badbeatj

Ok I don't want to take away from the point or topic of this thread. Are you saying the ball does or doesn't matter for a mid 80s player? If it doesn't matter, at what point does it start mattering?

Haha I'm waiting for season to start to test it out in real life. I'm only going by consistent launch monitor numbers. On wedge shots 100-120 yards Premium balls spin at over 10k while the E6 spins at 7-8k When I see the reaction of the ball on a green (in simulator) , it's also very different. Who knows, maybe in real life it'll be the same... I'll report back in a few weeks.

I think I'm pretty adament about the ball becuase of my experience in the past year. I have a Uneekor Qed simulator. It ships with dotted Bridgestone E6s. (there's dots on the ball to properly calculate spin). When playing easy courses and soft Greens, it doesn't really matter whether I use Bridgestone or premium. But on courses like Augusta, firm fast Greens, even if you land it close, the roll out will be ridiculous and will most likely be a 2 putt. If you are a mid 80s player and on the wrong side of a slope on the green, then it most likely means a 3 putt. Being frustrated playing Augusta is why I ordered these vinyl dots that I can stick on a pro v1. I then saw first hand how much difference a ball makes. Every round, with a pro v1, I stick at least 2 balls within 6-8 ft of the pin which was impossible with Bridgestone E6 unless I was lucky with how it rolled out. It also helps that I'm able to look at the full ball data including ball speed, launch angle and back spin / side spin. There is definitely a difference.

I think both of you are correct. The golfer obviously controls the ball but you do have to play approach shots differently depending on whether you are using a ball that spins a lot or little. Now that I play premium balls, on 40-60 yard approaches on par 5s, I expect 2-3 hops and check/stop. (if lie was relatively flat). That's hitting it with about 7k back spin. If I play a ball like Bridgestone e6, on a 40-60 yard shot, I'm getting like 4k back spin and ball will release past the hole. Ofcourse, I don't always hit it with 7k back spin (as I'm mid 80s) and sometimes will misthit and hit it with 3500 back spin and then it goes past the hole but the point is valid that if playing a less premium ball, you obviously have to account for less spin / more release and so, you need to land it shorter. Caveat, I say I'm mid 80s but I will soon find out if I've improved when season starts. (still snow on the ground where I am) I played about 15 times last year (shooting mid 80s) but I got a golf Sim and have been practicing like 1-2 hours everyday. I normally break 80 now on courses like TPC Sawgrass, Pebble Beach, Bandon Dunes, Cypress Pointe, Augusta playing from approx 6600-6800 yards Obviously Sim is not real life as lie is always perfectly flat and I never lose a ball and bunker shots are easy but main thing is, I'm swinging like 1-2 hours a day (in fact I played 4 rounds today) and working from home during covid has made me so much more unproductive with respect to work but I feel like my golf game got a lot better.

Lol what if I'm risk averse? What if I would do a $20 bet instead and hit 10 balls and I could guess right 80% of the time?

Not to argue but you were clear in what you said Highly unlikely. Virtually every ball is at the limit of ball speed. That was the comment you wrote when I said I can feel the difference between a Tour B XS VS Kirkland Performance + By commenting on what I wrote and starting your conversation in that manner is argumentative and implies that 15 handicappers can't tell the difference between the 2 balls. You might not have meant this and meant you can't tell difference between balls in the same class but what you wrote does not convey that clearly

Are you saying you can't feel the difference between the 2 balls or can't tell the difference in ball speed? If you're talking about 2 balls in the same class, you're probably right. The topic of this thread however is not that. It's between a premium ball VS a cheaper ball so I was writing about my experience between a Bridgestone Tour B XS VS Kirkland Performance + I only know the difference in ball speed from looking at the launch monitor. (no one would be able to tell a 3 mph difference between 157 and 160 The only thing I can feel is that one feels softer on impact. Is that just in my head?

Sorry ball speed. The Tour B's have faster ball speed yet feels softer. Kirkland feels harder and ball speed is slightly slower. Backspin wise, Kirkland actually spins slightly more on full wedge shots. The only way I would know the difference however is that the Tour B's don't feel as hard on the hands and actually feels good as it comes off the face of the driver.

I see you were saying difference between Pro V1 and Bridgestone Tour B. That would be tougher but I do feel that Tour B seems softer? Am I right? I don't know the composition of the balls. But I have hit a ton of balls in the last couple of months

Lol Bridgestone Tour B Xs VS Kirkland Performance +? LOL guaranteed I can...

I'm trying to get to a point where maximum curve of draw/hook is 30 yards right to left. This allows me to aim at right edge of fairway 285 yds down and hit a normal draw shot and expect to be on the fairway or at worst, left rough. Ideally it's only curving 10-15 yards max but it's hard to be that precise...

I'm mid to high 80s and ball speed is 155-160 mph Some of my friends play Kirkland performance + so I tested it against balls I usually play which are Bridgestone Tour B XS and Pro V1. Kirkland balls BS is slightly slower and feels harder on impact. With wedges, Kirkland actually spins more than the Bridgestones but the feel is not good. Same with putting. I can safely say that if I did a blindfold test, I'd know which ball is which. Now if the question is would I score any differently? Probably not. The 3-4 mph ball speed difference on drivers and the harder ball feel might translate to maybe a stroke? I think it's more to do with your head. For me though, I don't get to go out and play much so I use a premium ball because it feels better when I swing or putt. Now if the question was low spin cheap ball VS high spin premium, it definitely matters. There are times on a par 3 where I stuck a 150 yd shot on a right pin which was surrounded by water. Any other ball and I know it would have bounced 3-5 times into the water. That being said, I read LSW and now aim for middle of the green LOL

I've read that before as well but some guy has also shown a mathematical formula for calculating side spin? Correct or not, I think some of the launch monitors show / report side spin hence we look at those numbers. For example, if my drive is anywhere 100-300 rpm side spin, I'm pretty happy because the ball shape that normally takes place is a small curve.

So a baby draw. What does that look like in terms of side spin?

LOL that's what I do too but every now and then I'll slice the ball which pretty much ruins a hole