DaveST

Finally got video of the stills up. This is the more recent video made last night, better angle and after getting some practice I feel the mistakes are less in it. Positions at impact should definitely be better than the first video because this was made while doing drills specifically to increase club lag/flat wrist forward at impact

haha yes definitely a typo - I meant backswing not downswing It's less that I am treating my practice swing as the gold standard and more that I just seek the relaxed feel I have during it which allows for a faster club head and maintained club lag. Right or wrong I feel more tense over the ball and it affects my swing. I understand there are differences in mechanics between the two swings and neither are perfect but what I want to overcome is the anxiety and tenseness when addressing the ball. A tense muscle is a slow muscle after all.. and far less flexible That said I am working on the points addressed immediately but I don't agree with your reasoning to cast away the difference from the practice swing. However I will be working on this first and see where it leads so thank you

It really helps if you have someone to help you. An instructor is irreplaceable. However short of that, buy a mount for your camera to take footage of your swing so you can continuously work and analyze. Many times what you think you are doing you are not. This way you can make the most of your practice time rather than go through an entire session to find out that you were practicing something wrong I used the Protosports attachment for the iPhone but there are others on the market. I love the iPhone 5s Slow motion too, extremely helpful

Thank you I find this a lot more helpful. I posted the pictures I could that were the most recent because I didn't have a youtube account and it took until now to get it started and the video uploaded. The reason it still feels mental to me is exactly because of what you said though, I'm not worrying about trying to get the ball in the air on the practice swing. To me that sounds like the definition of a mental block. I see the issues you point out but at the same time I see the those same movements in both the practice swing and actual swing. I'm aware my head drops on the downswing but it hits the same spot it started in at impact as I stand up. Not to say I shouldn't work on that but since it is evident in both swings it doesn't seem like the fix to me. This gives me things to work on but I do the same things in both swings. His left arm looks more relaxed though. I am certainly going to work on stopping from tilting over my left side though and get more centered and work on my head movements thank you

Thanks for the reply. I think its a mental block only because no matter how many videos or swings I take I can't come close to repeating the angles in my actual swing. Even if I shanked, hit it thin or fat I just want to see that I can make the same swing. My goal of course is to just maintain the lag deeper into the swing like Sergio, NOT have extreme club lean like the stills but just holding off the release longer. I feel it is mental because I can feel my muscles tighten ever so slightly when addressing the ball which I'm sure leads to all those other issues. That tightness though that's what I want to get rid of. I actually can hear the club swinging much faster in the practice swing than the actual swing too because of maintaining the club lag longer. So far the only workable solution I have found is to start low and slow practicing 1/5 swings to 1/4 swings gradually more and more maintaining the club lag until I am up to a full swing but it is slow going and I haven't made much progress yet. Sorry to those offering help that I am short with but the big issue to me is WHY the swings different not which one in your mind is better.

Here is a slow motion video of a practice swing and actual swing. Again. The issue is that the two swings are different. The actual swing loses it's angle way too early. There IS a middle ground between having too much club lean at impact (practice swing) and losing the angle too early (actual swing) and I can't get there until this block is broken.

So your way of helping is to ignore what I am seeking help with completely and just telling me my swing has the proper lag and I don't need help? Gee that's helpful! Rather than everyone throwing their swing fixes at me I am looking for someone to reply that has experience in overcoming mental blocks and repeating the same swing as a practice swing in a real swing.

That is one thing I am trying out to see if it helps because I did notice in the slow motion videos that my practice swing had that unconscious drop before initiating the downswing while my actual swing you can see the tenseness as my hands initiate pulling it down. That's not really a hip move though (I'm uploading to youtube a video now) that is more of an issue of my upper body being too tense and trying to force it

I feel like you guys are misunderstanding my goal here. Creating lag is not the issue. My practice swing shows that I am able to create it easily without forcing it or being tense. That's the point. The problem I have is that I am not able to maintain this freedom and lag in my actual swing. Also please stop trying to address the hip turn - again I am not asking how to get more power. I am asking how to repeat the easy free flowing practice swing I have ALREADY managed to make. You are also misreading the still images. The video shows a full hip turn. Regardless, the hip turn is not affecting the practice swing or the lag and therefor not the solution I am seeking here. Hip turn is full and complete.

Read through a lot of the beginning pages and thought I would add my experience. I'm a proud stack and tilt student but when I was first introduced to it I wasn't aware what "stack and tilt" even was. I didn't realize it was what I was being taught until 5 months afterwards. If you are able to find a good informed teacher you will see quick progress. The more I learned about Stack and Tilt the more I learned what makes a swing work. I went from casting my right hand with high banana slices to penetrating draws. After my first 2 lessons I instantly noticed a difference in compression. I stuck with my instructor because of this and continued to learn a great deal. I was lucky enough to work with Bennett a few times as he came through my town and would meet my instructor and each time he did my mind was blown on how quickly he was able to adjust my swing for even more break throughs with his drills and camera. I know there are many moves non stack and tilt that will create more power for you but they also will require more practice and better timing. For me at my level I want to master the stack and tilt fundamentals for consistency before adding more non stack and tilt "power moves" that will create inconsistent timing issues which requires it's own practice. Educate yourself though. Most of the S+T students I have met have moved on to an "evolved" stack and tilt swing to create more power once they have mastered the fundamentals of the stack and tilt. Notice I say "once they have mastered" If you are inconsistent, lack compression and desire a draw then you should give Stack and Tilt an honest effort and make your adjustments from there or at the very least learn what the difference is. Don't make any swing changes without understanding "why" you are doing what you are doing. I feel like a lot of the bad rep it has gotten is from other Pro's protecting their income. If they can't teach it to you then they aren't going to say anything kind about it. Every pro I met that wasn't informed on Stack and Tilt only spoke negatively about it despite not being trained in it themselves. That's unprofessional at its best and I make certain not to send any students their way after. It's one thing to say "I've learned what Stack and tilt is about but I believe this is the better path for you and here's why" but it's quite another to say "don't mess with it, it will only screw you up and I refuse to deal with it or learn more about it". If you encounter any instructor that reacts the 2nd way leave immediately and don't go back. They just want your money and they have lost their ability to learn themselves. All PGA pros continue to go through seminars and should continue to learn more every year. If yours doesn't, that's a big red flag. If ever you get the chance take the seminar with Bennett, it is worth the money and he gives complete 1 on 1 attention even in group lessons. However you learn to swing just always learn the why's. If your pro restricts your knowledge that's a red flag. Always keep your ability to be wrong and learn more. A lot of older pros have lost that and consequently are stuck in their ways. Stack and tilt was a big breakthrough and fix for me and I am extremely glad to have learned and continue to learn more about it. Stack and Tilt Student since September 2012

I would rather deal with that issue separate from what is obviously a mental block though. I want to be swinging free. The actual swing I'm missing positions on the downswing and losing the lag too early. That's worse to me than having too much forward lean in the shaft.

I am not looking for a swing fix beyond a way to repeat the practice swing and I don't even agree with that sorry. My hip turn looks the same to me in both the practice swing and actual swing and all I want right now is a repeat of my practice swing. My hips turn fully through post impact This has to do with the anxiety of addressing the ball and the tenseness that comes with that. I'm trying to learn how to swing through as if the ball isn't there...

So I have a very big mental block that I cannot seem to find a way to overcome. Video analysis and stills from my swings show that in my practice swings I have tremendous club lag but in my actual swing it all goes out the door. My shots are still great shots but I can see this is where I am losing a lot of potential power. What's worse is I know that I can do it but no matter what I can't repeat it on an actual shot. Even my greatest shots on tape show that I was far from hitting the angles of my practice swing. I understand it's mental but are there any drills I could do to eliminate this difference? Pictures attached. First practice swing pic, then actual swing, then practice, then actual etc....