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  1. Yep his books are golf life changers. Everyone should read them and really soak in his message and think about how it specifically applies to you and your game. Thanks Rotella!
  2. Yep it has to be individual based. I think the other problem is all of this talk is very dependent on what a player wants to be able to accomplish. The goal a player has dictates what they have to do in order to achieve it. These topics are too broad and its why the debate is wide open. So the question for me becomes, is the player just wanting to swing a club, or are there very specific goals in mind. There is a level of physics and reality to how a club interacts with a golf ball. If a player has very specific goals in mind then the player needs to Hear, See, and Feel what to do correctly in order to accomplish the goal. In every level of motor skill learning research has shown that multiple forms of learning rises high above just one form. So absolutely a player has to feel what to do correctly.. the key word is correctly which is where feel vs real comes into play. I have experienced thousands of times where I have had a player feel what to do in one way but then due many reasons not be able to accomplish the same feel in a full swign focused on a target. I agree mechanics can be a barrier, but mechanics can be in many forms ( feel based included ) a skill to be learned and developed which later contributes to the abilty to achieve the goal the player is seeking. So I think again Chris has a great question here. Like anything too much of one thing can be more of step back then a step forward ie. 1000 swing positions. I believe the lack of learning for most is related to not just the form of instruction but more due to the lack of coaching a player through how to do something and what to expect along the lines of trying to do something. The coaching part is more of the issue in my opinion. Now for each individual and thier specific situation ( physically, mentally, goals, etc. ) there is a very specific better way to help them ( mechanics, or basic thought, or basic feel ). As humans we learn best from all 3 inputs however Feel, See, and Hear. I think the origninal question is a little to broad in nature to say 100% ditch the positions, and is very dependent on what a player is trying to do and potentially can do. Then it comes down to coaching with many forms on how to do said objective. I believe it involves a little bit of everything but there are times to choose when to do one versus the other.
  3. For some people yes, problem is the majority of people out there can't " feel " what they are doing or not doing in a golf swing. I have witnessed this thousands of times. Feel versus real is very common in golf swings for a high majority players including many tour professionals who have stated this themselves.
  4. My Take. Many ways to learn and improve no doubt. As for the 1000 position thing. Any good instructor knows that a student should not focus on more than one position, move, or thought in golf swing development. And they certainly should not be doing it on a golf course. The process of swing developmen in a nut shell, as I only have so much room here.. 1. learn a skill/position/movement 2. practice this one key skill/position/movement alone without thinking about anything else and until you can achieve a good ouput with it 3. slowly incorporate that into a full complete swing 4. After it has been repeated to the point its an automatic function then work on hitting a target trusting the skill/position/movement 5. when that is capable then take it to the course and trust it or 6. go to the next skill/position/movement and repeat the process. But with any theory, style, idea, method ( doesn't matter which one ) you should never be focusing on more than one skill/move/thought/position etc. You can learn one thing and take that or learn 20 things one at a time, but only one should be focused on. Great comments on Ernest Jones and rejection etc. btw. Now how you decide or instructor decides to go about working on a skill is a large debate that will never end.. but its is true that the brain controls body.. we can learn from feel, simple thoughts, complex thoughts visual, verbal.. whatever allows you to accomplish a change which leads to improvement is what matters.. but in order for the brain to have automatic control of body it takes correct repetition to program into an automatic skill when we focus on what is really important which is playing or hitting our next shot. Chris is right on with so much of what he is saying.. how do you walk? You tried, failed, tried more, still failed some, got better, then became eventually an automatic body function when you decided you want to go somewhere the subconscious mind makes your body move you dont have to think about how to walk. It is no different with hitting a ball except the debate still is around what is the best way.. and there really is no one perfect way to learn so trial and error will be a part of the process of learning to hit the ball til you find the way that works best for you. I could go more in depth but that is my best simple take on it. Great thread Chris and all who responded.
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