Thanks for the opinion guys, My point is todays top players do not want to play tough courses, or courses that have deep rough, the players of today have too much influence on course setup. Note Tiger Woods, he will not play on courses that have deep rough, and Phil Mickelson has been on record saying he prefer courses that have little rough because he would rather make tons of birdies. I am of the opinion that the best players in the world should have tough setups, not a fan of winning scores of 25 under par.....also note that the americans did not do so hot at the Ryder cup where they had to play out of rough.