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  1. LADIES and GENTLEMEN: Can anyone make a referral to a good Golf Pro for lessons in the Pasadena, CA area? Please and Thank You in advance.
  2. I plan to head to Scottsdale over New Year, first week of January. I am a female golfer moving from a high handicapper golfer to a mid level golfer. We would like to spend the week playing, having lessons or participating in a clinic and basically focussing on improving golf. Don't want to spend a fortune unnecessarily or be just one of a big group with different objectives but I do want to enjoy the week. Haven't been to AZ before so not sure how to make the decision on a) area to stay b) accommodation c) golf pros or lessons d) golf club e)anything!! Any input from this group of experts would be welcome, thank you!
  3. Wanzo

    Taking lessons poll

    How often do you take lessons?
  4. Planning to get into golf again. Last time I played was 15 years ago when I was really really young (like <10). I'm planning to get coaching but because the prices are a bit steep, the plan is to have it once a week and just hit the driving range by myself a couple of other days per week. Would that be okay or is it really necessary to have more than 1 session per week? Goal isn't to be pro or anything. Just good enough to play on an actual course without delaying anyone or looking horrible. I can aim for better handicaps once I reach that point.
  5. Wikipedia defines the four stages of competence as: Unconscious incompetence - The individual does not understand or know how to do something and does not necessarily recognize the deficit. They may deny the usefulness of the skill. The individual must recognize their own incompetence, and the value of the new skill, before moving on to the next stage. The length of time an individual spends in this stage depends on the strength of the stimulus to learn. Conscious incompetence - Though the individual does not understand or know how to do something, he or she does recognize the deficit, as well as the value of a new skill in addressing the deficit. The making of mistakes can be integral to the learning process at this stage. Conscious competence - The individual understands or knows how to do something. However, demonstrating the skill or knowledge requires concentration. It may be broken down into steps, and there is heavy conscious involvement in executing the new skill. Unconscious competence - The individual has had so much practice with a skill that it has become "second nature" and can be performed easily. As a result, the skill can be performed while executing another task. The individual may be able to teach it to others, depending upon how and when it was learned. It comes with a picture that I've included to the right. Consider how you learned to ride a bike. You started off being incompetent, for sure. Before you knew that you could ride a bike, or how you might even start to go about doing it, you were unconsciously incompetent. You didn't even understand how to ride a bike. At some point you hopped on a bike and swerved all over the place for the four feet you traveled before you hopped off or fell over. You knew that you were incompetent, hence, conscious incompetence. Slowly you figured out that it was all about balance. You knew what you had to do - balance, and lift your feet up, and pedal, and steer too. And you were thinking about all of these things as you were riding your bike. Your four feet turned into ten, then a hundred, then halfway down the block before you crashed because you tried to turn around in a driveway. You crossed over from being consciously incompetent to consciously competent somewhere in there (depending on how you define competence). For a more specific example, the first time you get a bike with dual hand brakes (one controls the front wheel, one the back wheel) you started off having to think about which brake to apply (never just the front one!). You could do so, but there was always a partial second of thought like "which one is it again?" Then after a short while, you can hop on your bike and go. You can turn. You can brake. You're clearly competent, and you can do those things while thinking about how much of a bummer it is that Jenny doesn't like you back, and that your parents are mean, and that you can't wait for your baseball game tomorrow. You are unconsciously competent - you don't have to think about riding a bike at all. For a more recent example, consider how you learned to drive. At first you had to remember all sorts of things, and think about them, even which way to flick the stick to signal a left turn. Now, you just hop in your car and go. This all applies to golf, as well, and this thread is how you do it: Let's take, for example, a golfer who just goes out and plays golf. Let's say he shoots in the 90s and hits the ball fat, thin, and all over the map. He goes to take a lesson. Why? Because he's unconsciously incompetent. He knows he's incompetent, yes, but he doesn't know why or what he should work on first. So his instructor films him and says "you need to work on Key #2: your weight does not go forward at all in your downswing." Bam: the golfer is now consciously incompetent. He knows what the fault is, but still can't do it right. So the instructor gives him some drills. He demonstrates. He has the golfer do things in slow motion and with shorter swings. The golfer is still consciously incompetent. He still can't do the move properly. He can do it better, but it still may not be competent. So the golfer keeps working. He knows what he's doing wrong, how to fix it, and eventually when doing drills or actively thinking about a feeling, he can do it (as well as he can be expected to, which may not be perfect). He's become consciously competent. Eventually, the golfer notices more and more that he's able to do this - he's trained himself to do this - without having to think about it so much. Maybe it's a swing thought, or something he practices with a little half practice swing before he hits his shot, but it's not something he's actively thinking about while hitting the ball. So, a question for you all: at what point should the golfer above seek out instruction for his full swing? There are three possible answers, IMO, but the first - Time #1 - is a given: at any point in step 1 the golfer should seek out instruction, because he's both incompetent and lacks a road map or the knowledge to do anything differently to improve. Take a moment to think about it, and then scroll down. Here are the other times when a golfer should seek instruction. Remember that Time #1 is when the golfer is incompetent and doesn't know what to do to improve. He's "unconscious" (doesn't know) and "incompetent" (bad at the thing). Here are the other times: Time #2: When the golfer is unconsciously competent, or in the middle of step 4, he's ready for new information. If he can achieve Key #2 reasonably well during the downswing without having to think about it, he is ready to work on something else - to go back to step 1 and work on shallowing his shaft in the transition, or achieving inline impact, or something else. It's inadvisable for the golfer to seek out new instruction when he's in the middle of the third step - the golf swing happens too quickly to consciously think about two things during one swing. Occasionally we'll give students two things, but we typically only do so when one is a backswing thought and the other is a downswing thought, and even then we will caution them to work on only one thing at a time. I'll say something like "yeah, hit four balls thinking about this one, and then three balls thinking about the other one. It helps things stay fresh and staves off boredom or complacency." Time #3: When the golfer is struggling to move from conscious incompetence to conscious competence, he should seek out instruction. He knows what's wrong, but for one reason or another, is having trouble actually correcting it. It may range from the student not really understanding the drills or things he was given (note: that doesn't mean he's unconsciously incompetent - he still knows what he's trying to improve, just not how to do it), or that he's overdone them so much that he's almost created a new problem, or that he's just forgotten the feel that clicked during a lesson and a text to the instructor may be all he needs to get back on track. Golfers screw this stuff up all the time. They seek out a lesson when they're between steps 2 and 3. More commonly, they seek out instruction when they're dead smack in the middle of step 3 - they can make really good swings (for them) when they're actively thinking about their "piece," but it hasn't sunk in yet to where it's truly unconscious. Golfers also almost never really achieve complete unconscious competence, either. Unlike riding a bike, golfers tend to slowly revert back to what's natural, or form some new bad habits. When a PGA Tour player says something like "I have a tendency to get a little stuck sometimes. I worked on it all winter and was playing well in the first half of the season, but it got away from me a bit around the British Open." What that golfer is saying is that he was in step 3 in the off-season, worked to get it pretty deep into step 4, but as he played in tournaments and pro-ams and had some good finishes and then worked on his putting stroke and his bunker play and hitting the driver a bit higher, he slowly slipped back into step 3 territory: conscious competence. He still knows what he has to fix, and how to fix it, but it's slipped back into where he can probably only do it when he's thinking about it. He's just across the line - he might even win tournaments with a swing thought related to getting stuck. I'll conclude with a question for all of you. We see this golfer on TST all the time, and it's something that plagues a lot of golfers on the Internet. This golfer seeks out a ton of information. They read a lot, watch a lot of videos, and absorb a ton. They can tell you fifteen things wrong with their swing. They can point out the various quirks of different Tour players, and are often dogmatic about what makes a good golf swing. They seem to "know" a lot of stuff… So the question: what zone are they in? Why?
  6. iacas

    Lesson Frequency

    Personal trainers often schedule their clients to come in and work out with them for a low per-workout cost, but commit the student to thrice-weekly, monthly packages that might include three workouts per week for three or six months. This works really well for many people because, left to their own devices, they'd skip out on their scheduled workouts, but because they'd be "disappointing" their trainer (and many will pre-pay), they go to the gym and do their workouts. There are golf pros who do this same thing: they charge less, but commit people to a block of regularly scheduled lessons. Let's say that Instructor A schedules golfers for a weekly 45-minute lesson that costs $45. That's $180/month for three hours of instruction. If you're serious about golf, $180/month isn't too bad. Instructor B charges $120/hour… and will see you as often as you want to come in, but strongly urges you to go work on the instruction he's given you and come back in a few months when you've had the chance to work on it. It doesn't take high-level math to figure out Instructor A is both more (per month) and less (hourly) expensive than Instructor B. But which plan is right for you? There's no one right answer, but most people should opt for Instructor B. You see, unless golfers are working on something simple in, they can't make changes in a week. Often I'll sell a series (four lessons, I just ask that they use them within about a year or so) of lessons to a student and after the first lesson we'll have this exchange: Student: Wow that was great! Same time next week? Me: Well, let me ask you this. If you came back in an hour, would these changes be ingrained or would you get the same lesson? Student: Uhh, the same lesson, of course. Me: And in a day? Student: The same lesson, yeah. I'm not gonna be able to practice between now and tomorrow at this time. Me: And in two days? Student: Okay, I get your point. Me: Right. I don't want to waste your time or money working on the same thing. How about this: practice for a few weeks, and come to see me if one of two things happens: you start to struggle and need a reminder or a tune-up or another feel that you can use to keep working on this piece, or you feel you've got it and can replicate it well at full speed without giving it too much thought. I'll talk with them about not "searching" for some other answer, and note that if I see them they should feel free to ask me for a five-minute mini-refresher or to watch them hit a few balls (happy to do it), and to stick with their "priority piece." Change takes time. Golf isn't math: you can't "learn" something and then just be able to do it. There's no "light bulb" moment, really, in golf… not in terms of making your body actually change an ingrained habit or pattern. Most students are better off taking lessons spread out three, four, even six, eight weeks. For those who want to do something a bit more frequent… I offer "supervised practice" at a lower cost to students, often in small groups, and I think that's a good way to have check-ups. Other students see me in person every few months and mix online lessons for $39/month in there. We also offered "Lesson Blocks" at Chautauqua last summer: two students at once for just over half the cost of a single lesson. A bit more than supervised practice, and a bit less than a full-blown lesson. Long story short: beware of the weekly lesson. You're not getting the full value, even at a lower cost, and you might actually be getting worse instruction if the instructor truly tries to teach you something new each and every week. Oh, and by way of a postscript… I will let you in on a secret. I have had series students come back as quickly as a few days later… to work on their putting or some other completely different area of their game.
  7. Hello all! I have recently had 3 lessons from a local pro and I’m having doubts, from the start I was dubious as he taught me things contrary to what I always belived to be correct. im wondering anyone can shed some light on the new techniques I have been taught and there origins, as I’ve not heard of them Before. They are as follows: -having your body alignment aiming 10 yards left of target (for mid irons, 15 for longer clubs) and swing the club on the target line, sounds like a recipe for a slice too me? -transfering body weight towards target on the start of the back swing, seems to be fine for iron shots but not with a driver surely? -keeping your weight on your toes to the point your heels are just about touching the floor. -having ones head directly over the ball when using a driver and having your weight 50/50 rather than on the back foot with the head slightly behind the ball. Not saying it’s wrong but I’ve been working on this for 4 weeks and it’s killing me, I’m getting worse and worse. id really appreciat peoples POV on this. Thanks.
  8. Can someone please recommend a great teaching pro in Dallas? I work close to downtown Dallas and I'm looking to improve my game this year.
  9. In the past, I've mostly gone dormant with my golf swing instruction over the winter. This year, I want to keep up a little bit each week because I feel like I've made so much progress in the past couple months. Shame to lose that, and I'm genuinely excited to see if I can get through a major piece that I've been stuck on for too long. For those who have stuck out video lessons for a winter season, I'm curious to know your experiences: - worth it? - did you notice any progress (or perhaps less degradation) when spring rolled around? - since I won't have an indoor hitting area, doesn't it get boring just submitting indoor drills? - whatever else about your experience that comes to mind. Maybe I need to find an indoor facility. At any rate, I'll give it a shot (and talk with the instructors about it too), but just curious if anyone had strong feelings one way or the other about video lessons being useful for someone who isn't able to take advantage of a golf facility for the winter months.
  10. I gave a lesson to a guy the other day who said he wanted to learn "how to play golf." He was being sarcastic, as he's played golf for 40 years or so, has made many nice changes and improvements to his golf swing, and is playing quite well for his age. Despite this, his texts from the day before were of the panicking type. I gave him a lesson. I wanted him to do two things. First, I wanted him to take his left shoulder down a bit more so his head didn't drift back and up during the backswing. Then, I wanted him to slide his hips forward an inch, two at most, further forward on the downswing. The former would clean up contact, the latter would bring the ball flight up. Three balls in I'm hearing about how "ecstatic" he is. Ten balls in and I'd heard the word six or seven times. We switched to the driver. The success continued. We added the hip piece. The success continued. Back in "the room" I drew some arrows and lines and measured some things in the video and made his before/after photos with notes. Then he said something which prompted me to look at his first lesson about sixteen months prior. What he saw didn't surprise me at all, but shocked him quite a bit. He saw essentially the same arrows. The same lines. The same measurements. The same notes. He'd been working so long on his "latest piece" (all summer, really), that he kind of forgot about his "first" priority piece. That thing that will always tend to creep up on you and nag you. That thing you always have to watch for. That's all. Long story short, if you're struggling, look back at your old images and notes and videos. Odds are, you may just need to remind yourself of something you thought you'd licked previously.
  11. Just came back from an awesome lesson. I hadn't been for a lesson in about a year. I've been doing ok - making steady progress . .but I've been feeling, lately, that I've been stumped trying to make improvements. I'll start out a range session hitting it great - and then after a few dozen "experiments", I can't even hit the ball anymore. I've been trying to get "wider" . .been playing around with having my hands "deeper" or not in the backswing . .trying to fool around with my tilt, etc. It turned out that I need to get my lower body "quieter" which I never would've come up with on my own. I thought I was doing great with all this lower body action. I was actually *trying* to do the very thing he got me to stop doing, lol. I got a new drill, though, and the proof is obvious. I have been feeling like I've been getting *almost* all the power out of my swing that I could based on my age and personal fatness. I think I can get probably another, say, 15% . .with the quieter lower body I'm getting a noticeably more powerful, whipping "smack" at impact . . .and I'm much more balanced instead of kind of falling forwards a bit in my follow through. Anyway- lessons are awesome. Can't say it enough. I'd go more often but it takes me a long time to really incorporate the stuff I learn in just one lesson. Otherwise I feel like we're just working on the same thing every lesson.
  12. Gator Hazard

    Tipping your golf instructor

    Good morning gentlemen, I have my first one hour golf lesson today and was hoping someone could tell me if they tip their golf instructors afterwards, and if so, what is a good tip rate today for that type of service? Golf instruction rate is usually $60 an hour and I got a package deal on 3 lessons. Thanks in advance. Gator Hazard

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