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perhaps go and read Pretzel's last post where he would actively try and put me off by moving ahead, many here seem to work on their own margins for error, often Im left want to fade or drawing my shot from my position behind someone and need to start it in their general direction, could be at least 20 degrees from a straight line drawn at the pin, but no, Im not going to pull the trigger on that one when an unintended straight ball or double cross could take them out........so Im forced to swing cautiously or hit in another direction, or indeed that I err on the side of the toe side of the club to avoid a shank ......I think that fits the description of "restricting the way you swing"

...no I did not "charge" anyone with blocking my editing, here is what I wrote does that look like I charged anyone with blocking, just let people know that I realised I'd mixed the quotes but wasn't able to fix.......and the fact is that whether a real person sat there and blocked it or it was an administered automatic function it was BLOCKED for editing. The reply from ERIC implied that I was complaining about being blocked.....and along with the rest of the context of his post where he claimed I have some paranoia and golfing deficiencies it was CAUSTIC. so please READ properly before you waste everyone's time with your nonsense and see that particular person for what they are.

hitting a bad shot is not justification for infringing on the rights of those on the tee, you are going to make it more difficult for some because of your movement/position so you get extra time to search for your ball? You should be waiting till they have all hit, then be hitting a provisional.......if you think its going to be hard to find. the RoG state five minutes from the time the search has started(and you can enact that if you like), for expediency though an agreement in our playing groups is we divide that by four if we have four looking for it......and if not found in a minute and 15 seconds the ball is given up for lost........that's how you play fast.

It is covered by the rules outlined in this post: http://thesandtrap.com/t/71432/what-forms-of-golf-etiquette-do-you-ignore-and-why/144#post_1088063 if you refuse to move when asked you will be the one that is in breach of the rules.

.....if indeed he was trying to be helpful, then all that was needed was "the site blocks edits after nine minutes".....not "NO_ONE was TRYING TO BLOCK YOU OUT"......as though I was having a whinge! he wants to improve my swing......no it was pretty obvious, imply that I was incompetent and has no place on a golf course, and hence have no right to insist that others don't make the game more difficult for them by moving into my possible hitting zone. I don't really care whether Im in the minority here, the rules of Golf weren't arrived at by taking a majority vote on every issue, most people don't care for most of the rules in the book....but they are there to cater for all circumstances and make it fair for everyone. People that position themselves that restrict the way I swing or where I can hit it are seriously affecting my game(RoG are there to protect my rights here).....if anyone can explain how the game of someone is going to be affected by not being able to move ahead at will(we are talking about balls on fairways,,,,not ones yet to be found in the trees), then let me know.......no..... pace of play is a furfy justification

it was caustic as you were trying to imply I was a serial complainer, blaming others for being blocked out(I wasn't born yesterday) and using this to try and label me as unreasonable in my expectations of etiquette, incapable of reading "please read people's posts" , clear to anyone who looks at the context of your post.......where you personally attack me in every sentnence.........capping it off with that I should read the lessons on how to hit straight so I can be a champ like you: . http://thesandtrap.com/t/71432/what-forms-of-golf-etiquette-do-you-ignore-and-why/144#post_1088187

I wasn't complaining or accusing anyone, just stating a fact. You could have said, "admin has decided on a 9min limit on editing", rather than this caustic statement: Quote: Originally Posted by iacas You weren't "blocked" from editing by anyone. The site simply limits edits to a 9-minute window. perhaps its time to move on yourself when this is your final response to people who don't agree with you.

Sorry about misattributing the quote, not having much success with the quote buttons/ multiquote buttons despite the directed tutorial [quote name="Pretzel" url="/t/71432/what-forms-of-golf-etiquette-do-you-ignore-and-why/162#post_1088249"] I would assume the research that Iacas has done is related to the fact that he is a PGA certified golf professional with years of experience. It quite literally relates to his job to know the rules and etiquette of golf. You can bet that he's done quite a bit of "research" in person if he loves the game enough to make it a career. [/quote] its there in black and white for you, Iacas clearly hasn't done the research and unfortunately despite his said PGA certification and position as an administrator I find his manner quite off putting(they do teach customer relations to PGA professionals?) and indeed he seems out of touch with those that aren't experts at the game and actively seeks to try and put down those that aren't able to hit with laser preision, says it all in these two quotes + indeed the research he hasn't done: [quote name="iacas" url="/t/71432/what-forms-of-golf-etiquette-do-you-ignore-and-why/144#post_1088187"] You weren't "blocked" from editing by anyone. The site simply limits edits to a 9-minute window. [/quote] ......the fact is I was blocked from editing..........whether it was a real person or a real administrator that setup the protocol is irrelevant! [quote name="iacas" url="/t/71432/what-forms-of-golf-etiquette-do-you-ignore-and-why/144#post_1088187"] , lots of other threads here. If you want to shoot lower scores and be more confident in your shotmaking and the direction of your misses, hit up the Swing Thoughts section of the site in particular. [/quote] at my club we have had a lot of tour players through and have played with many of them, they regularly outdrive members by 80 yards+ yetthey respect our abilities and don't move forward until we have hit.....and likewise we don't move past them when our second shots go past their drives!

y[quote name="Pretzel" url="/t/71432/what-forms-of-golf-etiquette-do-you-ignore-and-why/144#post_1088068"]I Nobody's ever had a problem with it, and your position is entirely unique in the game. I've seen golfers go ahead ALL the time, at every level of the game: PGA Tour, weekend duffer, etc.[/quote] A bit disingenuous don't you think?..........really and what research did you do on this? A quick search in Google and found this: http://golfrewound.com/forums/general-golf-discussion/11606-etiquette-walking-riding-ahead-1.html Apparently there are many others with the same unique view.

apologies above, Ive got what pretzel and icacus said mixed, Id fix it but was blocked from editing. Ill make this my last post in this thread, obviously those that walk ahead of others here for no real good reason other than that's what they have always done, are not going to see it from the perspective of those that are not confident in their shot making.

you are not playing within the rules when a player asks you not to stand where they find your position or actions distracting, possibly I wouldn't find where you position yourself with the blue dot a distraction, but it seems within shank range to me, why should I have the thought of "guard against the shank or I could kill someone"? No-one has any reason to complain if you stand still, don't stand to close and keep quiet........it is not that hard, my regular four understand and respect it and we do the course in 3 1/4 hours without carts. The other aspect why is there a need to walk ahead if you aren't looking for your ball?, it actually slows the game down. The people behind you need either to wait until you walk up to your ball to know where you are positioned or do you expect them to hit whilst you are actively moving past them? Ive already made comment on what happens on the pga tour......go back and read it.

Here are some relevant statements from the RoG,: 1.Players should always show consideration for other players on the course and should not disturb their play by moving, talking or making unnecessary noise. 2.Players should ensure that no one is standing close by or in a position to be hit by the club, the ball or any stones, pebbles, twigs or the like when they make a stroke or practice swing. 3.The “line of play’’ is the direction that the player wishes his ball to take after a stroke, plus a reasonable distance on either side of the intended direction. The line of play extends vertically upwards from the ground, but does not extend beyond the hole. A person who continues to walk past me whilst I am addressing/ hitting to get to their ball is in violation of no.1, they are both a visual and audible distratction. If another player positions themselves so that the person hitting feels like they may have the possibility of hitting them, they are making it impossible for the player hitting to follow the rules as outlined in no.2 ......and it is the decision of the person hitting whether it is safe, they are the one hitting the ball, not you. No.3 outlines a reasonable distance, whilst that statement is somewhat subjective, ultimately it is up to the person hitting to decide(they have the best knowledge of how much they can miss by), if you decide for them what is a reasonable distance then you are in breach of no.3.....not showing consideration for other players. Allow the person hitting to swing freely and not have to put thoughts into the swing equation about guarding against missing it in your direction. hurt my feelings......no, it just disturbs me that these people have not thought about how the game of golf is played.......the way you and some others are thinking..........why even bother for them to hit at all, just keep going, putt out and get on with the next hole......golf is played in groups and you play with that group. I am not alone in observing this:

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the rules say not to hit in the direction of another player and if one feels that they at risk of hitting another, one shouldn't hit, regardless of whether that person chooses to put themselves in your path. as I mentioned previously,(why not read my previous posts), I have no wish to be attending a coroner's inquest explaining why I hit when there was someone within my range of probable shot paths.

for the majority of the time, that is the typical scenario, both players on the fairway and the bomber walking ahead, if you care to read carefully, then I am understanding of perhaps the bomber discretely walking ahead well off the fairway to look for their ball in the trees. If I'm off the fairway/in trouble its even more reason the person shouldn't be walking ahead, they wont have any idea how my ball is lying, what is in the way, whether Im going to have to chip out sideways, go left or right of an obstacle.......whatever. Its tough enough establishing the line to hit on, then having to check where the clown is that is walking ahead.....gimme a break.

that's even worse.......people who drive carts going ahead.......a bigger obstacle to negotiate......I think that deserves another thread, etiquette in using a cart.

you see it on the PGA tour because they are always waiting on the group in front. If the coast was clear, Bubba wouldn't be walking to his ball 100yards further down whilst his partner was hitting. True enough they will hit when someone is positioned further down the fairway, but Ive never seen them make people hit it over their heads, and a pro probably is comfortable hitting into a 5 degree window. Though I did see the caddy for Julieta Granada(one of the shorter hitters on tour) have to go and clear the two big hitting partners of hers out of the way in an LPGA event

well yes I am ready to hit, Ill typically get to my ball first because I walk quickly.....and if the group stops moving while I address the ball, Ill hit it. But there are clowns that keep moving!......treating one like they are not there. If you are on the fairway you are not 45 degrees of my line,if you are 50 yards ahead on a 50 yard wide fairway then there is a zero chance of you being within 45 degrees of the intended line......think about it, worst case scenario, Im on one edge of the fairway , you are on the opposite, we'd be 45 degrees apart.....but where would I be aiming, somewhere done the middle of that giving me only 22 degrees of margin either way....... Back to the rest of the time the angle for error would be much smaller, and that's part of etiquette, if you are making others uncomfortable by where you choose to position yourself, then that is bad etiquette, regardless of whether you feel comfortable given only a 5 degree window to hit in to.

Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Parker0065 Cell phones though,,,,a big No Go! Put it on vibrate and check it after every shot you hit while your waiting for others! Its part of the rule at our club that not only should the phone be on silent, but you shouldn't be using it through the round as your portable office/entertainment. If you can't be away from communication for business, personal etc for the duration of your round, you haven't got the time to be playing golf. Part of golf is being social with the group no matter who you are, whether its a 12 year old paired up with a 65 year old or similar. Its just the same as if you went out for a meal and the people around you were doing nothing but checking their email and replying to texts rather than engaging with the people that actually went to dinner with them. Im not sure on the current state of the ruling, but phones with gps functions are not permitted if they have connections that permit one to get local weather conditions......which is basically all phones, personally I don't care if someone is using their phone legitimately in this case as a GPS as I don't see any advantage in being able to get a local weather report/radar reading etc.

its etiquette not to walk ahead of people for a reason,: you are most likely going to be walking ahead of the people that are behind you whilst they are hitting hence causing a distraction because: 1. you are moving 2. the players hitting have to concern themselves where you will have moved to by the time they take address and hit the ball 3. with your back to them you are visibly showing a DISINTEREST in what they are doing/observing where their ball goes, maintaining the integrity of the game /fairness to the field when you sign their card(yes you are meant to watch them hit the majority of shots) 4. obvious safety reasons...at my club I've heard of about 10 people getting very badly hurt/hit......and the ball was from "friendly fire", playing partners, not strays from adjoining fairways. you are putting extra pressure on the players behind you to: 1. play faster, because they are made to feel they are behind all the time....you've hit it pass them, be happy with that, you don't have to announce it to the world and go position yourself where your ball finished up 2. have to not miss hit their next shot to avoid you standing down the fairway, not of all us are pro standard and can hit it down the line of the gallery. 3. people that walk ahead seem only to be working in straight lines, the people behind you may be thinking of shaping their shot left or right, especially if they are positioned on one side of the fairway. There is nothing worse than having to yell at the clown 80 yards down to move out of the way because you are intending to perhaps hit a fade and need to start it near where they are standing........there is always the risk of a double cross or straight ball taking them out....... Ive really explained this all in previous posts, but if there are people here that believe that there need to walk ahead overrides all these reasons for the etiquette, then hope we never shall meet.

distractions from outside influences are part of the game.....AND not what Im complaining about. Playing partners that cause distractions.......be it causing one to aim in a slightly different spot on the fairway......because of where they choose to stand.......whether deliberately or not is GAMESMANSHIP........and that is not golf.

why would you be on one side of the fairway, wouldn't you be more likely to be in the middle? than anywhere else?, its the person up ahead that will park themselves on the edge of the fairway. Do the trigonometry, if you are in the centre with, allowing for 30 degrees of line either way, and the other person is 100yards further down the fairway then you are then you are 57.7yards(tan30 = x/100) from edge of the fairway, making it 115 yards wide and yes, I did qualify if someone has gone ahead to look well into the rough, just not on the edge then that is an acceptable reason to walk ahead, its more those that bomb it 50 yds past me and can clearly see it but they still have to go walk ahead and be in picture when Im hitting that annoy me.

Sorry, was I Icomplaining about noises/distractions that are beyond the immediate playing group?, certainly not, everyone has to deal with that, whether its traffic noise or an emergency vehicle siren.......whatever. The issue is when the distraction comes from the group you are playing with who are much closer to you, who are then showing you the utmost disrespect in not following correct golf etiquette. Same as golfing crowds, you could justify your cell phone ringing half way through Tiger's swing because there was possibly just as much traffic noise at some other time in the day, see how long you last with that one. its really very basic; while I'm hitting/addressing the ball(its all over in 12 seconds): don't stand too close, stop moving, be quiet and don't walk ahead - unless your really need to search for your ball.

you obviously play on wider fairways than me or are over stating your angle, for someone to be a 100 yards ahead and be 30 degrees off your line on either side, your fairway would need to be 115 yards wide.

Pace of play should not be used as an excuse to forgo proper golf etiquette. I don't consider people moving close by while Im hitting a minor breach......its just as big a distraction to me as someone blowing a whoopee whistle while I'm swinging. My regular foursome can play within the bounds of proper etiquette and get round in less than 3 1/4 hours, its about walking quickly, knowing your turn to play, not taking forever over the ball.