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i have actually found that the titleist covers "shear" or "fray" more than the gamers and the nike's. i am pinching the ball very well right now, and i am talking about even my 4 hybrid having white plastic completely filling the grooves. i can't believe it, i played with a friend and he just shook his head, all of the balls i hit (even some free topflite superlong or something like that) are all shredding. i use a brass brush to get the plastic out, and then i have to peel away the shavings on the ball (that look just like peeled orange peel all curled up) with my fingers or scrape them off. i just refuse to believe that there is not a decent ball on the market that will not shred like this after just one decent iron strike. i might try some pinnacles, i used them a lot when i was younger. they were always too hard to get any spin on the green, but i would have to say that the way i'm striking the ball i can even back up my 4 hybrid about a foot on a nice green. so, i might be creating enough speed that i can deal with a 2 piece ball. if ANYONE else has had this problem, please offer up some advice. thanks, and happy golfing...................mc

i did the same thing as many of you. went to golfsmith and hit the demo's. the a**holes wanted to charge me to use the launch monitor, so i walked out. i have one ordered (there IS a tour model that has a slightly open face, but goes for $529-$550), i'm getting it for free so i figured i might as well get it. i also have a Sumo SQ 5000 on order. i just sold my r7, and ordered the nike, when i found out i could get the FT-iQ for free. so, in a few weeks i'll let you know how it actually performs on the course. all of the swings i took at golfsmith felt very pure. worst case scenario, i will have an SQ 5000 to sell. best case, i'll sell the FT-iQ and improve my iron set. can't wait to get my hands on it so i can report!

i have just become a member, therefore i cannot create a new thread. in my experience, i have hit a titleist NXT and a topflite GAMER (actually a really good, inexpensive 3 piece ball). my question is not about the longest ball, but the most resilient covers. i have played titleist PROv1, many other titleist balls, and most recently began playing with the topflite GAMER. i even had some cheaper 2 piece topflites, and some nikes as well. my problem is: the way that i strike the ball (i pinch the ball very aggresively), all of the balls that i play with are shredding upon impact. after i hit an iron shot, i am playing 3 and 4 iron hybrids, the ball is destroyed. it looks like someone took a tiny cheese grater and there are curled up plastic shreds on the ball where the grooves dug into the ball. there is even more plastic to clean out of my grooves than dirt or sod. i know that, by seeing this, the curled up plastic debris must affect the flight of the ball. those strips of plastic are creating more resistance while the ball is in flight. i am noticing about a 10 yard decrese in my iron distance since i bought new irons and started using better balls. i am wondering if anyone else has this problem, and what balls they are using that do not "shred" like i am experiencing? if anyone could provide some assistance i would be thankful. i only had the problem with the newer wedges i bought in the last year, until i got the newer irons (tommy armour, not even top of the line), so i'm just confused. to me, a golf ball should not be compromised at address, and affect the ball flight as a result. thank you............................mc