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Alternative 2018 Top 30 FedEx Scenarios the PGA Tour perhaps should have considered
Frank-0-Sport posted a topic in Tour Talk
A Personal Opinion It looks like the PGA Tour has (once again) gotten it wrong with its Top 30 Scenario set-up for the 2017-18 Fed Ex Playoffs. Submitted for your consideration and comment, an alternative Top-30 scenario that -- 1. Does not reset any player's points prior to the start of play. 2. Presents a different offering scheme of Tour Championship points, based on the event's 32-year-old basic money distribution formula. In fact, if you multiply each of the 30 places by 180 you'll get the individual place prize money amounts for the 2018 tournament. 3. In addition to the above, the alternative scenario doesn't tinker with the Tour Championship's scoring format or anything else. The field just plays the event as they would any other. May the best man win. One additional thought -- consider what the scenarios might be like (especially for Bryson DeChambeau) if the three playoff events offered only 1.0x value points instead of 4.0x. -
Share any good swing videos of pro golfers that you come across. Can be from any tour. Lots of pro's swings on our YouTube channel. The Sand Trap YouTube
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https://www.pgatour.com/company/2018/10/pga-tour-introduces-new-advertising-campaign-live-under-par.html PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Florida – For the first time in more than 20 years, the PGA TOUR is launching a new advertising campaign designed to capture and celebrate the energy and spirit of today’s TOUR. Titled “Live Under Par,” the campaign plays on golf’s unique scoring language to portray the relentless pursuit of excellence by TOUR players, both competitively and in how they embrace the values of the game like sportsmanship and respect, as well as the PGA TOUR’s ingrained mission of giving back. What do you think?
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Brandt Snedeker shoots 59 with a bogey at the 2018 Wyndham Championship
1badbadger posted a topic in Tour Talk
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PGA Tour New Schedule - Players in March, PGA Championship in May
brocks posted a topic in Tour Talk
See this for a complete list: https://sports.yahoo.com/pga-tour-reveals-major-changes-2018-19-schedule-135029583.html Is this yet another attempt to give major status to the Players? Oops, I posted the wrong link, here's the correct one: https://www.pgatour.com/company/2018/07/10/pga-tour-unveils-significantly-revamped-2018-2019-season-schedule.html -
A nice tribute.
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I'm stealing this from GCA: Are today's PGA Tour players whiny, spoiled babies? I'm not one for beating a dead horse, but as articles like this one continue to trickle out, my only impression is that the modern professional has become so obsessed with a different game than the one played by the masses that anything besides a standard PGA Tour setup is immediately labeled as "unfair." They might as well hold the US Open on Trackman. Otherwise, how will the "best" player be assured of winning?! What I saw on Saturday at Shinnecock was a golf course that was playing very, very hard in windy conditions. What I didn't see was what the media seems to have adopted without real discussion, namely, that good shots were not being rewarded. Did the USGA need to set it up THAT hard to protect par? Probably not and, as other have pointed out, that probably didn't show off the course at its architectural best. However, several of the shots replayed ad nauseum as evidence of an "unfair" setup simply were poor course management. For example, take the frequently replayed clips of #15. Stenson's play was absymal - he hit it in the rough, chased it from the wrong angle into the downslope of a bunker, short-sided, downwind and then everyone cries it's unfair he couldn't hold the green? In the same group, Rose hits the fairway, hits the green from the proper angle, drains a 15' birdie putt. Same could be said for #18 - hitting the ball above the hole was an absolutely no-no. It wasn't as if the players didn't know that. Those are execution errors: poor course management leading to extremely difficult recovery shots. The average player seems to accept that one poor shot can lead to a position from which an excellent recovery is nearly impossible. Pros seem to view every shot as if it requires them to be able to hit it stiff. If not - UNFAIR! Augusta National seems to be immune from this type of whining out of fear of offending the club, but imagine if a US Open featured a hole like 15 where players were spinning wedges back into the water (as Sergio did 5x) or where it was easy to chip into a pond. The same could be said for shots at 11, 12 or unstoppable chips on 16. The difference? At Augusta, the "patrons gasp" but, as anyone who listened to the broadcast can attest, at the US Open bad shots can evoke laughter. For what it's worth, the fans certainly weren't turned off by the course setup as the TV ratings were the second-best third round of the U.S. Open since 2013 (3.7, 5.4M). Deep down, this generation of pros thinks they're so good that they aren't willing to submit to a difficult test. The snowflakes hate being laughed at... Back to me now… I'm not saying (nor is the OP, I don't think) that PGA Tour players don't work hard. But I think he makes a valid point above. Also, note how often the PGA Tour will play lift, clean, and place instead of playing the ball down. Yes, they're there for entertainment, not to grind out a 74… but sometimes dealing with the conditions is entertaining, too. P.S. I haven't voted yet.
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One of the ways that Facebook has been highlighting its Watch tab is through exclusive streaming deals with sports leagues. Now, the PGA Tour joins the roster of sports that will air coverage on Facebook exclusively. Live competition coverage of eight tournaments in the 2018–2019 season will stream exclusively on Facebook. The coverage will follow two featured groups starting at approximately 8:30 AM ET Saturday and Sunday mornings. These players will be in the third and final rounds. The coverage will continue until the Golf Channel's programming begins. It's clear that this is an enhancement to existing coverage, rather than replacing it, which may work better for Facebook. One complaint against Facebook's exclusive deals is that people paying for premium cable packages in order to watch all available content for a particular sport don't especially relish the idea of tuning into Facebook to watch a game. This will not replace what's available on a different channel; it will merely deliver additional content to viewers.
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Had a discussion with some golfing friends yesterday about course set ups for tournaments. Long story short. If all tournaments in the PGA were set up like this year's USO was, (maybe a little less tough) would the top 10/20 OWGRs have the same names listed with the way today's tournaments are set up? In other words, would today's top players still be the top players if they had to play on much tougher courses all the time. A lot of big name players were beat up pretty bad in this year's USO. Why were they not able to adapt to the tougher conditions?
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What If Scenario: PGA Tour Becomes an All-Putting Tour or an All-Ballstriking Tour
mvmac posted a topic in Swing Thoughts
@david_wedzik just posted this on The Facebook. What do you guys think? Post your answers in the thread -
Greetings ... While the PGA Tour's 2018-19 season schedule is not yet available, there are indications that some events are getting moved, revamped or else put on the chopping block. Small hints of what may be coming are given in the following articles 2019 Schedule Could End Before Football - Rex Hoggard Golf Channel (2017) WGC-Bridgestone could leave Firestone after 2018 -- GolfNewsNet (2017) RE WGC Bridgestone leaving Firestone -- The word here is that as part renewing sponsorship of the FedEx Cup race, the FedEx company wants to upgrade the Memphis-St. Jude event to a WGC. Meanwhile, it is suggested that Bridgestone would give up the event at Firestone to sponsor an official PGA Tour event in Asia. In return, Firestone would get a Champions Tour event. If someone has more recent information about any 2018-19 schedule changes, please post here and include source links. Thanx-A-Lot
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I watched Zach Johnson yesterday taking an ungodly amount of time over an 8 footer. I thought to myself, if anyone in my 4some did that I'd wrap a f***in' club around his neck. So yes, the pros have slowed to a crawl these days. At the same time, I've never seen any professional just step up to the ball and strike it as many amateur players do. Of course there's a happy medium but sometimes when I play with high handicappers, it disappoints me that they're so self conscious that they rush their shots to get out of everyone's way. Hey man, you paid your greens fees or membership fee so you deserve a little time to settle into your shots. Were were all at your level at some point. I'm definitely not a slow player because I play ready golf but I also play my best when I don't rush things.
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Woods teeing off 12:50 Thursday, 7:40 Friday. Notables from a quick glance, McIlroy, Mickelson, Thomas, Reed, Finau. https://golfweek.com/2018/05/01/tee-times-pairings-tv-info-2018-wells-fargo-championship-rounds-1-2/ https://www.pgatour.com/competition/2018/wells-fargo-championship/leaderboard.html
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The Golf Ball "Problem": PGA Tour Players Hitting it Far is a Problem for All of Golf?
iacas posted a topic in Golf Talk
Golfers on the PGA Tour (and elsewhere) hit the ball farther than ever. I agree. I'd be a fool not to, of course. Geoff Shackelford, and others, all want to blame the golf ball. They overlook, frequently, several factors, including: Launch monitors allow us to optimize launch. Players are more fit now. Drivers are bigger and more forgiving. Drivers are longer. Drivers are lighter. Players understand the value of distance over "hitting fairways." The last several items lead to this: players are swinging their drivers significantly faster than they were in 1987. The golf ball goes further… Yes, premium balls have lower spin off the driver than the Titleist Tour Balata did. But not really much less than a Surlyn Pinnacle did. https://www.golfdigest.com/story/you-wont-believe-how-much-farther-pga-tour-champions-players-are-hitting-the-ball-now-than-in-their-primes This line is a joke: The "trend" will not continue. Give me a break. I'm branching this topic off from the Northern Trust topic. Let's discuss this, seriously here, fellas. There are a lot of people out there who act as if the game of golf is doomed unless the USGA/R&A bifurcate or do something to reign in the distance PGA Tour pros are hitting the ball. This, despite the fact that… The average PGA Tour player hits his 6-iron 183 yards, and his driver carries 275. The USGA and R&A are on record as saying the distance numbers are basically flat. And courses like Harbour Town, Pebble Beach, and others resist scoring with design, and one of the most beguiling holes in golf is #10 at Riviera… which some pros will try to drive with a 3W… I don't see the problem. -
The field is set (baring WD's) and the brackets will be drawn tonight starting 7:30. Pod play begins Wednesday 3/21, and for those of you like me there is a bracket challenge on the PGA tour site. Which I might as well do, because my other bracket has been destroyed. Qualifying players not entered in the WGC Match play include Rickie, Stenson, Rose, Koepka and Adam Scott; thus allowing Luke List, Na, CH III, Joost and Keegan Bradley into the field. Here is a link to the PGA tour site bracket rules - https://www.pgatour.com/company/2018/03/16/rules-game-wgc-dell-technologies-match-play-bracket-challenge.html Also - just to make it clear to all Tiger Woods is not playing, as he did not qualify.
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February 28-March 3: Honda Classic March 7-10: Arnold Palmer Invitational March 14-17: The Players Championship March 21-24: Valspar Championship March 28-31: WGC-Dell Technologies Match Play April 4-7: Valero Texas Open April 11-14: The Masters Slight shuffling of some events, and the Valspar and/or Arnold Palmer look to be a bit screwed - players who play the Honda may not want to play three weeks in a row (skipping the AP), and players who play the AP and the Players may want to miss the Valspar. What will Tiger do? Play AP and Players, and skip the Honda and the Valspar? This assumes he's top 64 and qualifies for the Match Play next year.
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Tiger. Rory. Speith. Strongest field in a very very long time in Tampa this coming week. Supposed to be very windy with rain chances on Sunday. I'll be in attendance on Friday. For a Florida course, Copperhead is quite hilly. Will be a very interesting week.
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Well, the last group of players, in threesomes, took over 6 hours to play 18 holes of golf today. It took them over 20 minutes to play the 18th hole alone. This is getting ridiculous. They over-shot their generous broadcast window by over 30 minutes. And there's a playoff likely coming up here, to boot. I can't wait for the European Tour's shot clock tournament.
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http://golfweek.com/2018/02/07/the-forecaddie-pga-tour-takes-stand-with-bunker-liner-rule/ I'm glad, mostly, but without spending too much time looking into this… the bunker liner is man-made, and an obstruction, and the Rules of Golf grant you relief for obstructions for your stance, too. Isn't this a Rule 24 issue? Again, only two minutes of thought here, but I don't consider a bunker liner an abnormal ground condition.
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I like to take into account various points of view while talking about ballstriking on the highest level. While I know that some stories from the past can be exaggerated I also believe in all of them there is a seed of truth, the more these opinions usually were formulated by knowledgable people. On the other hand, in my opinion, pure statistics are important means to determine the quality of ballstriking but even they never reveal the whole truth. Gross scores can be even more misleading, not talking about longevity of terms of playing on tour. My definition for ballstriking is the ability to play desired shots on command. I presume noone intends to drive the ball into the woods instead fairways or outside greens. Myth no.1.: these who play long on tour are ALWAYS better ballstrikers to those who never played there or play shortly there; Myth no.2.: these who win more are ALWAYS better ballstrikers to those who never win or win less; Both of the above are as ridiculous myths as one can imagine. Moreover, both can be easily busted with the same arguments: # scoring is a derivative of tee-to-green play, short game and putting; there are many examples of great ballstrikers who scored not so well because of problems with putting (Ben Hogan, Moe Norman, George Knudsen, Mac O'Grady, not so long time ago Sergio Garcia) or even short game (today's Tiger Woods); # scoring depends highly on mental side; there are many examples of great ballstrikers who scored poorly because of problems in this sphere and I believe golf is no different from all other sports and I know some prominent examples of great artists during training hours, in sparrings or on the ranges who fail when they start real playing for something important (prizes, money, reputation, et caetera). Ergo: it is not so easy to judge or compare ballstriking quality of players, especially from different generations.
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Mark Hensby was suspended for one year for failing to submit a urine sample.
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I do not like the wrap-around season. For me the start should be the Tournament of Champions, although I may not watch or pay attention very much until the Crosby in February.
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Might have ended just in time Fires in CA are right there http://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/hours-after-golf-tourney-fire-blackens-silverado-neighborhood/article_79448b9a-1ffb-5218-a5c0-765bd5c034de.html#tncms-source=home-featured
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Indoor Putting Greens for the Hibernators Out There - My Project
NotSoMiniTiger posted a topic in Golf Talk
Hi Guys, I'm fairly new to this website. I wanted to join to begin a forum on Indoor Putting Greens. I know most of us reside in the cold states where we can only sit and dream about golf. I grew tired of this routine of playing golf and finding my game by the time it was too late and the leaves began to fall and soon enough the snow-birds were snow-birding again.... lol. Anyways, I'm an avid golfer, a golf junkie, a golf pyscho, a serial golfer... whatever it is I'm just obsessed with the game. I love it, like all of us do on this site. I've got 3 kids, so this project was a MUST DO. I made a massive putting green in the basement after reading many reviews for the material Kevin Na and Ben Crane were touting about a couple years ago. I learnt many of the tour pros used this material so I HAD to get my hands on it. I thought it would've been pricey but it was super affordable. I spent about 2 weeks building and boy, was it worth it. The finished product was beyond my imagination - I've played many great golf courses and the green actually emulated the best. I even added slopes. And for the record, I'm basically here to spread the word that it is completely possible to have a massive(or small) putting green in your home without breaking the banks like these synthetic turf company's charge. The project literally cost me less than $400. The kids love it, they're down there and have practically forgotten about their Ipads and Ipods and video games(true story). But best of all, the WIFE APPROVES. Here are some pictures - If people are interested in how I constructed, please just feel free to comment. We do not need to be golf hibernators anymore! :)
