lonewolf

Lost mine. anyone selling one?

8=snowman 9=mailbox 10=moose -- I like the Bo Derek reference better. Ugly shot that is OK = second girlfriend (ugly but useful)

Check the aerificatin schedule before booking

Called it on myself last weekend. Addressed a putt on 18. Ball moved - a few dimples. It was noticeable as the label was oriented different. Made an 8-footer for 6 instead of 5. Noone else saw it, but me. Sucks, but it's the rule and I never want to have a rules infraction that I committed in the back of my mind.

Yep. I can. Played a course I've never seen today and read the greens well all day. I don't bother to ask what the "local knowledge" is because I don't need it. In my experience, the local knowledge is wrong too often to be useful. --Good for you. Now explain that to B-Con as he can't seem to comprehend. Did you carry a level with you? What others are not quite saying is that it's painfully obvious that you don't understand AimPoint at all. --It's painfully obvious Ithat 'm not going to be ho'ed into buying AIM point products. I'm glad you like it. Good for you. Yep. In other words, local knowledge isn't usually all that bright. I don't use local knowledge on greens I've never seen OR on greens I know really really well. It's wrong almost as often as it's right. I employ a better method. There are others out there, I suppose, but "local knowledge" ranks pretty low on the list as far as I can tell. "Everything breaks towards Rae's Creek." Really? Cuz #10 doesn't even do that, and only a few greens at Augusta National break towards Rae's Creek. Yet you hear it all the time. Lake Merced during the U.S. Open is another example. It's bogus. --for the most part; I agree with you. Doesn't mean I beleive taht AIM point is going to be THE solution. But really, you're just guessing. You don't know what AimPoint is, how it works, etc. And that's fine, but it makes your opinion an uniformed one. --And it makes your opinion a ho'ing one. The suggestion that I have to become completely knowledgeable in AIM point to dispute it is specious.

Apparently you didn't read or don't comprehend. iacas said he can use AIM point to tell breaks in a course he has never played. Post #23. THis was in response to previous posts about local knowledge having to be a factor. Why you don't get that / or don't want to get that is a you problem. I am sure using the feet to read greens is helpful. I'm not buying that AIM point will tell me how to read greens I have never played (again, Mr. non-comprehension:Posts #19 and 23) "stick to the ability to and reliability of reading greens with the feet. That's the only thing that's actually been mentioned" --Um. I'm not sure English is your first language. OR you just conveniently forgetting AIm Point? Here's the crux: The OP put out several thoughts. One would assume to initiate discussion. IT seems, however, if one is not completely sold on one of the products in those thoughts that feathers get ruffled. I replied to one particular part to the OP being this; and people who still believe that greens must all break "towards" or "away" from something that's 20 miles or 2 miles or 40 yards away from where they're putting." As a matter of fact I agreed with the statement, in general. My point was regarding going from familiar greens to never-played greens. From there the conversation delved into Aim Point and feet reading greens. I happen to disagree that either or both of those will not always be (by iteslf) a way to better read greens one has never played. You, iacas and boogie seem to think so. Good for yall. That brings me to the next point: the OP mentioned that there are still many "club hos" out there. I happen to agree. I also think there are some AIMP Point hos on this forum. Whenver I read "It's that simple" then I believe there is some "ho'ing" going on.

B-Con: AGain,,try this post. Read it. It is post #23 Originally Posted by lonewolf Regarding green reading - general rules of thumb - local knowledge. Let's just say that we will disagree due to persoanl experience. "Use your feet" could be considered a general rule of thumb that some golfers may not be as adept as you think. Additionally, Aim point is moot if you don't know which WAY a break occurs. Iacas: "And on a course you've never seen before ? And AimPoint TELLS you which way a putt breaks. You should read up on it." --------------------------------------- Now,,,tell me again how Aim Point was not interjected within the context of local knowledge and/or new courses.

B-Con: Read this slowly: Post by me: "But when playing in terrain one is not accustomed to "downhill" is not as easily defined. Go play a southern coastal bermuda green course (Kiawah) one day and then a mountainous Bent grass greens course the next day. Downhill isn't as easy as one thinks. Local knowledge DOES come into account. " -------THEN == Direct reply by iaca: "Actually, it's incredibly easy. Use your feet. Learn AimPoint." Now,,,that you have read the above; tell me how iacas reply was not interjecting Aim Pont within the context of playing different greens and/or rules of thumb (local knowledge). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- iacas was replying DIRECTLY to my post about playing different greens and local rules of thumb and interjecting AIm Point. For you not to get that...well...it's not worth the effort to explain it. Unless you just didn't read the posts.

Read posts 19, 23, and 25. Heck go read your OWN post. #28 (unless you really were talking about playing barefoot).

"No it wasn't. It was interjected as a way to get better reads. And the rules of thumb were only thrown out when they're taken to non-sensible extremes (or, implicitly, when they contradict information from a reliable source)." --Um. Yest it was. Read post #19 in this thread. It's the first post on page 2. then scroll down to post #23. And then mosey down to post #25. "Again, it wasn't. What thread have you been reading?" --Apparently a differnt one than you. Again, read posts #19, 23 and 25. "iacas's original point was that he can read break very accurately through his feet. He claims that it is simple for him to do so. How is this difficult for you to accept?" --iacas point is very difficult for me to accept. I'm not buying that "feet reading" a green can tell me the difference between a 2" break and a 4" break ESPECIALLY when the the assertion is that local knowledge becomes moot when "feet reading". The question I would have is do you think you can tell a 2" break from a 4" break by "feet reading"? Rules of thumb are just general statistics, aka, "break tends to be toward local bodies of water 75% of the time". I made that up, but that's the idea. If you have another instrument for measuring break that you have higher confidence in than a general loose statistic, then you should use it. Really, it's that simple. "I'm not an expert on Aimpoint, I don't use it nor study it, but come on, at least try to understand what people are saying." --Oh. OK. One only has to be an expert to DISPUTE Aim point....but not an expert to actually defend it. That's good to know. I'll file that away.

Aimpoint is not a magic wand and nobody is saying it is --- Beg to differ. Read boogielicous and icacas posts. ' All I gotta do is read up on Aim point and read greens with mey feet.' And I quote "It's that simple". I'm here to reply to the posts. AIM point was interjected. It was interjected within context of playing different greens and throwing out old rules of thumb (like breaks away from a mountain, etc.) It was also explained as a great way to figure out greens with ones feet without caring about local knowledge (rules of thumb)-- even greens a player has never played on. And IMHO, that is BS. And, it looks like others that know AIM point better than I agree with me. So, no. I'm not going to buy AIM point material. Not going to take an AIM point class. Nor am I going to carry around a level. I don't have to become an expert at something to see that it is being "ho'ed".

What he said. + do AIM Pointers really carry around a digital level while palying rounds?

yes. Here's the thing. I vehemently disagree that Aim Point / reading greens with my feet are some panacea to being able to visit unfamiliar gof courses and know the break. boogilicous and the OP seem to think so. My fliappnacy on the subject was to point out the flippancy of trying to convince me that AIM point and reading greens with ones feet is a panacea. There probably is some value in reading greens with using ones feet along with ones eyes and ones local knowledge. That is a far cry from reading a green with ones feet being THE method and local knowledge not mattering. I'm calling BS on that. Completely agree on your grain of salt approach.

My mind is WIDE open. The OP was opining about "club hos". It seems to me there are also some AIM point "hos". My questions stands: My feet are going to tell me where to aim? Another poster (Well01) seems to think NO, while others think yes. I'll give you some advice: Read Well01's response to my question and you see if you want to do that when visiting a golf course. Regarding my posts: Isn't the intent of a forum to have discussion?; Q and A's? One could even say your opinion of my posts (although shallow and presumptuous) are part of the discussion. Regarding your "magic wand" comment: it seems to me there are some that think Aim Point IS the magic wand. I disagree. what about you?

Really, what? You play barefoot?