 1989, and it has never made me a slow player. Part of it is actually knowing the rules well enough to immediately know your options and procedures without thinking or looking it up. I'm already thinking about what I'll need to do even before I get to my ball. I'm planning my next shot literally from the moment that my current shot stops rolling. The plan may changes as I get closer to the ball and see that the situation is a bit different from what I expected, but I'll still have a pretty good idea as I get out of the cart. I'll already have checked my distance (most players are far too picky about getting exactly the right yardage, even though they almost never hit it that closely), know what club I'm going to use, and generally how I'm going to play it. If I'm first to play, the time from arrival at my ball to ball in the air is less than 45 seconds, generally less than 30 seconds, because I've done most of the preparation before I get there. I very rarely take the full 5 minutes for a ball search. I will have already played a provisional ball, so once I determine that my best course is to continue with the 2nd ball, I abandon the original ball and play on. Generally no more than a couple of minutes lost. I know the rules for taking relief and how to drop, and it's usually done while others are playing their shots anyway, so no time lost at all there. Modify this when we have to wait on the players in front of us - I may take the full 5 minutes for a search if that doesn't result in my group falling behind. Next year the search time will be reduced to 3 minutes max, and even that is more than I usually spend on it.
  15. Fourputt

    Is pace of play (or slow play) a real problem?

    I've posted this before, and it seems appropriate here too: "Your proper position on the course is directly behind the group in front of you, not directly ahead of the group behind." Naturally it is adjustable on a course with only a few groups (there is obviously no reason to try and catch up with a group in front who started a half hour ahead of you) , but it does apply strongly to a fully booked course on a nice summer Saturday. If you do fall behind do to some issues with a certain hole, it is your responsibility to regain your proper position in a timely manner. 4 hours for an average fourball on a typical public course when it is just moderately busy is a good target pace. It's not the best pace possible, but it's one that all but the most picky speed players can live with. I played 9 holes a couple of days ago. I was the only person on the course, riding, and it took me about an hour, and I wasn't even pulling flagsticks when I putted. I'm a pretty fast player, and I'm not sure how I could have played any faster (3 times I played a second ball when the first one didn't do what I asked, but that is another minute on the round at most). The cold front that is currently moving across the plains was just edging into Colorado, and the wind was whipping about 35 mph, so I had 2 or 3 extra strokes when playing into that gale (I made one triple, one birdie,and 7 bogies). 18 holes would have taken 2 hours at that pace, and add in 3 more players, all dealing with their own issues along the way, and 4 hours would not be an exceptionally slow pace. I have played in a few minutes under 4 hours for 18 holes playing in a fivesome, but that was exceptional. Most of the courses with which I'm familiar post an expected pace of between 4:20 and 4:30 (those are supposed to be targeted maximums, not average rounds). I've yet to see a course which is expected to take more than 4½ hours to play, yet I've played a lot of rounds which took more that that because we couldn't move any faster than the group in front, and they were waiting on the guys in front of them, etc. Some of it is caused by overcrowding on weekends, some of it is players not really understanding how to play at a reasonable pace, but a lot of it is just players not being ready to play when they are up. Golf has always been a social activity as well as a competitive game/sport, but the social aspect must be tempered by paying attention to pace of play. There is plenty of time to chat when waiting on the tee, or when moving up the fairway. When you get to your ball, it's time to prepare to play, even while your companions are doing the same. I've seen an entire foursome play their second shots in under a minute once the first player hits. They do that by getting the planning done immediately when they arrive near their balls. As long as your ball isn't in a position to bother another player, There is no reason for you not to be ready to play your stroke immediately after he does. I will often be starting to address my ball while the previous player's ball is still in the air. Unless a ball is headed well off line, there is no reason for all 4 players to stand around and watch the roll-out of each ball. Be aware, be ready to play, and play ready golf.

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