I find this discussion interesting (been a lurker for awhile). I'm a fairly bad golfer at this stage with the hopes of eventually being a consistent bogey player (I know it's low bar for around here, but I've no delusions about golf being anything more than recreational). I've done a few lessons over the last few years and while I think I have gained from them overall, I'm kind of at a crossroads where I either go for more technical instruction or find my own path with what I know. I'm hitting the ball as well as I ever have but it's not all showing up on the scorecard at this point. So there is some frustration with that, but I think I could probably drop several strokes if I just work within my current limitations and concentrate on a natural way (for me) to swing while just focusing on getting the club face square to the ball. I'd probably give up a little on the full back swing but I tend to hit my irons long anyways so I'm not really that concerned. I guess for me personally, in the terms that Adam uses when both players aren't playing well, I'd prefer to have a more natural and self-evolved swing for my recreational play to fall back on. So I appreciate AY for putting these thoughts out there as I definitely think they are helping me to figure out which way I should try to make my next step. Maybe I'll take a step back (not that there are many for me to go) but I also think getting something that feels right and blocking out a lot of the overthinking analytical stuff I may actually improve my game in shorter time. Anyway, I guess I'm more thinking out loud than adding to the conversation but that's my take as a high handicapper that is really just trying to get beer-league recreational golf "good".