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Fourputt last won the day on March 8 2017

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  1. Fourputt

    2018 Tour Championship - FedExCup Finale

    It pisses me off that I'm missing the chance to watch what could the last hurdle in Tiger's comeback. I'm here in SW Colorado, yesterday on the Durango-Silverton narrow gauge railroad Photographer's Special, today driving the Million Dollar Highway to Silverton, Ouray and ultimately to Gunnison. Won't drive home until tomorrow, and since all of yesterday was, and much of today will be, out of cell service, I'm sort of in a communications blackout. I'll be rooting for him anyway. Maybe tonight's hotel will actually have Golf Channel so I can at least see highlights.
  2. Fourputt

    14 rules of golf Etiquette

    Showing up less than 15 minutes before your tee time. No - I arrive at the course at least 15 minutes early for casual round, usually an hour early for tournament play. Putting with too many balls on the practice green. No - I use only 2 balls on the practice green. Failing to pick up the flagstick. No - I do this regularly Taking only one club to your ball on cart path only days. No - I take as many as I feel I'll need, and sometimes I only need one. Looking for a lost ball for more than five minutes. No - It's rare for me to search for more than 2 minutes for my own ball... for a fellow competitor... as long as he does, but not more than 5 minutes. Talking to someone else's ball. Stupid - not much else to say about this one. Standing behind someone as they putt. No - just a courtesy like not talking while he makes a stroke. Walking in a player's through line. Stupid - With 4 balls scattered around the green, I'm primarily concerned with the line of putt. That through line has been walked on innumerable times that day, and on the course where I play most tournaments, the greens are firm and fast - you would have to jump up and down with 400 pounds on your back to even begin to make an impression. I'm not Phil Mickelson, so simply don't worry about it. Placing bag on a tee box. No - but it's a stupid rule Walking across the green with your bag. No - another stupid rule... if a 165 pound guy carries his 30 pound bag across the green, is he doing more damage than the 300 pound guy walking without a bag? Lack of divot pattern on the driving range. No Not picking up on a match play hole when you're out of it. No - not usually a factor, since my matches are played on public courses with the regular flow of play, but I will pick up if it might get us to the next tee sooner. Checking your phone too much. No - I use my phone for my GPS, so I check it for each fairway shot, but that's it. Gimmes (failing to give, taking too many for yourself) No - Don't do gimmes except in a match, and then I just use my judgement as to whether it's the right act at the time. I agree. I worked as a starter for 5 years, and when the course is busy, a late arrival means that you lose your tee time. That next group may have timed their preparation to be ready just on time, and that is their right. I don't have the right to make them leave the practice green early just so that you can have the luxury of being late. You show up for your time or you get the next open slot, which may be 4 hours away. That's how it is on a busy public course. Nothing screws up a starter more than having a group show up to check in 5 minutes before they are supposed to tee off. In my case, I might have already given that time to someone on my waiting list of walk on players. I call a group to the tee 9 minutes before their tee time, and if you aren't checked in, I'll clearly state that if I don't see anyone in the group within 2 minutes, then that time is forfeit.
  3. Fourputt

    What tee to play from?

    Play whatever tees you get the most enjoyment from as long as you can keep up with the pace of play. If players are waiting on you, or you can't keep up with those in front, then you need to either change your playing strategy, or move to the next forward tee. That's really all there is to it, in my opinion.
  4. This has nothing to do with what you might say in casual conversation. It's about the rules of the game. The rule says "X", so you do "X". If you accidentally or intentionally do "Y" instead, you have breached the rule. Since each rule has a consequence attached, based on the possible advantage which could gained by a breach, you have incurred whatever penalty might be appropriate according to the nature of that rule. In this case the advantage to be gained could literally be the difference between winning the competition or finishing out of the money. Thus the penalty must be severe enough to reflect that potentiality. DQ is the only penalty which can simply and succinctly cover all of the possible advantages to be gained by noncompliance. This is such an easy one to get right. Your skill or experience level shouldn't have any effect on your compliance with this rule. Anyone in a serious competition (basically any competition played under the rules) should be taking steps right from the start to cover himself on this. Keep your own score, whether on a separate card, or on the marker's strip of the "official" card of the player for whom you are marking. I've played in such tournaments since 1989, and I learned to do this during the first couple of stroke play tournaments in which I participated. I always mark my score immediately after I mark for my fellow competitor. I compare what I wrote down to what my marker wrote in the clubhouse after we finish, and discuss with him any discrepancies, and he does the same with me. Only after that does the card get signed and returned to the committee.
  5. It has to do with honesty and integrity. It's also not exactly difficult to ensure that you return an accurate card. I also think that the if the penalty was milder that it could tempt some less than honorable persons to fudge their cards. Those people might see it as worth the risk if a 2 stroke penalty still let one finish in the money, whereas not getting caught would put you in or near the lead. DQ is harsh, but it's also very final.
  6. I'm not sure that the game would really be different in any significant way. Just the nature of the game and how it developed, I think that the evolution of golf would be much the same. I don't think that time spent playing has had a big impact until the last 15 years or so. I don't think that the general perception of the game would be any different. Costs might be slightly less, but since the game grew up around private clubs where golf was just a part of the overall experience, the cost of membership would not really change. Even as it moved out into the mainstream, the idea that it was an "elite" pastime would have been retained. Paying 1/3 less to play 2/3 as many holes in 2/3 the time might be a better idea, but I'm thinking that the cost per hour of playing time would still be about the same, so that's not really a factor in figuring value. There wouldn't be any 18 hole rounds to compare with, so that relationship can't be added into any equation. The time savings would matter to some (even though they wouldn't know that they are saving time since there has never been an 18 hole round to weigh it against), but most don't take up golf with time as a consideration. If it ultimately becomes a factor as they move on in life, 9 holes isn't that much less than 12. So my answer is no, I don't think it would have made a significant difference. Golf would still look much as it does now, probably with the same discussions about the same topics, only starting from a slightly different perspective. I hope that fence isn't a pointy picket type... I'd rather be sitting on a nice rail fence.
  7. Fourputt

    3 Club Tournament

    I never take a putter for these tournaments because it's too limiting. My general choice is 5W, 7I, and PW. That can change somewhat depending on how long the course is set up to play. Usually when I've played in that sort of tournament, they play a shorter tee, so depending on that, I might modify the last 2 clubs to 8 iron and gap wedge. The 5W is a constant for me since it replaces driver, fairway wood, and putter. I don't think that I've ever been beaten by anyone who selected a putter for this sort of competition, because that leaves too many holes in their arsenal - too limiting for me.
  8. Fourputt

    Holed or no?

    As long as the movement of the ball is only a result of straightening the flagstick, it is considered holed. You are also allowed to straighten the flagstick before playing your stroke (from off the green), but if the flagstick needs to be held to keep it straight, then it is being attended and must be removed before the ball strikes it. Around here, the wind blows so constantly that the socket in the hole liners tend to wear and the stick will not stand straight unless it is tended. The 9 hole course near my home operates on a tight budget, so they use the liners as long as possible, resulting in some pretty wobbly pins after a couple of years. With the new rules next year, you will be able to leave the flagstick in the hole when putting too, so this condition may occur more frequently. It's good to know how to proceed with it.
  9. Fourputt

    Trying to figure out if this is a joke??

    There is all sorts of nonconforming golf equipment available - clubs, balls, distance measuring devices, etc. This has been the case for decades. It pays to check it out if it looks too strange or unfamiliar, or you could end up getting booted from a tournament for using something like that.
  10. Fourputt

    Holed or no?

    One bit of advice, don't just pull the flagstick from the hole. Straighten it and let the ball drop into the hole, then you can remove it without worry. If you yank it out and knock the ball away from the hole, then you haven't holed out. If the ball is not allowed to fall into the hole, then it takes another stroke to hole out.
  11. Fourputt

    "GOLFING" - is it a word?

    I don't know that it's an irritant, but for clarification I use "playing companion" to refer to a member of my group when there is no match or competition involved. As a long time rules aficionado, I like to use correct terminology when possible so that I don't have to explain my explanation.
  12. Fourputt

    How Do You Add Up Your Score?

    I add them 2 holes at a time to get a total score. Nothing else means anything to me for score or for handicap purposes. Card: 4,6,5,4,3,6,5,5,4 - I'd add 10+9+9+10+4=42. I look at 2 single digit numbers and it's easy to "see" the total of those 2. Been doing it like that for 40+ years.
  13. Fourputt

    How Do You Add Up Your Score?

    Just the numbers. Never done it any other way and never seen anyone else do it any other way. Why complicate it? I took 6 strokes, I write down a 6 - it doesn't get any simpler.
  14. Fourputt

    "Rules" other players have told you

    I realize that, but I've been in a situation where the reference point for a drop was questioned by someone who didn't have a good angle to see the line of flight and thus the drop was not only questioned, but taken to the committee and had to be reviewed out on the course where the incident took place. This is why I like to clarify the point when it comes up.
  15. Fourputt

    "Rules" other players have told you

    Actually, line of flight does come into play in determining the point of reference for deciding where to drop when a ball is lost or unplayable in a water hazard. The point on the line of flight where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard is your reference point. Once that point is established, line of flight no longer figures into the process.

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