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I decided I would start this thread because it seems like we have to be talking about this on a regular basis so I figured why not pool them to one spot. As someone who works with back injuries, the speculation, method of treatments and over analyzing makes me laugh a bit. In my professional opinion, I am surprised that Tiger is playing this weekend if his spasms were debilitating enough. Also just because he has a team of people working on him, doesn't mean that he would heal faster. Sometimes you have to leave it alone and do minimalistic treatments to let it recover. He did carry himself last week like he was having problems. The golf channel and having EVERYONE put their 2 cents in on back injuries is irritating.
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Well, there's that… and now that the final major is over (but there are still tournaments Tiger could win), let's get a start on looking at 2019. Vote in the poll above.
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Distance control is an "athletic" thing for most golfers. Unless you're Bryson DeChambeau, who knows that a 12" backstroke makes the ball go 15.739 feet (or whatever), players tend to putt best when they tap into their athleticism. That's why studies will point out how golfers putting from 25+ feet with their eyes looking at the hole often have better distance control (even though they slightly mishit some putts) than golfers looking down at the ball. Combine both: do what Tiger Woods learned to do from his dad. When taking his last look at the hole, he'd take a mental "snapshot" - a picture - of the hole, the green between him and the hole, his putt. Then, when he looks down at the ball, he sees the ball but he also sees the "photo" and then, per his dad's instructions, he "putts into the picture." I do this, and almost always have, even though when I started playing golf it didn't have a "title."
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Who is on your Mount Rushmore? For me it's Snead, Woods, Nicklaus, Hogan. Not in that order. 🙂
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I didn't include an "I don't know" in the choices in the poll above because that's the only answer any of us should choose. Hell, even Tiger and Joe himself don't necessarily know if he's the best choice - Tiger just uses the available information to arrive at a decision. But I've been thinking for awhile now that LaCava may not be the best for him. Stevie Williams was, of course, Tiger's caddie for 13 of 14 majors. He split off from Tiger not too long after the Thanksgiving night stuff in 2009. One of Stevie's best qualities, IMO, was that he didn't take shit from Tiger, and he'd step up and let himself be heard when he had something to say. He made Tiger hit a 60° wedge instead of (IIRC) a 56° wedge on the 18th at Torrey Pines in 2008, going so far as to say something like "I know how much this means to you, and if you don't hit the shot you want, fire me on the spot, but I feel that strongly it's a 60 here." The recent Tiger Woods biography pointed out that LaCava stood by and did virtually nothing while Tiger was walking around and surveying his options and ultimately dropped in the wrong spot on the 13th hole at Augusta in 2013. In fact, I've almost never seen Joey LaCava step in and talk to Tiger when the situation may warrant it - to cool Tiger down when he's running hot, to get him to focus when he's getting sloppy, etc. Williams could be seen doing these things - and more - all the time. He'd engage. He'd put his opinion out there. He'd tell Tiger - again this is documented in the book - to get his head on straight and to pay attention, or whatever. Joe just seems to be a bag carrier. Maybe that's what Tiger wants. Maybe he has lost some of his drive and passion and just wants to be a happier, less focused guy on the course. Maybe he doesn't want to have a guy getting in his face demanding something during his rounds. I don't know. None of us do. But the poll intentionally only has "yes" or "no" as possible answers. So vote. I voted "no." I think Tiger needs a more forceful, direct, in-your-face type of caddie. I think he needs to be challenged more, I think he needs to be held in check more, and I think he needs someone who can slap him around a little bit when he starts to get off track.
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http://www.golf.com/tour-news/2017/10/31/tour-confidential-tiger-edition-what-are-your-expectations-his-return-and-his-season I have a hard time believing people still think the chip yips were ever really a thing for Tiger. IMO he was caught between techniques, and playing on some grainy greens. He had put all of his time in on the full swing, and neglected his putting and chipping and short game stuff. He played beautifully only a few months later at Augusta the one time he "had" the "chip yips." But let's see what the poll is.
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I'm going to vote after I give it a little thought.
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https://www.golfdigest.com/story/tiger-confidential-what-pros-really-say-about-tigers-chances-at-the-masters What fascinated me about that article is the breadth and scope of the opinions, the sheer variety. Others correctly point out, for example, that even after a layoff in 2010, he came out and finished T4. Then two quotes later someone is saying he has no chance.
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Simple question. I voted for Woods. I'll close the poll when either of them wins.
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https://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/farmers-insurance-open.html I think he makes the cut, finishes 20th to 40th.
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Mod Note: this topic was created from an off-topic discussion in the Predict Tiger's 2018 Season discussion, after about 31 or 32 posts (hence @billchao's plea in post #31 to get back on topic. ??? No more so than almost every player on the PGA Tour. And less so than a good chunk. I don't know where you're getting that, but I disagree I'm getting that from watching this video and othes. He dips down 6 inches on a five iron, and stays down there, pulling off a massive timing move pulling up his left side to have an 8 inch level low spot. Amazing, but I see no one on tour doing that much. Lots of guys dip down to the ball, but non like Tiger. His shoulders steepen from X to X-20, more than anyone on tour. He puts massive twist and strain on his back maintaining posture with that speed with his angles. BTW, I will continue to make absurdist funny (to me and anyone who's ever read more than 3 books) statements as long as I live, cause its the right thing to do. Do you really not get Monty Python? Sad. Seriously, is it impossible to walk away from this absurd game with half a billion and do anything else? Al Frankin made a switch. Now he's back to comedy, but at least he gave it a shot.
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Tiger underwent an "Anterior Lumbar Interbody Fusion (MIS ALIF) at L5/S1". I honestly wondered why he didn't do this before. You can have a few fusions and still turn plenty well enough to play golf. http://www.tigerwoods.com/news/2017/04/20/225438912/tiger-undergoes-successful-back-surgery-to-alleviate-pain
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Since it appears (knock on wood) that Tiger Woods will be starting his first season in many years with a clean bill of health, I thought it might be fun for us to predict how we think he might do. Go ahead and make your pick in the poll and then elaborate on your answers in the thread if you so desire. To me, as somebody who wants to see him do well, anything from "Not bad" on up will be a good thing. For the sake of fun, though, I'll predict "Really good." He starts the year decent, builds his confidence, and breaks back into the win column before years end. What say you all?
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Discuss "The 1997 Masters: My Story" by Tiger Woods here.
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https://medium.com/@GrandCentralPub/working-with-tiger-woods-c9ed9cdf7ea4 Worth a read. It's very short.
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http://www.golf.com/tour-news/2017/02/12/tiger-woods-shows-support-nikes-equality-campaign He's largely avoided being political int he past, but he has commented on race a little in the past. He's not in that commercial, from what I could see, but he's tweeting about it.
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http://www.pgatour.com/news/2017/01/04/woods-commits-to-farmers-insurance-open.html Good to see his schedule filling out. Hopefully he'll get 2017 off to a great start with an early season win.
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It's official. Numbers and details not available as of now. He'll be using the B330S. http://golfweek.com/2016/12/15/tiger-woods-signs-golf-ball-endorsement-deal-bridgestone/
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Heard it on sports radio today. Apparently Tiger has committed to play at Riviera CC, in the "whatever it is called now" Open! Or Invitational! It's a new name now, and I don't really recall it. Apparently this a blast of nostalgia since this was the first pro tourney Tiger played in as a Sophomore in high school at the age of 16. Hope this isn't the start of of a "farewell" tour!
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Heeeeere's Johnny!
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Given the announcement that Tiger would not be playing professional golf this season, Colin Cowherd asked his listeners whether they'd have preferred to have Tiger's career or Phil's. Colin stated that Tiger (now 40) hasn't won a Major since Obama has been in office (his last was in 2008) and that since that time he's gone through swing changes, injuries, divorce and scandals which have diminished his overall legacy. Phil on the other hand is still playing great golf at 46, has a good family life, is well liked and beyond insider trading and gambling has avoided being on TMZ for indiscretions. So whose career would you have rather had?
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From the album: Statistics/GamePlanning/Other
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Christine is an excellent sports writer for USA TODAY. Today on page 1 of the Sports section. She was picked to do the birthday column since today is Tiger's 40th birthday. First, I want to wish Tiger a Happy Birthday! Christine discusses Tiger's 7 surgeries and his present physical condition, based on his own words. She then sums it up by writing that he is 40 going on 70! She gives a retrospective on his brilliant career since it is over! If Christine is right, then Tiger finishes 2nd to Jack in total professional Majors won (18 vs 14). He is 2nd to Jack in Masters won (6 vs 4). In the US Open, Tiger is 2nd again with 3 compared to the 4 won by Jack, Willie Anderson, Bobby Jones and Ben Hogan. In the Open Championship, Jack and Tiger are down the list with 3 apiece. Vardon won 6, and James Braid, J H Taylor, and Peter Thompson had 5 piece. In the PGA, Tiger's 4 is second to the 5 won by Jack and The Haig. In total PGA wins, Tiger's 79 is second to the Slammer's 84. Will Tiger continue to play? He says "Yes, IF his body let's him. And if it does NOT let him, then he has a contingency plan. "If I am not able to compete at the highest level in golf, I will find other things where I can compete at ". I guess we need to sing Bob Hope's theme song to him. "Thanks for the memories". It WAS a great ride!
