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  1. LeftyWhiff

    Foursome Scorecard

    I have an etiquette question, but there may not be a standard answer for it.I play in two groups. One keeps a common scorecard and we report our scores to the person in the 4-some keeping score per hole. We also show an interest in one another's game and round. It's a great group to play with. The other group doesn't keep a common scorecard, ever, and some don't claim to keep score at all. The first group is obviously more serious. Anyway, an associate was invited to play in the more serious foursome and refused to report his score to the group's scorekeeper at the first hole. None of the regulars said anything about it, but there was an odd distance in the round not common for this group. What's the etiquette here? If the convention is a common scorecard for the group, should golfers share their score with the group, especially when they are invited to play with them? On one hand, what difference does it make? We weren't betting, certainly not with a relative stranger in the group. If someone wants to put up a fantasy score, let 'em have it. On the other hand, not sharing with folks who invited you to play with them seems rather chicken-shit and stand-offish. Of course, when we play with strangers, noone shares scores per hole or uses a common scorecard. I generally have a good time playing with strangers this way--low stress and you learn a lot about new people and golf stuff. What's the convention, opinion on this?
  2. Effington

    Driving Range Etiquette Question

    Hi guys, I was at the range today and a couple spots over from me, I notice a guy, looked like he had a decent swing. His practice swing was very nice and smooth, but when he set up in front of the ball, his downswing seemed to double in speed. His swing still looked decent (and although I didn't see how the ball traveled), the practice swing looked markedly better than the real thing. Now, I'm not a good golfer so I'm not an authority to give advice, but I kind of wanted to mention my observation to him. After thinking it over a bit, I decided to mind my own business, but I am wondering--would it be poor etiquette to mention it to him? I think I'd appreciate an observation like that if I were in his shoes, but he may not feel the same.
  3. My shoulder isn't 100% and it's going to rain, but f*** it I'm going golfing tomorrow.

  4. I think most of us know that you cannot stand on the extension of the line of play or putt of someone on your side (your caddie cannot stand there, you cannot stand there for your partner's shot, etc.). It's also poor etiquette (it's in the Rules' "Etiquette" section) to stand on the line of putt of anyone else, but that's also pretty common sense. It's also poor etiquette to stand really close to a fellow competitor while they're playing a shot. Again, most people know that. They also know you're not supposed to distract another player, and so on and so forth… But what's perfectly legal is to stand behind (i.e. basically on the extension of the line of putt behind the ball) to observe a player hitting a putt. In fact, I will advise my college players to do this, under the condition that they're WAY back so as not to possibly distract the person putting the ball. I also advise them that if the player asks them even once to move, that they step to the side enough to satisfy (and stop standing there the rest of the round), and then do the usual dumb dance where players rush in to stand on that extension of the line right after the stroke is made. What I don't get is how people are upset by this. Yet it happens. For example… My player has an eight-foot putt from 6:45. His fellow competitor has a ten-footer from 7:15. My player stands 30 or 35 feet back of the player, unmoving. In that case, I think he's in the clear. Hell, someone could stand 10' back of me, on a 10' putt, and I'm not gonna notice them if they're still and silent. 30' is more than enough room. But people feel like this is "cheating," somehow. Many people, despite me saying "I think most of us know…" above, think that the rule is actually the opposite: that your partner can stand there, but your opponents cannot. I've heard "that doesn't make sense - why should your opponent or fellow competitor benefit but your partner cannot?" when I've told people what the rule actually says. IMO, standing 30' back is better than standing 10' back and 3' to the side… and then rushing to step in behind the line when the player hits the putt. I wouldn't care. Sometimes you get lucky, and you "get a read" from someone. I'd rather someone stand still 30' back (or even 15' back) than stand close by but eager to jump in behind me to watch my ball roll. Hell, I honestly don't care where they stand so long as it's not in my field of view. But some people are uptight about this. As with most things, I feel I understand both the nature of the rules and the rules themselves. I understand and appreciate the unwritten rules, too, I feel. This practice violates neither - I'm not advising anyone to stand anywhere near where someone can see them, and they move less than someone who steps in from just behind. Yet players object to this more than seems normal to me, and I'm trying to understand why. And also, perhaps a little, to point out that you too can stand there (and that if you do that with me, so long as I can't see you or hear you, I couldn't care less).
  5. Billsy

    Trump Drives Cart on Green

    This is the worst example of abusing power and ownership. What example does this set for new golfers and youngsters. Shows ZERO respect for the men and women who care for that golf course so others may enjoy fabulous conditions. THE WORST
  6. Steve Williams was very mad about having Adam Scott hit from a bad lie in an "unraked" fairway bunker. I would not want to be that guy. Did Steve ever find the bunker raking slouch? I agree with Adam Scott's caddie, this should not happen. They are professionals - right?
  7. What makes someone a person you love to play golf with? And, are you one of those people? Years ago, when I subscribed to golf magazines, I read an article that really stuck with me (Be the Most Popular Guy in Your Group, Golf magazine, linked below). It really got me thinking, and doing some honest self-evaluation. I knew I’d always had high, and often unrealistic, expectations for myself, and could let it get to me if not performing the way I thought I should be. But, was I a bad guy to play with? Using that article as a catalyst, and building on it since then, I’ve formed some little principles that I try to stick to. Yeah, I’ll always be a work in progress, but I do feel like I’ve come a long way. Some are directly from the article, and others - things that just feel common sense - I adopted on my own. They're generally non-competition-geared, but can adapt, I think. Let me know what you think, and add some of your own: Relating to the game, pace of play, and good group etiquette: Be a good “pace of play” guy/gal that fits the group’s pace well, but keeps things moving along - never be the slow guy Have an extra tee, marking coin, or maybe even a ball on hand to toss a playing partner (PP) in a pinch If you can tell they're looking for one, give 'em a yardage if you have an accurate way to do so Be the "sharp eye" of the group, helping mark your PP’s wayward ball to a specific spot, stake, tree, object, etc. And be doubly as keen in marking your own! Be their caddie from time to time: Fill/repair their divot, if the situation has you idly near them (say, at the cart with the mix bottle); this improves pace since they're busy posing, watching, etc., and sets a nice course-respect example, too! Same with pitch-marks on the green - if you're near their ball mark, repair it along w/yours. I'll even rake a trap after a PP's bunker shot, if it makes pace-sense (and doesn't make me come across as a weirdo ) Personality & Attitude: Take the game seriously (we're all there to play good golf), but not too much, because, really, nobody likes 'Mr. Serious' Keep a sense of humor, even when – perhaps especially when – you, or the group, aren’t playing their best Don't be a sulker! Ever! This is my #1, given my old habits. I’ve learned to refocus, and be enjoyable to be around even if I’m playing poorly, including my demeanor, body language (especially), comments, etc. If I'm playing poorly, or just in a bad stretch, I self-check, give a quick, single, humorous apology about the current state of my game (just one!) and try to find a way to have a good time, regardless of my play Never, ever frickin’ throw a club, or verbal/cart-punching tantrum! When I see my PPs do this, I'm embarrassed for them, and if they do it as a guest at my home club, they won't get invited back. I last threw a club when I was 19 or so, a brand new S2H2 8-iron, and it got stuck high in a tall Alabama pine and hung there for all to see for nearly a week (until a storm). I had no 8-iron, and had to give a painful explanation to my dad. Never again! Buy the group a round of drinks from the snack cart, or post-round! Most times, it’ll be reciprocated later…but don’t do it with that expectation - just do it! I'm one cheap dude, and I can pull it off. Be generally positive and encouraging with the group as a whole; recall some good shots they've hit in the past, or the things you like most about their game. And be generous (but genuine, and not over the top) with compliments. Compliment: "Man, I love how you hit those knock-downs...you've got 'em down to a science." Humorous compliment: "Man, you have eyes like a hawk in reading these greens...now if you could only putt." Encouragement: "Dude, don’t sweat it. I've seen your A-game...trust me…you’ll get it back.” Humorous encouragement: "Dude, don't sweat it. I've seen your A-game...trust me...you'll get it back. (pause) Actually, you know what?, I was thinking of Brad, there...my bad. But keep at it." And a final, critical, overarching rule in applying all of the above: Be “cool” about how you do these things - don't try too hard! Else, you'll just come across as a seriously weird dude So, what are some of the things you guys enjoy about your favorite playing partners, or that you try to do in order to be a great playing partner? Links: Be the Most Popular Guy in your Golf Group (written probably 10+ years ago, so pardon some of the dated references) How to Be a Great Golf Partner (another relevant article I found this week (Golf Digest, December 2015) - with an approach from more of a competitive/team perspective, but still with some great points) BamaWade
  8. So Saturday I was playing a cancer charity scramble. I am usually a filler who is used to round out a team. So as usual I played with 3 strangers, 2 who knew each other. We finished the front 9 at 4 under and it started to rain, and rain and then rain some more. Then the thunder and lighting passed through so the course kept us in the club house until the storm passed. During this time 1/2 of my team baled because they had been out drinking all night. The remaining guy was on the fence as he had a 3 hour drive home. I told him repeatedly "if you have to go, go" as I could jump in to round out another team. It seems a bunch of people left leaving alot of 3's on the course. But he said he would stick around and we would each play 2 balls for the remainder of the scramble. We get the 10th Tee and there is 3 groups in front of us teeing on. My partner starts hemming and hawing about his drive home. I told him "do what you have to do". So when we were on deck, he shakes my hand and takes his bag and leaves. now I am a team of 1 in a 4 man scramble. I begin talking to team in front of me explaining what has happened. I told them I felt it was unreasonable for me to go out of hit 4 balls all by myself, but I would just go play a round of 9 since I was already there. The group offered to let me play with them this way I would not be alone and they could verify my score. Otherwise what is to stop me from getting an eagle on every hole? So I joined up with the team in front of me and I let them play their scramble and I played only 1 ball. Finished the back nine +4, bringing my "team" score to even. I later spoke to the director of the tournament who indicated had I known ahead of time he could have placed me with another group. No matter, because -14 was the winning score and I was there for the fun. However considering I played 9 holes within the rules of Golf and I had people there to verify my score. Can I post my 9 solo holes to my handicap?
  9. Think about this not uncommon scenario: A golfer hits his approach onto the front of the green with a back pin, where the next tee is just beyond the green. Typically, what I'm assuming most would do, is walk and push their cart around the green to the back, near the next tee, then grab their putter and walk through the green (obviously careful to avoid others lines) back towards their ball and then go through their putting routine, whatever it may be. So, throwing out the persons putting routine, since everybody is different, what we have is a person effectively walking the length of the green twice, right? Now, consider if that person was allowed to push their cart through the green. I would presume that they'd just park it next to their ball like they do on the rest of the course. Again, throwing out the putting routine, now what we have is a person walking the length of the green once and pushing their cart the length of the green once, correct? Clearly, this could do nothing but speed up play, right? Slightly, at best, in the cases of quick players with decent etiquette, but likely more for slow players or those with poor etiquette and no foresight, who may have left their cart in front of the green in my original scenario. "But, duh, it's not really a good trade off here when we're sacrificing course conditions for faster play. Who wants to play fast on chewed up greens?!?!" That's certainly the first reaction of most, but does it make sense? What does an average golfing male weigh? 200 pounds? OK, so think about it. A 200 pound man, walking the length of the green twice versus a 200 pound man walking it once while pushing his cart once as well. In the first scenario, each step is exerting something close enough to 200 pounds of pressure, often through shoes with spikes of some kind on the bottom of them, for two runs of the green, whereas in the second, he's doing it once and the cart is doing it once. Well, how much does a cart weigh? Certainly nothing close to 200 pounds. 50, maybe? If its soaking wet. AND the pressure is even distributed over THREE wheels that are always on the ground. So, maybe at most, we're talking about 20 pounds of pressure exerted on the ground through smooth wheels. I'm thinking that the cart is doing a heck of a lot less damage to the green than the man. Not to mention that with the cart there is no risk of feet-dragging either. So why is the idea of carts/trolleys on the green shunned so easily? I think we should reconsider.
  10. Good morning fellow TST members. How is everyone today? Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving weekend and had the opportunity to play some good golf. Friday morning I went golfing as a single player and got paired up with two other gentleman, a son and father. It was a very busy course and I was not the only one to think of heading out on Black Friday to play golf instead of fighting with the masses over discounted materials. On the first tee the son hit good distance but was left hand side, the father hit average also left hand side. I teed off last with them already in their cart and knocked a good one out there straight. My second shot I duffed straight about 80 yards on the ground but so did they. I put my ball on the green about 20-25 feet away and drained a putt to save par. They got bogey and double bogey or both got double bogey I can't remember. At the second hole they were ahead of us and got out the cart and the son immediately teed up his ball to hit, I am not a stickler on etiquette, especially considering I am there to have a good time and being that I am paired up with them I didn't say anything. We play the hole out and come up to a par three. The father hits and makes the green pin high about 10 feet away, I hit and make the green (kidney shaped green) about 25 feet away. The son's ball landed in the curved rough part of the kidney shaped green but much closer to the hole than I was. The dad walked up to hold the stick, the son looks at his ball and is not even ready and looks at me as he is standing in front of the ball between the pin and crouched down. I thought I was okay to putt and did so, laying up decently. The kid then plays his chip on. We finish out the hole and the son (lower 30s in age) kindly pulls me aside and tells me "Hey, I want you to know that I don't mind but so you know in the future you never, ever putt until all players are on the green...etc., etc....." He then goes on and on about it in a polite way, trying to instruct me in the courtesies of the game. I found it to become a bit overbearing but I understand it was in the spirit of good faith and sportsmanship and helping a newbie player out with the intricacies of the game. Hey, when a guy who says he grew up on a country club gives you an etiquette tip and is helping you out, you should pay attention, and you should appreciate it. Some time later on the back nine his father did the same thing and he didn't say a word about it. (As an odd side note on Saturday night as I was watching the Australian Open that exact same scenario came up and a player putted before another chipped on, and the announcers made mention of it. So is it a breach of etiquette in a friendly round to have done what I did?) The thing that I found the most interesting however was that this person, apparently a player of the traditional courtesies and gestures of golf didn't ever stay on the tee box until all players teed off. He didn't give honors where honors were due to the person scoring the lowest score on previous hole, AND, to top it all off, this person eventually wound up hitting into a group still off to the side of the green about two holes later. We called out fore when it hooked and landed near them. Lo and behold we did get a visit by a marshall for his action (the group ahead did overreact a bit and they lied and said we/he had hit into them numerous times, which was not true). Afterwards this persons game rapidly devolved, he was angry and not able to control his emotions. I felt bad for him because we were out there to enjoy ourselves and he let that get in the way of a good time. I said something to him on the next tee box (maybe I should not have) that we were out there to have a good time and not to let it get to them. F them in fact! Well by the 13th tee or so, our country club raised champion was not even playing what I would call golf. Took a mulligan for an errant tee shot. Didn't like his second shot (fourth) from where it was, dropped another ball and hit. He did this a number of times. On one hole he hit into a fairway bunker, his second shot out of it caught the lip, ball rolled back a bit and he just dropped a ball where he stood, struck it to the same effect. Picked up his balls and didn't play the hole out. This happened several times, and on the last hole when his second drive also went OB he picked up and didn't even finish the hole. After the etiquette pep talk he gave me as well as his country club bred credentials I would have expected more, but that day he let a few things ruin his day. Lesson to be had: If you are playing a $37 dollar course, lighten up, and never, ever, ever, ever hit into a group ahead of you because it can ruin your whole day. I really enjoyed playing with the dad and would play again with him if ever saw him.
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