Patrick57

I also have a funny rash on my manlihood It was a great party though. Its when the boss commented on the size of my manlihood, I had to hit him. They're all Replicants. A bunch of machos with manlihoods that are six times bigger than mine. Yeeha! Where's the spittoon so that I can spit like a macho man.

That's two questions. I am not delighted with the results of my students because they cannot avoid being contaminated by the 'outside-in' version of teaching that is widespread in golf. I know only two students that fall into the avoidance category, my daughter Hcp 3 and another girl aged 11, Hcp 8. You've heard of me and so have plenty of others! I'm the guy who thinks that this game is getting taken over by techno-geeks in an age of techno-geeks who don't know any better.

Sorry I don't understand this.

Yes, macho men don't cry and don't admit to fear.

I was quite serious with my putting thread but was happy it got closed because I quickly realised that the brainiacs here were just to clever for simple logic. Back on topic though... Pressure is a point you reach because of fear. The fear of failure or success. A 6 foot putt for birdie or par, whether you sink it or not there is a decrease in pressure once its over. Relief from an intensity of fear.

Yes I mentioned this in the OP

Another Replicant. I work hard to combat fear on the course and I am not alone. Given the choice I would love to play without fear but its not something you can just shut off by standing back or alerting yourself to stop. Some golfers learn to live with it, others don't recognise it or work to conceal it but I try to eliminate it. Once you recognise that it exists, its only then that you can begin to work on eliminating it. Golf is a great life lesson, the macho men out there who can't admit to having fear on the golf course are probably hiding and smothering other feelings in their regular life. I only have to play nine tournament holes with someone and their and my true personality becomes transparent. Bottom line: Golfers don't need to go to a shrink to have their inner demons exposed, standing on the back nine with a chance to beat your record ought to do it.

I don't need proof, I only have to open my eyes and ears and listen to what golfers have to say about their rounds. I don't think I have ever met a golfer, in tournament golf at least, who has played more than 2 shots without displaying some levels of fear. This fear can diminish if you don't give a damn what your results are but that's a different story, then their fear turns into submissiveness and a feeling of low esteem. Be careful Eric, I think your advanced equipment is turning you into one of the 'Replicants' in 'Blade Runner'. Anyone who tells me they have never felt or can't remember the last time they felt fear playing this game is not a person I can take seriously. I love playing this game and I have learned how to play the game without fear but this is not an absolute because this is an on going commitment that although I have won many battles against fear, I still haven't won the war. You also have to make up your mind here, either "you can't remember the last time you had fear" or "you enjoy the game whether you have it that day or not." Your words.

OK yawn. I think Rebecca was especially good mannered. Yeah but not to me and I do know the golf swing. There is a study that proves this? NJF requires more senses, with hearing and feeling being used with seeing of course. Just because you can see what's happening to a tenth of a degree or so, doesn't mean our senses are going to be able to do anything about it. I could watch my knees bending to a tenth of a degree or so in the act of running but I doubt that would help me to become a better runner. And running is less complicated than golf, I think? I show students especially ladies, who cast, how the wrists should just try to pull the club etc and they great difficulty changing this simple move. You want to show golfers things that happen in 10ths of degrees and expect me to swallow it because it is scientifically proven. I can't believe how gullible golfers are becoming. Its not what I said. But i do not abuse it. This statement was directed more toward better forgiving equipment than lessons. I don't think I said because of lessons or anything in particular. 80-90% of putts for righties under 10 feet. Correct. You are learning from me. I can explain anything my student asks. A good coach will get back very well with basic algebra You are confusing me with some of your followers. You think because you have studied the bio and aero dynamics and calculus of the swing that you are a better coach than me. A good coach knows how to assist his student's learning process and the above knowledge is dodgy to say the least. I consider the most important trait for good learning is concentration. Now that I can teach.

I know plenty of golfers who go both ways. But its still the fear factor that ruins their score not how they react to it. The ones that bottle it up still ruin their scores because of it. Bottom line, almost every one suffers from this fear during scoring rounds.

The thread's about instruction being too technical. I discuss this at depth on another thread. NJF will change your swing more effectively than any of that judgemental stuff any day of the year.

Most of the golfers I know will not be motivated with what you advise but I agree its what they should be doing. And its still remains the biggest score wrecker there is. I believe if golfers learned to play without fear and had a concentration drill to cope with it, this one element would improve results and more importantly increase enjoyment levels.

I do use a camera, of course, it helps used correctly. People are hitting the ball better, further and straighter but on average they are not scoring better. I can only speak from my experience and I think that the studies of the intricacies at modern levels only confuse the handicap golfer. They sure confuse me and I know the swing rather well. I start to read about these things and think, stop, because I know once I understand it I'm going to instruct my student using this geeky stuff. Our bodies - muscles, joints, tendons - don't understand verbal commands and to complicate these even more is nonsensical.

. Thank you. I'll bear that in mind

The feel can be made real using NJF. The student gives feedback for what he is feeling and the coach agrees or disagrees with what he is feeling. Rather quickly the student's feel becomes real. I would prefer to say when my swing is where I want it and not where the instructor wants it. Apart from that I agree with this paragraph.

I don't have a weight problem Tutankhamun. Its no problem, the more I eat the fatter I get! P.S. Camera's do lie!

I'm here to discuss playing and learning golf. I have offered some advice but its not the reason I'm here. I didn't know until I signed up for this forum that it was completely different to what I expected. Its very techno orientated and that's not the only way. I know both to an extent and I'll go for and give the 'inside-out'/NJF version every time.

My point is, I have no doubt that we understand the swing more because of this equipment but we haven't learned to improve better. Who has these improvement figures? Every student who takes lessons or practices will improve most of the time but that they are improving quicker, not that I know of. My students not included.

Yes, inventing stuff, cars, TV and lawn mowers. We can't invent how to swing. We are inventing things that let us see what happens at super slow motion. Are we getting better? No. When will we realise that this only sounds good but isn't, instead its destructive. Golf is quickly becoming a sport where golfers are happy to say feel isn't real and no wonder when we need equipment that has nothing to do with feel.

Yeah thanks. That's better!

I get beat up but I try to answer my side of the argument. I haven't personally slagged anyone's swing or handicap. I have manners. I would love to show you how to score well in this game. Because you think this x-ray stuff is the way to go. There are coaches who can actually instruct without knowing stuff that is uncomprehensible at a physical level. I would not tell you not to study these things but don't go into it with anyone.

Judgemental Feedback: that's right, that's wrong, that's good, that's bad, well done, you've nearly got it, keep working on what I told you, see what happens when you do as I tell you and so on. Sound familiar? Non Judgemental Feedback: Tell me what you think happened with that last swing? What did you see? What did you hear? What could you do to make sure you don't turn your shoulders at the start of the downswing? Can you feel your wrists rolling on the back swing? Do you feel this in your right hand or left? Do you feel you are rolling mildly or wildly. Can you give me a number from 1-5 for how much you rolled your wrists? Sound Unfamiliar? NJF is the way to learn at a much quicker pace. It's how we change the feel is not real into the real feel.

Yes I got your point but the debate is how do you tell some one who is tearing his hair out and cursing his head off to just stand back and remember its just a game.

Hello everyone. I've been in central Europe for just over 15 years but before that I was mainly in the place where you lot - anyone who isn't Scottish - borrowed this game from. As my forefathers invented this game I think they would be very annoyed to see what you are doing with it. This simple game was not supposed to be technicalised. I say leave it alone and let the tour pros get into the nitty gritty of it. Or try to tell us Scots in single or double syllable words what you are all going on about. I love this game but some of you are rewriting the scriptures.

Sorry Steve, I had Torrey Pines in my head and got mixed up