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  1. We've had an unusual amount of storms and rain in upstate New York the last few weeks and the courses are saturated. I really struggle with ball contact in such conditions, much worse than usual. I guess I'm looking for quick fixes or basic stock advice. How do people adjust their swing to play better under such conditions? Should I swing with a more sweeping motion, or steeper into the ball? What do people normally do to play better under such conditions?
  2. Hello all, I am brand new here and I guess my screen handle sums up the mood I was in on creating my account. That said, I've been taking lessons recently. Then, began hitting it better. I have even begun hitting driver somewhat consistently after having not been able to drive the ball for over a decade (wish I took a lesson sooner). I made the first two birdies of my life... Yes!! I went out and got a new set of irons I love because I got tired of playing with game improvement shovels. I got fitted for them. Hit many many many balls during the two part fitting process. Trajectory was great. Dispersion was good - considering continual work on my swing would narrow that range... Overall, it felt real good. Came home with new clubs yesterday - excited! It rained so I couldn't hit the range immediately after completely my purchase. Went out this morning and the only club I was able to hit was the AW (didn't try any other wedges or short irons). My driving was beyond horrible. I went from finally hitting 250 and straight to topping the ball 10 and 15 yards. These weird low 60 yard slices... 7 iron (the same club I fell in love with during fitting) was equally bad and the best shot I could manage was a 110 yard slice... Has anyone else every experienced taking lessons, getting much better, then regressing to the point where you can't advance the ball without a putter? I got so angry and frustrated while embarrassing the holy crap out of myself at my CC that tears literally welled up in my eyes. Smh. Can anyone relate? Thanks for listening.
  3. If you'll allow, I'd like to stray from the "op/ed" nature of this column for a moment to cover the "positions" or "Ps" in the golf swing. For many this will be review, but many will hopefully learn about these "positions" in the golf swing. Update 2012-02-23: In the 5 Simple Keys® (5SK) world we've chosen to call these the alignments in the golf swing, as we wish to put less emphasis on "positions" and view them more as checkpoints at which some measurements might be taken. I'll choose Charlie Wi for many of the pictures simply for consistency's sake and because I know this particular swing illustrates something at A6. A1 - Address Very simple one to understand, as A1 is the setup or address position. You can judge things like posture and overall setup, ball position, handle location (too close to the thighs, leaning back or forward too much), the hang of the arms, weight location (toes/heels as well as forward/back). A2 - Shaft Horizontal (Backswing) This position allows you to look at how quickly the shoulders are turning, how quickly the wrists are hinging/cocking, how much the wrists and forearms are rolling, whether the head is translating or staying relatively stable, how much the shoulders have turned, etc. This is one of the somewhat "looser" positions because the wrist cock will determine the location of A2. For example, Charlie Wi hits a fairly normal A2 position (albeit one with a lot of depth): But Rickie Fowler's A2 looks funny because he doesn't roll his forearms at all in the start of the backswing: Steve Stricker sets his wrists later, so the shaft "ascends" more slowly and "arrives" at A2 a little "late." Late wrist sets will tend to look like the club has been taken more inside or under than it really has, and early wrist sets will tend to look the opposite. A3 - Lead Arm Horizontal (Backswing) When the lead arm is parallel we can check the wrist cock (typically around 90 degrees), we can check the shaft plane and the plane of the hands (where are they coming out of the body - base of the bicep? Top of the shoulder? Mid-way?), we can check relative shoulder turn (some people stop turning here, some haven't turned enough because they've just swung their arms back). We can check the head, the shoulder pitch becomes evident down the line, and more. Note that Rickie's backswing is a product not of quickly cocking the wrists but of allowing very little rotation of the forearms or wrists ("accumulator #3" in TGM). His left arm to shaft measurement at A3 is only 107 degrees). Of course, Steve Stricker's is even more: A4 - Top of the Backswing Wherever this player reaches the top of the backswing, that's A4. Note that a shaft isn't necessarily "laid off" if it points left of the target before the shaft reaches horizontal, nor is it surely "across the line" if it is pointing right but past parallel. Many things can be checked at A4 - wrist conditions, shoulder tilt, any translation off the ball, plane, right elbow flex, left arm position, weight/pressure/CG location, etc. A5 - Lead Arm Horizontal (Downswing) This position can tell us many things as it's early enough in the downswing that a player can still make changes much more easily to affect A6 and A7. How far "in" is the left arm? What's the shaft done based on the wrist conditions? How's the right elbow working - towards the belt buckle or staying behind the rib cage? Have the hips begun going forwards? Has the head started tipping back? What's the plane of the shaft like? Note that in Rickie Fowler's case, "lag" appears excessive but it's an optical illusion. He's simply "laid the shaft down" so much that the face-on view is not a good indicator of lag. See the blue lines on the left? Imagine they represented his left arm and clubshaft. Imagine he rolled his left forearm and wrist enough to lay the shaft down that much. Look at how much "lag" it would appear he has from the face-on view! In reality, "lag" should be measured from perpendicular to the plane containing the three points: left shoulder, left wrist, clubhead. It might surprise you to know that Rickie doesn't have a ton more lag than good ol' Steve Stricker, but the camera position and the "laying the shaft down" throws you off: A6 - Shaft Horizontal (Downswing) A key position. There are a lot of things you can check here, but one of the keys is where the clubhead is relative to the hands. Charlie is pretty well "on-plane" here: Note the two lines I've drawn. If your clubhead appears beneath or inside of your hands - the location of the green line - you're quite likely going to send the path of the golf club out to the right. If your clubhead is outside your hands or above the plane like in the right, you're quite likely sending the clubhead path left. The clubhead in the red case is "over the top" of the hands plane - one of a few definitions for that term ("over the top"). Though A6 is highly sensitive to camera position, it's clear that Steve Stricker is going to "hit out" at this ball, while Rickie Fowler - despite "laying the shaft down" heavily from P3.5 to P5 - is coming down pretty well on-plane. Skipping ahead a little bit, I think this picture will make a little sense to people. I've traced the clubhead in both Steve Stricker's swing and Charlie Wi's (Rickie's is similar to Charlie's). As you can see, the tangential line at the bottom of the swing arc in Steve Stricker's swing - called the "base plane line" or "base line" - is pointed well to the right. If you imagine creating a plane on the arrows, the base of it would rest along the blue arrow. Charlie's (and Rickie's) plane is much more "at the target" than Steve's. Steve Stricker plays a ball that pushes and draws a little, and catches the ball just in front of of low point to help the clubhead go a little left to take some of the draw curve off of his golf ball. Final note on P6: good golfers tend - nine indeces on downward (with increasing frequency) to get "under" plane or "stuck" (hello, Tiger Woods!), while poor golfers tend to be "over." A7 - Impact Things to look for here are fairly obvious: clean contact, clubhead traveling in which direction (ideally +/- a few degrees), handle leaning forward an appropriate amount (0 to 10 degrees, rarely more; less with the longer clubs, more with the shorter ones), etc. A8 - Shaft Horizontal to the Ground on Follow-Through A9 - Lead Arm Horizontal to the Ground on Follow-Through In virtually every golf swing, the shaft is horizontal to the ground before the lead arm, but the two are sometimes very closely timed. These images are from before A8 and A9, but honestly, A8, A9, and A10 are almost never used in discussing the golf swing because they're simply an indicator of what's come before. They are however quite useful in instruction, as a student modeling a position at A8 or A9 will introduce changes to his motion prior to A7 which will have (if the instruction is correct) positive results. A10 - End of Swing Again, debatable, but for all practical purposes, A9 is almost never discussed. It's too easily "faked." :-)
  4. My shoulder isn't 100% and it's going to rain, but f*** it I'm going golfing tomorrow.

    1. nevets88

      nevets88

      Go for it!

  5. Hello Golfers, I've only been playing golf for a couple years and I can't seem to get my golf swing down. I've been too proud and or embarrassed to ask for lessons or help but I'm at the point where I need some help. My uncle said his two friends were using golf improvement books, My uncle and his friends swear by these books and start they are 10x cheaper than lessons. I want to know if I should invest in getting lessons from my CC Pro and order some of those "improve your golf swing" books. Can I please get some feedback? Thanks & happy golfing
  6. Today I came across to this video and just wanted to share it with you guys Her swing looks great!
  7. follow through - (in golf, baseball, and other sports) continue one's movement after the ball has been struck or thrown. In dictionary, 'follow through' is defined as above. please pay attention to the verb, continue. Are you doing enough of follow through? Do you truly follow hrough enough and finish the swing like the soaring eagle? It sometimes helps us a lot if we keep the image of powerful picture or object. Thanks.
  8. This stuff really intrigues me.....there is more real science out there on the golf swing than you might think. I started another thread for an article on movement variance....and then I found this article.....and then some others. So I decided to start a catch-all thread. Moderators feel free to add the other article to this thread if you think it's necessary. Anyway, to start the ball rolling..... Here is a link to a paper by Bob Grober, PhD. Bob is an adjunct at Yale's department of applied physics. He has done a lot of study on tempo in the golf swing, and even sold a product called "Sonic Golf," which was reviewed here in a Sand Trap thread. The paper caught my eye because we have noted in other threads the issue of variation in golf swings. The counter-intuitive or surprising finding that even crappy golfers have "repeating" swings has been noted. The recent thread on this showed a handicap golfer making two virtually indistinguishable swings, which produced wildly different results. In the paper there are three graphs which represent the swing duration measurements of three groups of golfers: Tournament professionals, teaching pros/high level amateurs, average/chopper golfers. I wish I could put the tables right in this post, but I can't. The essence of it is, however that the variability of backswing and downswing duration gets progressively greater as the skill level of the golfer decreases. Touring pros had extremely consistent swing durations, while choppers were all over the map, and the teaching pros somewhere in between. It's a good read. Most of the article is fairly basic (although beyond my immediate understanding....I was never great in physics) Newtonian mechanics, modeling the golf swing as a harmonic oscillator (HO). An HO is a system where a force is applied to a mass, which is connected to a spring, and the mass moves to and fro. The system is such that the duration of the oscillation remains THE SAME no matter how much force is applied. It's been shown that the duration of expert golfers' swings are basically the same no matter what club they play and often whether or not they are playing a full or a partial shot. In the biomechanical model, the Mass component is the club, the arms, and torse (maybe the legs too?), and the spring is the combination of biomechanical elasticity and the muscle patterns that govern the endpoint of the swing and the transition to downswing, etc. More geeky stuff for your reading pleasure.... Please feel free to add any studies in this thread that you think are interesting.
  9. Our discussion in another thread about the consistency of all golfers' swings was very interesting, and enlightening I think for most of us. In the discussion, we agreed that if golf swings were essentially repeating and consistent for all golfers irrespective of skill level, but that results obviously varied significantly across skill levels, there must be some variability somewhere in the poor golf swings that isn't immediately recognizable on standard video. We used the terms "macro" and "micro" to illustrate this; we said all of our swings are consistent on the "macro" level, but that the worse you are at golf, the more inconsistent your swing is at the "micro" level. This got me thinking about whether anyone has studied this, and of course, someone has. And as you might imagine, the studies come from our friends in the UK, the home of golf....appropriately so, I think. This paper is a collaboration of scientists from Leeds University in England and University of Limerick in Ireland. It's not what you might expect from an article on the golf swing....it's highly technical and it isn't easy at first to see how it applies to how we play golf or how golf is taught, but I think it's very interesting reading. I put it here instead of the swing or instruction forums because it's really more a geek thing than a golf thing. But I think this kind of research will someday help us a great deal in showing us how to go about teaching and learning golf. The study looked at the variability from swing to swing for expert golfers (hcp </= 5), and correlated that variability with the variability of outcome of the flight of the ball. For this study, they used ball velocity as the outcome measure. The measure of variability was extremely high tech; a three dimentional motion analysis of multiple points on the body, including two on the head, and several on the upper torso and several more on the legs and feet. The study found that there was no correlation between the variability of the golfers' swings and the variability of their outcomes. In other words, even though each golfer's swing varied from swing to swing with regard to how each body part moved, the variability of these movements did not predict variability of the outcome. Stated yet another way....they weren't able to determine that consistency or lack of it among any specific body part predicts anything about the result of a shot. Read! Enjoy! Talk amongst yuh-selves. Tucker et al (2013) Is outcome variability related to movement variability in golf.pdf
  10. firstorlast

    My Swing (firstorlast)

    I've been Playing Golf for: 4 years My current handicap index or average score is: 22 My typical ball flight is: ? The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: hitting the ball fat or thin Videos:
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