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iacas posted a topic in Golf TalkThe 2017 Newport Cup is set to kick off in just ONE WEEK, so before we forget, it's a great time to start this topic and get the discussion of matches kicked off. The teams this go 'round: East (Blue) Team Captain: @iacas @coachjimsc - Jim Morgan (1.8) @DaveP043 - Dave Panich (2.4) @NCGolfer - Dave Koster (0.7) @jsgolfer - Jerry Scott (5.2) @cipher - Nate McPherson (6.6) @bkuehn1952 - Brian Kuehn (8.3) West (Red) Team Captain: @mvmac @Golfingdad - Drew Sebilian (5.4) @phillyk - Phil Kohnken (-1.0) @Pretzel - Tyler Faye (-1.0) @DeadMan - Daniel Prieve (5.1) @mchepp - Michael C. Hepp (5.4) @kpaulhus - Kyle Paulhus (5.3) Schedule Thursday, October 19th: Morning - Foursomes at Mid-South Afternoon - Fourball at Talamore Friday, October 20th: Morning - Foursomes at Talamore Afternoon - Fourball at Mid-South Saturday, October 21st: Late Morning - Singles Matches All matches will be a Nassau format with one point on the front nine, one point on the back nine, and one point total. That's three points per match, with three matches per session and six in singles. Foursomes: 18 points available. Fourball: 18 points available. Singles: 18 points available.* * In this year's edition we're making an additional six points available during the singles matches with a special Optic Yellow Get Sum. On any hole during the singles matches, each team can challenge the opposing team to play the hole with the Yellow Ball. If the challenged team makes a NET par or better they earn a point. If they make net bogey or worse, the challenging team earns a point. Before we get started, I'd like to thank the 2017 sponsors: Talamore Golf Resort - home to spacious and comfortable villas and lodging, a weekly pig roast, and two of the finest golf courses in the golf-centric Pinehurst area. Snell Golf - makers of a golf ball that offers tour caliber performance at an affordable price, and the company shaking up the golf ball industry. FlightScope - New in 2017, a pocket-sized launch monitor called Mevo, with a pocket-sized price and BIG performance for measuring and improving YOUR game. Mission Belt - No holes belts as seen on Shark Tank, now with a great new canvas strap option! Delilah Club Covers - Custom, hand-made driver, wood, hybrid, and putter covers, along with caddie bags and more. Frogger Golf - Developed the awesome Latch-It technology for rangefinders, phones, towels, and other accessories. PitchFix - Makers of the world's finest ball mark repair tools, customized with your own logos or designs. TRUE Linkswear - #EnjoyTheWalk with some of the best golf shoes on the market. I'd like to offer, too, a special thanks to @RandallT who will again be keeping track, either in person or off-site (but not off-"site" if you know what I mean ) of the current standings in a nice leaderboard that he'll post here in this topic throughout the rounds, as well as the likes of @nevets88, @billchao, and other members of the staff who will likely be monitoring our Twitter account @the_sand_trap and posting those Tweets and updates to this topic.
In 2015, the Newport Cup worked as follows: Two teams of six players. Two rounds of foursomes, two rounds of four-ball, one round of singles Nassau scoring (front, back, total match play) in each 9 points available in each of the first four rounds (3 matches, 3 points per match), 18 in the singles (6 x 3) This set up a 36:18 ratio for the partner matches versus the singles matches In reading the responses in the main thread, most people are saying that they preferred the team matches and didn't like the singles as much. Nobody disliked the singles, it just wasn't as liked. Also, in the Ryder Cup, the ratio is 16:12. 4:3. Our ratio right now is 2:1. For those two reasons, I'm interested in changing up the singles format, but I'm not sure how. I'm not committed to changing them, but I'm interested in looking into it. The goals of any change might be to: Get closer to 4:3 ratio. Include the second opponent in the singles match. Avoid 1/4 points (so no half-point sides or whatever). Avoid complicated allocation of handicap strokes. None of them (except the third) are absolutes. Maybe a 2:1 ratio is good because nobody wants the pressure of feeling really bad if they lose six points in singles alone. I'd also like to preserve the idea that it's a "singles" match. The rest of this post will be me brainstorming a bit, or thinking out loud. 16:12 is 4:3. If we take 36 then the divisor is 9, and so 4:3 would be 36:27. 27 is an odd number dividing by 6. 24 is closer, which means each player can win four points per match the final round. Right now they stand to win 3. So the fourth point, maybe they can just play a singles match against the other opponent in the group? So if A is playing X, and B is playing Y, those matches are for three points, while they also have a 1-point match A vs. Y, B vs. X. Maybe. The handicapping* might be a little weird there, as too might the idea that A is out of a hole and picks up, while Y is also out of the hole and picks up but for one less (because B got a 4 and X got a 5, so for match play, 5 and 6 lose the hole). That could be worked around by requiring everyone to hole out, but… that kind of defeats the idea of match play. It's not the end of the world, but it's a little weird. * If the handicaps are A=1, B=4, X=2, and Y=7… A vs. X means X gets one shot on the #1 handicap hole, but in his single-point match against B he gives two strokes on the #1 and #2 handicap holes to B. That's what I mean by the handicapping can get a bit weird. Perhaps the two bonus points per match should be given to the team that wins the front and the back? Let's say A wins against X 2-up and loses the back 2-down. B loses the front to Y 1-down and wins the back 2-up. A wins 1.5 points, X wins 1.5 points. B wins 2 points, Y wins 1 points in their singles matches. Then AB won 2-up and 1-down on the front, so they win the front point 1-up. On the back nine they halved, as AB lost 2-down and won 2-up. So the bonus points are awarded 1.5 to 0.5. I'm open to other ideas. I'm not married to four-point singles matches (eight points per foursome), but I'm leaning that way just because it puts close to 4:3 ratio on the points. Since it's eight points per foursome, it is certainly possible that we just play front and back versus both of the opposing players for two points each. Each player can then win or lose four points, and you get to 24 again. But this is not without the handicapping issues noted above. I'd love to hear what other ideas y'all have. I'm open to anything. I'm even open to the idea of giving each team a yellow golf ball (maybe an optic yellow Get Sum) and saying that it's worth 1 point - before anyone tees off on a hole you play that ball alternate shot and if you make a par or better (gross) you get the point. If you bogey or worse the opposing team gets the point. That way it's truly an "extra" point that adds a little "team" aspect to one hole per round without complicating the handicaps or anything like that. Just a thought. Let's brainstorm. No bad ideas, so long as you're not completely ignoring the guidelines/goals…