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Has anyone ever golfed at a course shortly before a major PGA tournament? Was it loud and intrusive? I have the opportunity to play Pebble Beach over Memorial Day weekend (2 weeks before the US open), but am concerned grandstand and other event construction will be a distraction and ruin the experience. I'm wishfully thinking it's either quiet or would be completed by that time... but its just wishful thinking. Any thoughts are appreciated.
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Sorry @colin007 - still a strong field, but interest just dropped by 50% (or more)
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Share any good swing videos of pro golfers that you come across. Can be from any tour. Lots of pro's swings on our YouTube channel. The Sand Trap YouTube
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My buddy Lou shared earlier today a thing we've talked about the past few weeks re: short-siding yourself on the PGA Tour. The image: In chart form: At first glance this flies a bit in the face of the idea that "being closer is better," but that really only holds if you insist on taking this literally and completely disregarding the shades of grey. We've never said that being buried in a deep bunker 15 yards from the flag is better than having a 60-foot putt (or even a chip from off the green). And clearly, short-siding yourself on the PGA Tour can present some problems. (Though, in a brief aside, you'll note that Tour players average 8.0 feet with 40-50% Green, but don't get below 8.0 feet from 26-30 yards until they have 80%+ Green.) Now… I've previously posted this: The main audience of that article is average golfers playing regular golf courses. Those golf courses, in comparison to the PGA Tour courses: Have lighter rough. Have slower greens. Have softer greens. Dave and I still stand by the previous topic because we feel that short siding yourself is much less dangerous on a typical golf course than it is on the PGA Tour. The greens are softer and slower and the rough is shorter. But, ultimately, this topic should serve as a reminder that not all situations are created equal. A 12-yard chip shot from rough with 6 yards to the green and another 6 to the pin (50%) might be easier, the same, or more difficult than another shot - including a long putt - from somewhere else. It depends on the unique and specific circumstances. Hell, sometimes a short-sided miss will be a 15-foot putt from the fringe. Judge the situations uniquely. Use the Shades of Grey, which on approach shots and greenside shots includes all of the factors that affect your next shot. And, should you get out on Tour, give this stuff even more consideration, because the chart is pretty definitive. 🙂
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moderation Note to Media: Knee-Height Drops Make Sense!
DeadMan posted a blog entry in The Rules Chair
We're in that special hell of rules controversies with the implementation of the new Rules of Golf. There have been some growing pains with the new rules, and that has allowed the golf media to tee off on its favorite target, the USGA. Which, to be fair, can make itself an easy target: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/despite-harsh-words-from-some-tour-pros-usga-pleased-with-roll-out-of-new-rules-of-golf. That aside, I wanted to talk about the "controversy" about the knee-height drop that the Rules now require. Rickie Fowler got a one stroke penalty for dropping from shoulder height this past weekend. Cue the complaining from him: https://golfweek.com/2019/02/22/rickie-fowler-hit-with-one-shot-penalty-for-illegal-drop-at-wgc-mexico-championship/ I can forgive him - he just had a brain fart, probably didn't gain an advantage in this situation, it cost him money. I'm always annoyed when I get a penalty, personally, and it's absolutely never my fault, okay? But cue the pearl clutching from the media: https://www.golf.com/news/2019/02/25/backstopping-pro-tours-under-policed/ I'm here to tell you that this is wrong, and knee-height drops actually make a ton of sense. One of the best things the new Rules do is simplify dropping. Now, all you have to do when dropping is land the ball in the relief area (without touching you or your equipment before hitting the ground) and ensure the ball comes to rest in the relief area. If you don't do this, you have to redrop. Pretty simple. Yes, you have to figure out what your relief area is, but that's pretty simple, too. (For a fuller explanation of this, see Rule 14 and the definitions in the Rules of Golf.) The old rules were much more complex. Specifically, if your ball rolled to one of 9 areas after you dropped it, you had to redrop. For example, if your ball rolled more than 2 club lengths away from where your ball hit the ground, you had to redrop. You had to know all of these 9 areas to know if you needed to redrop or not. So, the new way is simpler, right? Instead of learning 9 different triggers for a redrop, you only have to learn 1. Great! Why am I talking about when you have to redrop? This is why we're dropping from knee height. Generally, under the new Rules, your ball cannot go as far after hitting the ground as it used to without triggering a redrop. Dropping from knee height reduces the chance that a redrop will be necessary. It also means that a ball has less of a chance of embedding in sand when you drop it. It makes a ton of sense, really. Now, you might say, that's all fine, but why not allow dropping a ball from anywhere above knee height? I think you could easily game the rules to be able to place the ball when you really want to by simply dropping from shoulder height instead of knee height. Think about dropping on a side slope, for example. You're much more likely to have to redrop and place if you drop the ball from a higher point. Sure, this is rare, but why take the chance? We're all on the same page, right? Knee-height drops make a lot of sense. (If you want to know more about the changes to dropping, this is an excellent article that talks about this in a bit more detail: https://rulesgeeks.com/2018/12/30-days-of-2019-rules-changes-day-16-procedure-for-dropping-a-ball-in-playing-it-from-a-relief-area/) Now to the point of all of this: golf media, please take 5 minutes to understand the rule before issuing a HAWT TAKE about the rule. The USGA has a one page sheet that explains the rule: http://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules-hub/rules-modernization/major-changes/new-procedure-for-dropping-a-ball.html. You don't come off very well when you fail to read that. I know it's fun and easy to just mindlessly bash the USGA, but they do get things right. This is one of them. (Oh and by the way, the Rules are actually really good, as a whole. Maybe I'll talk about that in another post later.) -
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/adam-scotts-solution-to-the-tours-slow-play-problem-ill-take-the-penalty
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Adam Scott might be eliminating the World Golf Championship events with new compact PGA Tour schedule - Golf Digest WGC-Mexico is immediately followed by: Honda Classic Bay Hill/Arnold Palmer The Players Championship Valspar / Innisbrook The next week after those five events, the WGC Match Play, which is followed by: Texas Open The Masters The WGC-FedEx St. Judge is in late July, immediately after and then before: The British Open WGC the next week Wyndham The FedExCup Playoffs start after the Wyndham So this begs the question… how many other top players will skip the WGCs? Are the free OWGR points and the virtually free cash (no cuts) worth the extra compacted playing time?
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Zach Johnson's caddie Damon Green 'shocked' by split Damon Green had been Zach Johnson's caddie since 2003, and the duo won two majors and nine other PGA Tour events. There is talk that perhaps Damon hasn't taken care of himself as well as he should, and he's had to drop out of a few tournaments mid-round or mid-event in the past year. Dehydration, etc.
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PGA Tour Working On Program to Provide Access For College Stars | Golf Channel The PGA Tour might soon have a new feeder system – college golf. Two quotes stand out to me. … and… Making the leap from college to the pros often happens at a terrible time of year. Either you bail on your team mid-way through the season (in November or thereabouts), or you are stuck trying to make it as a pro with status on no Tour after the NCAA tournament in May.
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From Geoff Shackelford: GOLFTV Powered By The PGA Tour" Is Launched For Eight Countries Link: GOLFTV Country roll out schedule below. -
A Personal Opinion It looks like the PGA Tour has (once again) gotten it wrong with its Top 30 Scenario set-up for the 2017-18 Fed Ex Playoffs. Submitted for your consideration and comment, an alternative Top-30 scenario that -- 1. Does not reset any player's points prior to the start of play. 2. Presents a different offering scheme of Tour Championship points, based on the event's 32-year-old basic money distribution formula. In fact, if you multiply each of the 30 places by 180 you'll get the individual place prize money amounts for the 2018 tournament. 3. In addition to the above, the alternative scenario doesn't tinker with the Tour Championship's scoring format or anything else. The field just plays the event as they would any other. May the best man win. One additional thought -- consider what the scenarios might be like (especially for Bryson DeChambeau) if the three playoff events offered only 1.0x value points instead of 4.0x. -
https://www.pgatour.com/company/2018/10/pga-tour-introduces-new-advertising-campaign-live-under-par.html PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Florida – For the first time in more than 20 years, the PGA TOUR is launching a new advertising campaign designed to capture and celebrate the energy and spirit of today’s TOUR. Titled “Live Under Par,” the campaign plays on golf’s unique scoring language to portray the relentless pursuit of excellence by TOUR players, both competitively and in how they embrace the values of the game like sportsmanship and respect, as well as the PGA TOUR’s ingrained mission of giving back. What do you think?
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See this for a complete list: https://sports.yahoo.com/pga-tour-reveals-major-changes-2018-19-schedule-135029583.html Is this yet another attempt to give major status to the Players? Oops, I posted the wrong link, here's the correct one: https://www.pgatour.com/company/2018/07/10/pga-tour-unveils-significantly-revamped-2018-2019-season-schedule.html
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A nice tribute.
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I'm stealing this from GCA: Are today's PGA Tour players whiny, spoiled babies? I'm not one for beating a dead horse, but as articles like this one continue to trickle out, my only impression is that the modern professional has become so obsessed with a different game than the one played by the masses that anything besides a standard PGA Tour setup is immediately labeled as "unfair." They might as well hold the US Open on Trackman. Otherwise, how will the "best" player be assured of winning?! What I saw on Saturday at Shinnecock was a golf course that was playing very, very hard in windy conditions. What I didn't see was what the media seems to have adopted without real discussion, namely, that good shots were not being rewarded. Did the USGA need to set it up THAT hard to protect par? Probably not and, as other have pointed out, that probably didn't show off the course at its architectural best. However, several of the shots replayed ad nauseum as evidence of an "unfair" setup simply were poor course management. For example, take the frequently replayed clips of #15. Stenson's play was absymal - he hit it in the rough, chased it from the wrong angle into the downslope of a bunker, short-sided, downwind and then everyone cries it's unfair he couldn't hold the green? In the same group, Rose hits the fairway, hits the green from the proper angle, drains a 15' birdie putt. Same could be said for #18 - hitting the ball above the hole was an absolutely no-no. It wasn't as if the players didn't know that. Those are execution errors: poor course management leading to extremely difficult recovery shots. The average player seems to accept that one poor shot can lead to a position from which an excellent recovery is nearly impossible. Pros seem to view every shot as if it requires them to be able to hit it stiff. If not - UNFAIR! Augusta National seems to be immune from this type of whining out of fear of offending the club, but imagine if a US Open featured a hole like 15 where players were spinning wedges back into the water (as Sergio did 5x) or where it was easy to chip into a pond. The same could be said for shots at 11, 12 or unstoppable chips on 16. The difference? At Augusta, the "patrons gasp" but, as anyone who listened to the broadcast can attest, at the US Open bad shots can evoke laughter. For what it's worth, the fans certainly weren't turned off by the course setup as the TV ratings were the second-best third round of the U.S. Open since 2013 (3.7, 5.4M). Deep down, this generation of pros thinks they're so good that they aren't willing to submit to a difficult test. The snowflakes hate being laughed at... Back to me now… I'm not saying (nor is the OP, I don't think) that PGA Tour players don't work hard. But I think he makes a valid point above. Also, note how often the PGA Tour will play lift, clean, and place instead of playing the ball down. Yes, they're there for entertainment, not to grind out a 74… but sometimes dealing with the conditions is entertaining, too. P.S. I haven't voted yet.
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One of the ways that Facebook has been highlighting its Watch tab is through exclusive streaming deals with sports leagues. Now, the PGA Tour joins the roster of sports that will air coverage on Facebook exclusively. Live competition coverage of eight tournaments in the 2018–2019 season will stream exclusively on Facebook. The coverage will follow two featured groups starting at approximately 8:30 AM ET Saturday and Sunday mornings. These players will be in the third and final rounds. The coverage will continue until the Golf Channel's programming begins. It's clear that this is an enhancement to existing coverage, rather than replacing it, which may work better for Facebook. One complaint against Facebook's exclusive deals is that people paying for premium cable packages in order to watch all available content for a particular sport don't especially relish the idea of tuning into Facebook to watch a game. This will not replace what's available on a different channel; it will merely deliver additional content to viewers.
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Had a discussion with some golfing friends yesterday about course set ups for tournaments. Long story short. If all tournaments in the PGA were set up like this year's USO was, (maybe a little less tough) would the top 10/20 OWGRs have the same names listed with the way today's tournaments are set up? In other words, would today's top players still be the top players if they had to play on much tougher courses all the time. A lot of big name players were beat up pretty bad in this year's USO. Why were they not able to adapt to the tougher conditions?
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Greetings ... While the PGA Tour's 2018-19 season schedule is not yet available, there are indications that some events are getting moved, revamped or else put on the chopping block. Small hints of what may be coming are given in the following articles 2019 Schedule Could End Before Football - Rex Hoggard Golf Channel (2017) WGC-Bridgestone could leave Firestone after 2018 -- GolfNewsNet (2017) RE WGC Bridgestone leaving Firestone -- The word here is that as part renewing sponsorship of the FedEx Cup race, the FedEx company wants to upgrade the Memphis-St. Jude event to a WGC. Meanwhile, it is suggested that Bridgestone would give up the event at Firestone to sponsor an official PGA Tour event in Asia. In return, Firestone would get a Champions Tour event. If someone has more recent information about any 2018-19 schedule changes, please post here and include source links. Thanx-A-Lot
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I watched Zach Johnson yesterday taking an ungodly amount of time over an 8 footer. I thought to myself, if anyone in my 4some did that I'd wrap a f***in' club around his neck. So yes, the pros have slowed to a crawl these days. At the same time, I've never seen any professional just step up to the ball and strike it as many amateur players do. Of course there's a happy medium but sometimes when I play with high handicappers, it disappoints me that they're so self conscious that they rush their shots to get out of everyone's way. Hey man, you paid your greens fees or membership fee so you deserve a little time to settle into your shots. Were were all at your level at some point. I'm definitely not a slow player because I play ready golf but I also play my best when I don't rush things.
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Woods teeing off 12:50 Thursday, 7:40 Friday. Notables from a quick glance, McIlroy, Mickelson, Thomas, Reed, Finau. https://golfweek.com/2018/05/01/tee-times-pairings-tv-info-2018-wells-fargo-championship-rounds-1-2/ https://www.pgatour.com/competition/2018/wells-fargo-championship/leaderboard.html
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Golfers on the PGA Tour (and elsewhere) hit the ball farther than ever. I agree. I'd be a fool not to, of course. Geoff Shackelford, and others, all want to blame the golf ball. They overlook, frequently, several factors, including: Launch monitors allow us to optimize launch. Players are more fit now. Drivers are bigger and more forgiving. Drivers are longer. Drivers are lighter. Players understand the value of distance over "hitting fairways." The last several items lead to this: players are swinging their drivers significantly faster than they were in 1987. The golf ball goes further… Yes, premium balls have lower spin off the driver than the Titleist Tour Balata did. But not really much less than a Surlyn Pinnacle did. https://www.golfdigest.com/story/you-wont-believe-how-much-farther-pga-tour-champions-players-are-hitting-the-ball-now-than-in-their-primes This line is a joke: The "trend" will not continue. Give me a break. I'm branching this topic off from the Northern Trust topic. Let's discuss this, seriously here, fellas. There are a lot of people out there who act as if the game of golf is doomed unless the USGA/R&A bifurcate or do something to reign in the distance PGA Tour pros are hitting the ball. This, despite the fact that… The average PGA Tour player hits his 6-iron 183 yards, and his driver carries 275. The USGA and R&A are on record as saying the distance numbers are basically flat. And courses like Harbour Town, Pebble Beach, and others resist scoring with design, and one of the most beguiling holes in golf is #10 at Riviera… which some pros will try to drive with a 3W… I don't see the problem. -
The field is set (baring WD's) and the brackets will be drawn tonight starting 7:30. Pod play begins Wednesday 3/21, and for those of you like me there is a bracket challenge on the PGA tour site. Which I might as well do, because my other bracket has been destroyed. Qualifying players not entered in the WGC Match play include Rickie, Stenson, Rose, Koepka and Adam Scott; thus allowing Luke List, Na, CH III, Joost and Keegan Bradley into the field. Here is a link to the PGA tour site bracket rules - https://www.pgatour.com/company/2018/03/16/rules-game-wgc-dell-technologies-match-play-bracket-challenge.html Also - just to make it clear to all Tiger Woods is not playing, as he did not qualify.
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February 28-March 3: Honda Classic March 7-10: Arnold Palmer Invitational March 14-17: The Players Championship March 21-24: Valspar Championship March 28-31: WGC-Dell Technologies Match Play April 4-7: Valero Texas Open April 11-14: The Masters Slight shuffling of some events, and the Valspar and/or Arnold Palmer look to be a bit screwed - players who play the Honda may not want to play three weeks in a row (skipping the AP), and players who play the AP and the Players may want to miss the Valspar. What will Tiger do? Play AP and Players, and skip the Honda and the Valspar? This assumes he's top 64 and qualifies for the Match Play next year.
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Tiger. Rory. Speith. Strongest field in a very very long time in Tampa this coming week. Supposed to be very windy with rain chances on Sunday. I'll be in attendance on Friday. For a Florida course, Copperhead is quite hilly. Will be a very interesting week.
