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Sirs, The following is an example of: - A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that costs him the ability to maintain his forward tilt until after the ball is hit. - A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that forces his swing plane to raise vertically and unintendedly send the baseline out to the right Iacas, if this is not offering my thoughts in an informational context, I guess I deserve another timeout

The Lower Body Truth: [VIDEO]http://youtu.be/KhhUDG_JOMA[/VIDEO]

[quote name="iacas" url="/t/71453/the-lower-body-lie-that-is-devastating-golf/90#post_928905"] You'll find that one of the things long-time members of this forum like is that threads stay on topic. I fail to understand how discussing the wrists is relevant to "The Lower Body" and am deeming this off topic. If you want to discuss the wrists, start another thread. This thread should remain on the topic of the lower body and specifically the "lies" about which people have asked questions and you've failed - thus far - to answer. [/quote] I'm glad you got rid of that BogeyBogelThorpe right away. He is a NO GOOD troublemaker. In order to stay on topic, here is a pic of his lower body action

Well, I'm trying to make the point that how you pivot will have a direct effect on your impact conditions. One of those elements would be the state your hands and wrists would be in. Also, I am a TRACKMAN owner. So, I'm able to clearly verify the effectiveness of my hairbrained theories every day. Thank you Dr. Tuxin for enabling me the ability to finally provide the burden of proof

Dear TheSandTrip Community, I've had some time to evaluate my behavior during my 1 hour detention. I'm going to clean up my act and walk the straight and narrow from now on. Yes boss for me from now on. I like wrist conditions that are level and not uncocked at impact. I think it's easier to control AoA, Resultant Path, Face, and Dynamic Loft. What do you fellas prefer ?

Howessenever is Richard Pryor. iacas, please don't scold me. This is a direct answer to a direct question. Which would be sharing substantive information

I apologize for the lack of precision between photos. Howessenever, they both convey the motion I'm trying to instill

I did it with golf balls this time hoping that its less offensive than rocks. The yellow balls would be the right hip motion from address to its impact location which is designated at the red tee:

I beg your pardon. I put these rocks on the ground for my students to look at when I'm trying to teach the pivot

This is a trace of Ben Hogan's right hip in a 3d model called Blobman, developed by Gregg McHatton. The rock at the top right corner is his hip at address. Everybody please quit being so mean to me. I'm fragile

Wow Newtogolf, An instructor that has a competitive background, playing in 300 professional golf tournaments before beginning their full time teaching career is a bad thing ??? Also, what about my swing theories implies that I don't understand the golf swing ? and how in the world have you already gleaned that I don't know how to teach ? I have some students doing pretty well in competitive environments Also, what have I tried to SELL ? I just wanted to have a discussion about the golf swing and why each year lesson takers don't improve ?

Colon, It's cool. Everybody's cool. We're just discussing how the average golfer hasn't improved in 40 years even though the modern equipment has dramatically changed the game at the top level

See !!! I told you the lower body was the critical element. Everything on top is already being done in the versions of both units Thanks for the warning about google. Isn't it weird how telling people "don't" probably increases the chances of them doing it than if you actually said "do" ?

Posting pictures is ABSOLUTELY discussion ! Congrats also on being an owner of this site. I would have posed this in question form, but iacas gets mad at me when I ask questions; (Can I ) I want to be be the new swing guru on this site ! (?)

Ok. I'll be good. I'd like to DIRECTLY DISCUSS the role of the right hip in the golf swing:

Hey iacas, As owner of this site and a businessman, if you go on WRX and tell them there is a Lower Body Lie thread with me on it, you will have more activity on this site than you've ever had

Congrats on your ownership of the site. I hope in the spirit of science you afford your members room to discuss different opinions Asking questions is vital to be able to get into the differences in methodologies. If you look at my post w/ pics, I'm clearly telling you what I believe Nobody's trashing you. Jeez. The world is becoming so sensitized. I knew we were in trouble when kids started wearing helmets and knee pads to ride bicycles

Mvmac, I don't understand. Did Playerhater get to you already ??? I provided pictures of a fella in his downstroke sequence compared to Grant Waite, the poster boy for the modern agreed upon pattern. I think there are some clear differences. I posed my beliefs about staying in your tilts and not getting so far ahead in question form as to not be so authoritative about what MUST happen in a golf stroke. There are many different ways to organize the movement of your body, arms, and hands to deliver the golf club to the ball. I was just hoping to come on here and discuss the benefits and liabilities of different patterns. You're not by any chance Pinhigh on the WRX forum are you ?

It sounds like you are ready to graduate to the WRX big leagues !!! Your attitude will be a keen fit over there Also, I applaud you about your multiple account sniffing abilities. I NEVER had multiple accounts over there, and I assure you I won't here. (Warning- Playerhater should be watched carefully for this)

Playerhater, I recognize you from WRX. Please do not come over here and start trouble. This is a respectable site and these guys are not like those punks over on WRX. They want to have a discussion about golf and not about BS. They believe that you can have a differing opinion and still participate in conversation

Is it possible to be with "the majority of your weight on your left side, a steady head, and a flat left wrist" without getting so far forward that you have to "hold" your angles ? Could it be possible, even desirable, to strike the ball without losing "flexion" or "releasing the pelvis" and "raising the handle" ?

Interesting. I believe that the lower body moving laterally would absolutely tilt the "secondary" axis if what you're referring to is your spine / upper body tilting away from the target. The guys on WRX claim that this move is essential to "shallow" the attack angle. Which, they clearly believe is golf's Holy Grail / Magic Bullet You're saying it would move the low point forward. Would this then steepen the angle of attack ?

Well Big Ern (remember Murray in Kingpin ?) I guess I was intentionally cryptic in order to provoke debate, which I was certainly successful doing, over 50,000 views in my 4 threads in 8 days. They even create new threads for me in order to try to get me to engage. Then the chicken$hit moderators ban me. And the very nature of debate would be that each side would have to argue their beliefs. Those sissies on WRX just didn't like being told the world wasn't FLAT and they reacted badly. Like babies. I was never once rude to a single WRX member while they were just rotten to me.

Mvmac, I believe there should be some slide also. What do you feel like this slide accomplishes ? Jamo and billchao, I'm going to go walk my dog. I won't be posting till I get back. Sorry in advance

Jamo, Sorry about letting it go 22 posts. I started the thread and then had to go teach. Not sure about cyber-forum etiquette. My only other experience on a golf forum is WRX and sometimes there would be hundreds and hundreds of posts that would go on without me explaining anything