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I'd completely agree. I've always thought the real reason that children learn better is not because their brains are more efficient, but rather that they aren't as concerned with things like form and appeal and simply focus on the task. I've never seen a kid worry about what they looked like, yet as adults, we analyze and try to find the correct poses. It's amazing how much better one gets when we just trust our brain and body to make the adjustments for us. My wife is a great example. The longer she takes to swing, the worse the shot will be. I've played best, especially putting and chipping, with this idea. Just take your time approaching the ball, but once there, don't think. Simply let your brain do the calculations and adjustments for speed, line, etc. I've been way more accurate letting it happen automatically.

I wish I was capable of trolling like this. But I wouldn't even know where to start.

Also you could be hip thrusting toward the ball. When I had the shanks, I was early extending and trying to hit a draw. Also, if you spin out and come over the top you could also get the hozel out to the ball. Or, you could be too far from the ball (also related to early extension) and be diving down at the ball too much. Everyone has their own cause of the shanks. Figuring out what your key issues are is part of the fun!

Would it make sense to think that the forward lean from setup is different because the swing is a circular motion with the hands as well? Since the hands are forward of the clubhead, they are traveling more around, left, and therefore closing the face but also putting the toe of the club towards the player. At address, simply leaning the shaft forward does open the face, but that's not the position the handle would actually be in during a swing, no?

I bought one today. I was planning on doing a video review. What would you guys like to see? It works fine. Yes, it does get loose. But, it seems to hold graphite shafts better than steel. Also, when you hit the sweet spot, the unit barely moves. When I tried to do some crazy swings, and ended up hitting some shanks, it would move. I don't see how this would be worthless at all. It provides data which can be used to measure yourself. If you compare the address data versus the impact data, there's enough there to determine what your trends are. I also don't see why needing a target line would be important. All that does is establish a point of reference for data to be calculated on...but the swingbyte does this by taking into account your club measurements and address position. It's assuming you address yourself square and get the unit on square. That is somewhat difficult to do, but the data it provides does seem to match up, unless the unit shifts like crazy.

Makes sense to me. Isn't that why we get better once the feel of "proper" makes sense to us? Everyone learns differently, but I feel like I learn the fastest and most efficiently when I can engrain a feel quickly. I think that's why drills are better than positions. Once you do the mirror work to understand what the ideal position feels like, it seems more effective to find the feel, not just pose. What I mean is...it seems that the best students are able to convert a thought to a feel really quickly. Hank Haney stated in his book that Tiger Woods could implement a feel very quickly by fine tuning the feeling of the extremes. I hear he was a pretty good golfer.

Just thought I would update this. I've been tracking my progress on another forum with a similar post. The biggest issue I have right now is that I am using a cell phone camera, which makes it hard to see my impact position. Instead I got a swingbyte, which has confirmed what I thought. Though I do get a little flippy, and I fought a time as evidenced by the video I posted, I was achieving forward shaft lean at impact. I actually went the opposite direction in effort to fix what I thought was a wrong feel. After about a month seeking success somewhere it wasn't, I just got back to the basics. I started to keep my hips and shoulders closed and hit into a posted left leg. I naturally get a lot of lateral slide on my downswing which makes my impact position near the leading edge of my rear thigh. I was alarmed at this, because without true slow motion, I couldn't tell what true impact was like. Thanks to the swingbyte and some tweaking, I've managed to determine that I am hitting down properly. Here's an updated video. I've successfully shortened my backswing by keeping my trailing leg bent during the backswing. I was letting my lead arm break down a bit and standing up on my backswing which caused me to tip a little. I'm still casting a bit of clubhead speed about a foot before the ball, but I think it may be that I am a bit too steep still on my downswing. I've gained a lot of distance and now am hitting a small draw, albeit still very high, but 8i is going around 145-150. Thankfully the wind has died down a bit and allowed me to see what my ball flight is like without any influence. I suspect I just need to learn how to calculate more accurately depending on the wind conditions in the future. Also I play in the PacNW, somewhat close to sea level, so I assume that will impact my ball flight numbers as well.

Worked a bit on this. Here is a new side view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Px_xkXQ1Q&feature;=youtu.be Sorry the audio got out of sync. I'm going to record a better video. I still hear the whoosh a bit before contact...but not quite as bad. I don't know if that's good. I hold lag until halfway down my swing usually, but I just seem to lose it in the bottom 25% of the swing. I'm still carrying around 250 with driving range balls, but my swing speed should produce much better results. I'm beginning to get frustrated. I know how to hold the angle and I do it, but it seems like I stall when I get to impact. I wondered if I was letting my elbows get stuck behind my body a bit, so I've tried to keep my right elbow tucked during the backswing. Seems to have helped accuracy, but I don't know if it's really helped impact. I'm just not sure if a manipulation of the wrists is what I need. I'm tempted to say its a setup issue, or maybe a swing thought issue.

Can you post a video? It could be anything. Maybe you are casting? I was losing power recently and realized I am scooping the ball at impact. I've worked hard to get rid of it and my distance is coming back slowly. Do you swing very upright? I am 6'2" but am trying to get a bit flatter because it seems to help me get into a better impact position. If you're too upright you get too steep coming down and you release your lag too early.

Is that an increase? I'd be careful comparing your driver to your irons in terms of distance because it could be something as simple as lofts.

So I hit a few balls on a LM today. I have to question the accuracy of the system. It was a CG2 at a Golfsmith, and it was showing I had 75mph 6i clubhead speed. I topped out at 80mph. Yet I was hitting the ball around 160 carry with KBS C taper X stiff. I was blown away. Hit today on a different LM and was getting 6i speeds above 90mph. I guess I've learned now that you can't really trust numbers all that much. I wish there was a place to hit new clubs at a range.

I think the most simple analogy would be to compare it to this: Would you rather be hit with a brick traveling 100mph, or a feather? Same speed, but the mass is the factor that increases the impact. When you flip, you disconnect the chain to your body and instead of hitting it with a large mass moving together, you hit it with your forearms. That's why I could get the same contact and just not actually compress the ball and get proper ball speed.

Another video about angle of attack:

Here is a good video that addresses some of the angles of attack, etc:

It robs me of ball speed, but maybe not necessarily much clubhead speed. I will see about that... When you flip, you aren't actually accelerating into the ball with any mass (your body), you're basically reducing the mass of the object hitting the ball, and using just additional momentum from your wrists. If you notice, lots of times on the videos I have, the shaft is unloaded really really early into the ball because my arms have stopped moving forward and my wrists try to straighten the club. It requires a lot of timing and provides less than optimal contact and ball compression. Not flipping makes sure that I hit the ball with all of the energy I generate in my swing, compressing the ball properly and getting optimal distance.