guitman423

Thanks for that link, I do have a high speed SLR so I will get much better videos posted this week. Also, thank you for taking the time to look at my swing. Very interesting to see the comparison with Adam Scott, and yes indeed it looks like my downswing is very steep especially in comparison with his! I guess when I posted I was mainly thinking about my back-swing though. I think you will notice that in the first video, my takeaway is very shallow. This is when I then cast the club out in my downswing and come in very steep. So, I was curious if my back-swing was the core of my issue. Here are screenshots of two positions, takeaway and top, with each swing. The heel-hit swing at takeaway is perhaps too far inside and possibly even fanned? At the top it is below my shoulder. The center hit swing the takeaway is forced outside, and at top it is in line with my shoulder. Granted, as you have pointed out, the downswing introduces some other issues. Additionally, I think this is the what I was hoping to achieve actually. By steep plane, I was referring to my backswing and not my downswing. I should have probably made that clearer in my original post. My steeper backswing seems to promote a shallower inside-out downswing (good) as you pointed out. My shallow backswing seems to promote steeper and outside-in downswing (bad).

Posted swing videos and update on my thoughts. It may be my swing plane is at fault afterall... Also saevel25, after seeing your videos, sounds like we may be suffering a similar unmentionable issue?

I've been Playing Golf for: 25 Years My current handicap index or average score is: 12.5 My typical ball flight is: Straight, medium/high loft. The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: Long iron sh**ks. I have a thread about this issue where I thought it may have been due to incorrect iron lie. Maybe though it is actually due to shallow swing plane, resulting in me throwing the hozzle at the ball. Does not happen 5 iron and below, or with metals. Videos: Video 1: My standard 3 iron setup and swing. Looks like I come in way too shallow, fanning even. The start of the downswing shows me pushing the club outside, which may be why I am throwing the heel at the ball? I really feel unbalanced and the long clubs feel heavy with this swing. I have tape on my clubs, and it showed marks of a heel hit. Video 2: My standard 3 iron setup and swing, but with an exaggerated steeper plane. This looks somewhat better, right? The start of the downswing shows me coming inside with the club. The tape of the club showed a center hit. Video 3: My standard 3 iron setup but choked down to the grip. Obviously I had to get closer to the ball. I can hit this no problem, the club feels very light and balanced this way, causing me to wonder if the clubs were too long or the lie was wrong (hence the forum post). For some reason I do not think I have a very shallow swing with this grip, and I do not have to force a steeper swing to make good contact. Tape shows center hit. At the range I can nail these. Thanks for advice, I have never posted swing videos before.

Best to get on a lie board I guess, I have never done that before. Good call on the PING tool, I have Nike clubs. Thanks!

My long irons 3 and 4 have a massive sh**k problem I can't seem to shake. I have never been fitted, but this issue followed me with a recent club change. Standard length clubs. All other clubs I am happy with. I noticed with my 3 and 4 that the toe is up at address. My long irons always feel floppy and heavy, I feel like I am reaching, and promote a really flat and fanning swing plane, resulting in me round-housing the ball to the outside and thus the hozzle hit. If I choke up to a flat address I found consistent pure long shots, a steeper plane and balanced swing feel, great distance. But, I have to choke 3-4 inches down the grip almost to the metal for these results. I have found many opinions. Hank Haney says always address flat from driver to putter. Others say always address toe up to accommodate shaft flex upon impact. Should I consider shortening my long irons? Or just adjusting the lie to my swing? What questions should I ask the club fitter? Several instructors have looked and never been able to fix this issue, but no one has ever mentioned club fitting as a possibility. I have a lot to work on, but in general I am happy with my game and my swing except for the long irons. I am 6'-1", and by Internet measurements (Ping) I should be using standard length clubs with .25 extra. I can't imagine going any longer. Thanks! 12.5 Handicap.