Thats great info and i appreciate it. Thanks for taking the time to write that. Ive found that in order for me to get a consistant fade, i have to manipulate the follow through somehow by finishish it shorter ( held off) and higher. I dont feel comfortable holding the club open at address or anyting like that , i always hold it square. For a draw i just try to make a full body turn with my follow through and finish normally i guess. Ive worked a lot with my alignment. I used to stand open at address , not on purpose, it just felt like i was aiming straight but in reality i was aimed left.. Now when im actually aiming straight, it feels like i am in a closed stance or aiming right. But now it lets me make a full turn through my swing without fear of pulling the ball. My fear would always be of pulling or duck hooking the ball, and since my alignment was aimed a little left it would result in a push slice as i guess my body was trying to compensate for the wrong alignment. But any insight on how to manipulate the swing to hit certain shots would be great, or if what i said above makes sense let me know