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  1. I have been playing with the same putter for about 15 years. Is there a reason to change if I putt moderately well with it? Have there been any advances in technology that make it worthwhile to change? Thanks in advance.
  2. Here are three graphs of putting strokes. The s axis is "speed" and the "t" axis is time. We'll take a look at each of these in a moment, but consider first how putting can behave like a pendulum. In virtually all good putting strokes, the ball is hit with a slight positive angle of attack (AoA) - about 2-3° or so. This positive AoA helps minimize backspin, produce no spin, or even to produce a tiny bit of forward spin if the dynamic loft is 1-2°. But the point is: the ball is struck while the putter head is ascending, or after low point . If you were to swing a pendulum back and through, maximum speed would be where? At the bottom. At low point. At every point after that, the speed would be lower. Even one tenth of one degree after low point, the pendulum is slowing down (negative acceleration, or deceleration). The best putters almost all tend to have a decelerating putter head at or even slightly before impact. Their putting stroke resembles a pendulum, reaching maximum speed at or slightly before impact. Consider also the length of a pendulum's swing. A theoretical pendulum (no loss of energy to friction) swings as far past center in one direction as it does in the other direction. Whether you measure it in degrees or a linear measurement, the pendulum swings 22.7° left and 22.7° right, or 13.1 inches left and 13.1 inches right. The best putters almost all tend to have similar length backswings and through-swings in their putting strokes. Their putting strokes continue to resemble a pendulum in this sense. Now let's take a look at each of these putting strokes. Here's a putting stroke typical of a golfer who has a terrible time controlling their distances. This golfer may have a great sense of touch from 5-10 feet, maybe even out to 15', but when you ask them to hit a 30' putt, you start to see issues. They'll hit one 27', the next 34', the one after that 25', and then maybe 33'. These golfers often make a backswing that's - let's just say - eight inches for a six-foot putt, nine inches for a 12-foot putt, and ten inches for a 30-foot putt. They're almost the same length. Then they have to accelerate their putters various amounts to reach various speeds at impact to send the ball various distances. If you wanted to make a pendulum swing faster at the bottom of the arc, given the same pendulum length and weight (we aren't changing putters or our setup appreciably), how would you accomplish this? Why… you'd simply pull the pendulum back farther before letting it go. So look at the speed and time plot of the poor putter above. I've marked the instantaneous speed at two points: just prior to impact and just after impact. Note that impact - even on a putting stroke - severely slows the putter head down. I've exaggerated it quite a bit in these graphs, but that's something I can do given that I haven't added any scale to these charts. :D It simply makes things clearer to see and thus easier to grasp. At any rate, note that the direction of each of the arrows - both the dashed (pre-impact) and dotted (post-impact) lines is pointing upwards. This means the putter head has positive acceleration. It's speeding up. Note the pronounced "hump" after impact. Though the ball slows the putter head down temporarily, it's still speeding up, so you see a second peak speed after impact. This golfer is roughly 99% likely to have poor distance control. Let's look at the good and great putting dynamics (and by good I mean pretty darn good, because as you'll note the differences between these two are subtle): Note how in Good the putting stroke reaches maximum speed at the ball. The proof of this is that the acceleration is neither positive nor negative - the arrow is pointing horizontally, indicating that the speed is neither going up nor down. Constant speed is no acceleration (positive or negative). Notice that this condition continues immediately after impact, and the putter head continues to slow down thereafter. In the Great image, the putter head is actually slowing down slightly at impact (the arrow points downward). Then you see the BIG deceleration caused by the putter impacting the ball, and then the deceleration continues from there. Contrast those with what we often see from the golfers with the absolute worst distance control: This golfer actually manages to reach peak/maximum speed after the ball has left the putter . Note that his acceleration curve going into impact actually steepens - he is accelerating more at impact than at any other point in the downstroke. Then he accelerates MORE until he rapidly decelerates, well after impact, to bring the putter to a halt. This is more common than you might think. Golfers have been told for decades to "accelerate through the ball" and to "putt authoritatively" and so on. This advice ranks near the top of my list for counter-productive, harmful advice. By and large, the poorest putters accelerate far too much for far too long (including up to and after impact), while the best putters have roughly matching backstrokes and through-strokes that deliver the putter head to the ball while it is either not accelerating at all or is negatively accelerating (i.e. decelerating, or slowing down). If you feel you may be "accelerating" your putter into impact, put three coins on the ground, equally spaced from each other, in a line. Put the ball near the middle one, and practice making backstrokes that go to one and finish at the other. Try to feel that you're not adding anything to the downstroke or follow-through: you're not accelerating the putter much (just let gravity do it - in reality your muscles will contribute, but it's uncommon to feel much muscle contribution) and you're not forcing yourself to "brake" the putter too much at the end, either. Just make a natural, smooth stroke that matches - coin to coin. To change how far you hit the ball, move the coins farther apart or closer together, keeping the distances the same. If you still struggle with this, swing to the second or third longest coin, but still try to hit the ball a short distance and finish at the first or second coin on the follow-through. It's that simple. P.S. Note that I've made no attempt to show the scale of t and s. Specifically, I've fudged things a bit by implying that the the t is the same for all of these strokes, and that impact occurs at the same moment. This is very unlikely to be true: if you make a short backstroke and accelerate all the way up to and even after impact, you're likely to have a shorter (time) downswing and to reach impact sooner. They line up because I wanted to keep things simple, and because timing isn't really the topic here. P.P.S. A really old example of a SAM PuttLab read-out can be seen here . P.P.P.S. (2014-08-13) A great series of pictures and a simple explanation of the "why" is found in post #179:
  3. Since I am a newcomer to this forum, I wanted to share with you a rather funny You Tube video that I just made... I was out running errands, and decided to stop in that used sporting goods place here in town called "Play It Again Sports" (you might have one in your town too). They have everything in there... You name it, they got it. Some stuff is complete junk and beat all to heck, some stuff is really good, you just never know... Anyway, I stumbled upon an old Odyssey Dual Force putter for only $9.95 and is was almost spooky - I swear, that old putter spoke to me and said, "...a little up to the right... Over... There you go, you found me! Buy me, clean me up, and give me new life!" So, as you can tell, it came home with me! Ha ha ha... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpICvh8bAXY It will accompany my highly prized, custom made/component mallet putter that I've had for probably 15 or so years and will NEVER get rid of. It is a generic component of the Odyssey Rossie II mallet putter that a friend of my old former next-door neighbor made for me back in the day. I soon got creative in MS Word using that "Word Art" template thingamajig on my computer, and made a nametag of my name printed on glossy photo paper, cut out to fit, and I used my wife's hot glue gun and glued it in place. So, with all that said... I have a question for all the seasoned veteran golfers on here. How many putters do you own?
  4. Ok, let me clarify the topic here. I'm not looking for a counterbalanced putter. (though that's almost the length, I'm looking at.) I'm 6'5", 31 years old and have a fairly athletic build. I have average length arms for a person my height. (My wingspan is exactly the same as my height). My wrist-to-floor measurement is 36.25". I've played putters all the way down to 32.5" and as long as my 36" Ping Zing 2. I probably feel the most comfortable over the ball with my Ping Zing 2 length wise, but it still seems a smidge short (I have to bend over less than with say a 34" or 35" putter.) I'd like the be more comfortable over the ball, so I'm not in need of a heating pad after a 36-hole day. I was thinking in the 37" to 38" range not counterbalanced, and more upright (73° or so). What are the thoughts out there? Remember I'm looking for comfort over the ball, which I believe will be more beneficial to me, when I'm trying to hole that 4 footer for a 71 on the eighteenth hole.
  5. My shoulder isn't 100% and it's going to rain, but f*** it I'm going golfing tomorrow.

  6. I listened to Brandel Chamblee's interview and around the 25:00 mark he talks about anchoring, and how if he were the commissioner, he'd ask the USGA/R&A to re-write the rule to be clearer, and to avoid the ambiguity that a Scott McCarron or a Bernhard Langer create. So, @Vinsk, here's your chance to re-write the rule. Or anyone's chance. Some things that must be maintained: You don't get to legislate putter length. That's not the purpose of the rule, and some guys need a 37" putter because they're tall. Ostensibly, too, a longer putter is tougher to control, so if someone wants to truly swing a longer putter without anchoring, good luck to them… You don't get to abolish other currently legal types of putting. In other words, you don't get to say "both hands must be touching each other" because the arm-lock style would be illegal. Your rule must work in roughly the same manner as the current rule. You must keep in mind that the goal was to eliminate the idea of a part of the club behaving like a fulcrum or pivot point, and that the butt of the club should be allowed to freely swing. The definition changed related to the definition of a stroke. Brandel's point was that maybe the shirt even acts as a "soft anchor." That by feeling whether your thumb moves against your shirt, you can keep your thumb and thus effectively the butt of the club in the same place. Maybe you even rest your thumb against a button. He thinks you should not be allowed to touch your shirt. Though, then, immediately he said that if you're wearing a jacket and a sweater, where do you truly draw that line, and that even a regular club will occasionally catch a part of your jacket or whatever during a stroke, or when it's windy, or whatever. I think that's a good counter-point to his own argument, but the rules could simply say "when using a putter." The putter is a defined different club, with different rules already (though they're equipment-related rules). So maybe guys will just need to wear tighter jackets, and then they can't touch them from their elbows down when putting. What do you think? How would you re-write the rule? Share it here… … then the rest of us will pick it apart to see if it withstands.
  7. History on putters: I had been using a Ping B60 putter for about five years; had it fitted and added weight when I got it. A couple of years ago, I had it regripped with a Winn 1.18 XPro grip. I used it at first with left-hand low grip and later with a traditional hand grip (both with double interlock of fingers). I had trouble getting consistency no matter what I did. Last fall, I came across a Slotline Inertia SL-583F putter (circa 2009) - in a local golf shop. (Slotline history in spoiler.) It performed better than with my B60, giving better distance control especially on longer putts. The Inertia heel-toe weighting just felt smoother, and it was more upright - less back strain late in the round. It had an original pistol grip, a composite leather-acrylic item, which started to fray badly. So, I replaced it with a SuperStroke MidSlim 2.0 grip with a Counter-Core - a 50-gram backweight. (You can remove the core with a small wrench and go without it if you want.) I had tried several putters with the SS backweights, so I had an idea of what I wanted as a replacement. So, for those of you that use counterweighted putters (any brand and model), what do you have to say about them? Is it a new putter, or did you re-fit your existing putter? Any advice or warnings?
  8. Hi everyone, Do you have a Biomech Acculock. What grip have you used? What is the best stance you have used? What have you liked the most and the least? Let's support each other. Oz
  9. Vinchenzo561

    Putter grips

    Hello TST members I am looking for a new putter grip. Has anyone put the new golf pride snsr into play yet. I used the superstroke slim 3.0 for awhile and liked it. I recently got a new putter so I am currently using the stock grip. Im looking for some opinions from others. Pros and cons of the golf pride snsr. Feel free to throw in other options as well. What do you game and why? thanks.
  10. @Vinny Cap's thread got me thinking. Some years ago I read that Dave Pelz considered the belly putter (anchored) to be the "best" putting approach based on a statistical study he had performed. Next best was left hand low. I do not know how many versions of putting he studied and now anchoring is not permitted by the Rules. Conceivably, Mr. Pelz might have discovered an even better technique. As the poll demonstrates, there are a lot of ways to swing a putter and I suspect the list is far from complete. I have tried a few times to use "left hand low" but I've used the reverse overlap grip for 5+ decades and I will likely stick with that until I can no longer play. How about the rest of you?
  11. http://www.perfectstrokeputtingaid.com The PerfectStroke TPE putting training aid is a multifaceted putting training aid that reinforces a number of good things. It costs about $200 (some discounts are available) including shipping and comes with: A reflective base. Two posts to which you can attach… … one or two carbon fiber bars. … and one of two clear plastic strips with different alignment lines (single, double). The TPE can be used in a variety of combinations. You can attach or detach one or both carbon fiber rails and you can use use either (or neither) of the clear plastic alignment rails, which can also be oriented outward or inward if you're looking to encourage an exaggeration to change a stroke. The reflective base is great for seeing where your shoulders, your eyeliner, and things like that are at setup. The rails assist you in keeping the putter "on plane." If your putter stays on plane, it's tough to mis-hit the putt, and it's tougher (though not impossible of course) to over- or under-rotate the putter face. The alignment strips help you to line up square to the target line, with your feet, putter, etc. working back and through properly (ideally slightly inside the line on both sides, though how much it appears to do so will depend on where your eyes are aligned relative to the strip. Some Videos: This last video shows how easily the TPE can be set up: Over the next little bit, I'll be playing with and using the TPE 3.0 with students, with myself and my daughter, and checking out what else is possible (though the videos above really do show off the versatility!). Ultimately, I'll decide whether I'll recommend - or recommend against - the TPE 3.0 to golfers and instructors.
  12. Titleist Introduces New Cameron & Crown Putters by Scotty Cameron FAIRHAVEN, Mass. (Aug. 30, 2016) – The new line of Cameron & Crown putters by Scotty Cameron offers four of Scotty’s most-trusted models precisely crafted at 33 inches and specifically weighted for players whose setup demands a shorter putter. Available in golf shops worldwide beginning Sept. 23, Cameron & Crown putters deliver the craftsmanship, quality and tour-proven performance that have made Scotty Cameron putters the choice of many of the world’s best players for more than two decades: Each Cameron & Crown putter is custom designed at 33 inches and matched with properly weighted heads and new smaller diameter white Matador grips. This configuration ensures correct swing weight, providing optimal feel and balance throughout the putting stroke. From modern blade to high-MOI mallet, Cameron & Crown models are available in four of Scotty’s most popular head shapes – Select Newport 2, Select Newport M2 Mallet, GOLO 5 and Futura X5R – to satisfy the variety of strokes, styles and preferences of players at every level of the game. Multi-material technology – utilizing 303 stainless steel and 6061 aircraft grade aluminum for face inlays, face-sole components and flange constructions – is performance-matched to each putter style to provide ideal forgiveness and feel. A raw stainless steel finish with a unique Silver Mist treatment creates a radiant yet glare resistant appearance. New Cameron & Crown graphics blend Scotty’s familiar three milled dots with an elegant white, gold, silver and blackcolor scheme. “Each year, I’ve received increasingly more requests – from men, women and juniors – for 33-inch putters,” said Titleist Master Putter Maker Scotty Cameron. “We wanted to call special attention to the importance of weight and length and create a unique offering for those players whose setup dictates a 33-inch putter.” “When we pioneered the adjustable sole weight system,” said Cameron, “it became possible to match the putter head weight relative to the length for a balanced stroke. Cameron & Crown models are purpose-built 33-inch designs, not manipulated 35-inch putters, with two 20-gram weights to ensure the swing weight and feel of these putters are consistent with their longer counterparts. We then developed a smaller Matador grip to match that performance and feel. These are crucial details when it comes to making a confident stroke.” More info here: http://mediacenter.titleist.com/latest-news/all/titleist-introduces-new-cameron---crown-putters-by-scotty-cameron/s/7a952696-9057-4063-96cc-527e4cd2e36e .
  13. http://www.golfwrx.com/329484/review-cleveland-tfi-2135-putters/ I just purchased a Cleveland TFI 1.0 to upgrade from my basic Adams Tight lies putter that came with my 5 year old set. I went to Golfsmith three different times and I tried various Odyssey, Taylormade, Nike, and PING models. I was most satisfied with the Cleveland TFI. I have used it in two different rounds since I bought it and I feel much more control over my putts and actually feel the ball more (if that makes sense) than with the heavy tight lies putter I had. The grip that comes with the TFI is very comfortable and I have no problem keeping the putter steady. I did not feel the same way about some of the other models like the Nike Method. Some reviewers said the copper face and white insert distracted them when lining up putts. I never had this issue, as you can barely see the copper and white looking straight down. I also received many compliments about it from my foursome. I was worried about the copper being too flashy but I really like it now. The alignment bar is raised to the exact radius of a golf ball, hence the 2135 name. I found lining up putts was slightly easier and had less mishits. Now I still stink at reading greens so I didn't hole all those putts, but it did go where I aimed consistently. At $129, cheaper than almost all other putters I tried, I was very satisfied with the purchase.
  14. water_in_regulation

    Toe Balanced Putters?

    Hi, I'm looking at replacing my current toe balanced putter with a new one. I have found a few that take my fancy online at reasonable prices but for some reason they don't state whether they are toe balanced or not. Does anyone have any insight or any useful reviews on the following clubs and which would best suit my my arced putting stroke? Thanks in advance. Nike Golf Method Core MC-3i Putter Nike Golf Method Core MC-5i Putter Cleveland Golf Classic HB #1 Putter
  15. akammerer

    Putter Grip... What should i do

    Hey guys my ball striking has been pretty good lately but my putting has been lacking. I feel my putts aren't going straight,have good speed, or have control over them. I use a single overlapping grip and I was using that for everything do you think I should maybe switch it up and do a baseball grip? Or a left hand low grip to maybe get more control? Thanks
  16. Goodbye, anchored putting stroke. Do you have any last words?
  17. What do you think about cork putter grips? I think they sound pretty interesting. I'm not a fan of really soft putter grips but I do like the light weight oversized options. Unfortunately many of the putters today feel too muted for me and I'm not sure if it's always the face, the grip or a combination. Of course like many fisherman, I love the feedback I get with a cork grip. Why not try it with my putter? I think the option could provide some really good feedback and help my distance control and feel. What are your thoughts? Bettinardi had some options available on their putters. Salty Grips was the brand they had on their site. Interested to see what others think and if anyone has tried them.
  18. Earlier today I fit a college player and a reasonably good putter with an Edel putter. His putter was a typical blade - the old PING/Cameron/Everyone-Has-a-Version classic blade putter with some heel/toe weighting. He could aim his putter, from about ten feet (bear in mind that the laser reflects back over the same ten feet, doubling the error), to about four inches outside the right edge of the cup. Not great, but not as bad as we've seen from many. His putter had a single, solitary thin line on the top part of the putter. What was his best fit putter? It was an almost identical Edel putter: the Umpqua head with no lines or dots at all. In fact, when I gave him just a dot - I like to give some players a bit more help to center the ball up beside just the heel/toe weighting - he aimed it about an inch right of the cup. Trying something, I drew a line on the putter. Bam! Back out to a cup right. Take the line away? Center of the cup every time. Sometimes the tiniest of things makes a fairly big difference. Where it pulled his focus and attention, I don't know, but it resulted in some pretty big changes. Just a little dot. P.S. His putter was also pretty badly weighted for him, too, or else I'd have recommended he find some way to make that putter work and save the cost of the Edel putter.
  19. My Edel putter story: Short version: Switching to an Edel putter saved me an average of 1.6 putts per round, based on a comparison of 10 years of hole by hole data, all taken from league play at my home course. Best golf money I have ever spent. Long version: For Christmas 2014, my marvellous wife bought me an Edel Putter. My fitting was with Ryan at The Golf Lab in Toronto. Of note: instead of the mirror test, they do the whole thing using a SAM putt lab...which is brilliant. Super accurate, and I got to go home with some fancy charts and graphs showing the difference between my original Ping Craz-E, and the new Edel flatstick. My initial putts showed that I lined up about 1.5 degrees closed, then my swing path goes about 2.5 degrees outward. Face angle relative to path stayed roughly constant at impact, so the net effect was about a 0.9 degree push to the right on every putt. As per Dave Pelz, that means either I miss a lot of putts to the right, or read my break a little more left than reality as a subconscious compensation. Probably a mix of both. Frankly for a 17 handicapper, 1 degree is decent: you can still catch the lip on a 10 foot putt with a 1 degree push (insert high school trigonometry). The bigger thing the stats showed was that my pace was all over the place. Median was 1710 (mm/sec) for the 15 foot putt, but I was very inconsistent: anywhere from 1500 to 1900. and the results showed it: several putts left short, others long. This was after 30 minutes of warm up on their indoor green. Ryan fixed my pace in his first attempt: adding a 300g weight to the head end of the club, and suddenly I was stroking everything at a very consistent pace. The average was 1678, so almost the same as before, but the variance was tiny. Showed up in the putts as well as the stats. Damn near magic. Also really tightened up the impact dots on the club face. Before: After: Before: After: Aim was less magical. We went through about 15 variants over 45 minutes. He was trying to trick my brain into aiming 2.4 degrees closed, which if I used my existing path, would end up perfect. However somewhere around the 2 degrees closed mark, something subconscious would kick in and my path would change. Interesting was: the shape of my path was nearly identical, but at some point the closed setup would trick me into starting that path outside, instead of down the line, undoing the gain. In the end, we got it to around 1.9 degrees closed, with an ultimate effect of 0.5 degrees open at impact. Before: After: Then the hardest part: waiting for my putter to arrive, and then waiting for our Canadian snow to melt. Fast forward 10 months: how did the putter perform? I loved it from day one, but would it make a numerical difference in my scores? Here's the cool part: I play in a Sunday Morning Golf League at the local muni. It's a social league, with handicaps ranging between 5-25, but we take the rules seriously, and of note: we've kept per-hole stats for every player going back for 25 years. That includes strokes and # of putts for every single hole. I bought my Craz-E in 2004, and used it every year since. The entire 2015 season was with the Edel: SeasonAvg Putts / roundLeague Ranking - PuttsAvg 3 putts / roundLeague Ranking - 3 PuttsAvg Gross200432.898 / 112.2210 / 1198.17200532.158 / 111.778 / 11101.31200632.607 / 111.808 / 1196.25200732.297 / 111.719 / 1199.12200832.125 / 121.416 / 1299.18200931.575 / 111.798 / 1193.43201032.507 / 111.175 / 1195.17201131.083 / 100.923 / 1088.38201232.338 / 121.567 / 1290.00201332.146 / 101.938 / 1088.21201432.175 / 121.836 / 1290.61201530.551 / 121.201 / 1287.95 Avg putts per round with the Craz-E over 11 years was 32.17, this season was 30.55...an improvement of 1.62 putts per round. I reduced my 3-putt average from 1.65 to 1.20 disasters per round. And far more importantly: I went from being middle of the pack in our league, to being the number one putter. woo! My league gross dropped from 90.61 in 2014 to 87.95...a one season improvement of 2.6 strokes. It looks like 1.6 of that is directly related to putting, but I believe (but can't prove) the rest comes from putting too. On a regular basis this year, if I found myself short sided or some other ugly situation, I would just gouge the ball out to the fat part of the green and be ultra confident I could two putt from anywhere. In the past I would try to get too fancy from bad spots trying to get it close, and end up double-chipping or worse. Good putting breeds confidence. I love my Edel putter, and I'm seriously considering picking up an Edel wedge set this winter. Appendix: If you look, I also had a good putting year in 2011. That's actually an interesting comparison. That was the year I took an excellent 10-week short game + putting clinic at Whistle Bear golf club, and practised like crazy. Obviously it made a big impact that year, but I stopped practising and lost my sharpness. This year I had a lot of good intentions for regular practise, but it never happened.
  20. Mostly pictures... I thought it would be interesting to show you where the putter started and how it ended up. It obviously started from the "fitting cart" we all have to work with, and then the later shots show you how the putter looks when it comes from Texas. I aimed everything really well, but if I tended to aim to one side of the cup it was typically left a little. A little more offset (S2 hosel) and lines on the top rather than in the back of the head fixed things for me really well. Before: After: I got the Vari-Weight putter so my putter weights are interchangeable. On slower greens I can put in lighter weights and vice versa. They're a snap to pop in and out. The putter weighs exactly what I need (with the middle weights - 370/60) and feels great. The Pixl insert reduces the variance in ball speed from mis-hit putts so the ball will still roll out the same distance. The sound and feel are great .

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