Joe92385

Not sure whether you're including me in "those golfers," but to be clear, I certainly would feel personal responsibility for causing damage, even if I'm not legally liable for it - I'm just talking about what I find to be interesting case law. I've hit a few houses, but luckily never caused damage to them. The funniest reaction I've gotten was, "don't worry about it, happens all the time. I'm keeping your ball though." (As he put it into a 5 gallon bucket mostly filled with other balls). The one time I did cause damage was to a car - it was probably my third time golfing. There was a road to the right of the tee box, and a net between the course and the road. But there was also a small opening in the next for golfers to come through. I somehow managed to shank it right into that opening, off the support, and the ball literally stuck in the plastic bumper of a moving SUV. The driver stopped very briefly, saw me waving him down, and then just kept right on driving... it was a pretty strange shot, and an even stranger reaction.

I think you're probably correct (though I have no idea what the law is in Colorado). The argument against it applying is that a homeowner is not "participating" in the inherently dangerous activity, though this specific issue appears undecided in California. There's a good discussion of it in Hernandez v. Ong (2002) 2002 WL 266864 - it's not a published case, but basically: "Although not a spectator of the golf being played, one who moves into a house that is adjacent to an existing golf course chooses, as does a spectator, to participate in the benefits of the golf courses' pastoral setting and accepts the inherent dangers of such participation. Persons who move into houses adjacent to existing golf courses are 'sufficiently warned of the risk by common knowledge of the nature of the sport.'"

I think this topic has been pretty well covered, but I just wanted to post one of my favorite quotes (though the case related to hitting another golfer, not a house): "While golf may not be as physically demanding as other more strenuous sports such as basketball or football, risk is nonetheless inherent in the sport. [FN1] Hitting a golf ball at a high rate of speed involves the very real possibility that the ball will take flight in an unintended direction. If every ball behaved as the golfer wished, there would be little 'sport' in the sport of golf. That shots go awry is a risk that all golfers, even the professionals, assume when they play. FN1 - Appellant claims that, 'Golf is primarily an activity of the elderly and less athletic.' If ever this contention had merit, recent events at the Masters and the dominant play of Tiger Woods belie it today." Dilger v. Moyles (1997) 54 Cal.App.4th 1452, 1454-1455.

Squeezed in 9 after work today. Didn't really try to change the swing, but kept a mental image of finishing with my belt buckle facing the target and ended with with a 45 on the front 9, which is on pace to shoot around where I used to.

To be honest, I had no idea this was a breach of etiquette (though neither do the guys I typically play with, I guess). Good thing I'm learning it now, before I play with someone who would get annoyed, haha. What's the rationale behind this? I truly have no idea why that would be bad form.

Maybe it's just where I play, but I've found that more and more people are playing with music playing in their carts - which is fine, but only a small minority turn it off (or at least down) when they're near another group. Doesn't really bother me personally, but the lack of common sense and etiquette still surprises me.

The round was good for me lately (102), but after the first hole and a number of awful shots, I ended up just using my old swing. Had a few very good shots, but missed a lot of short putts. Definitely gotta get that lesson scheduled... and I forgot to film my swing, which I will hopefully do later this week.

Funny, I just upgraded from R7s to RSI 1s. Playing my first round with them tomorrow, will report back. I didn't feel the need to upgrade, but was browsing and found a set for $430ish new (used in good condition were only slightly cheaper).

As luck would have it, I'm going to be playing 18 tomorrow instead of just the range, despite the 102 degree heat. Luckily the guys I'm playing with are about my level, so I'll call it a practice round and still film my swing.

Good point, thanks. Absent contradictory advice from the instructor, I'm planning to pick out one (of probably many) issues and just focus on that for a while... Just like at work, seems more efficient to get one thing crossed off the list at a time.

That's exactly what I was hoping to hear! Just wanted to make sure I wouldn't be causing more harm than good. I'll try to get a video tomorrow, hoping to hit the range early (since the high today is 108, ugh).

Been a long time since I've posted here - I went through a pretty long golf hiatus due to work and family. Starting to get back into it since my new job is far more flexible, and now my swing is far more over the top than it once was. I'm definitely going to take lessons, but dont have them scheduled yet (will be a fathers day gift). My question is, should I try to improve my swing / post a swing video on here BEFORE taking lessons, or might that make the instructors job more difficult? Should I try to make a swing change on my own, or just use the pre-lesson time to work on other parts of my game? Im not worried about my effort being wasted (though that may be the case). I'm thinking that, at worst, I'll get used to making a swing that feels uncomfortable and maybe make it easier to accept changes. Thanks in advance.

If I remember correctly, Tesla has been working on a sedan called the Whitestar for a while now. I think it was rumored to be debuted in 2009, but who knows how true that is.

Just curious what your reaction is. I've seen people do everything from turning toward the yell to try and see the ball to completely hitting the deck and covering their heads. If I'm near a tree or my cart, I'll kind of duck behind it, and if I'm out in the open I'll kind of crouch, turn my side to the ball, and try to protect my head from the direction the ball should be coming from... my usual golfing buddy tries to see the ball, which I think is just asking to take one in the nose. I've never golfed with anyone who drops everything and dives on the ground, but I've seen it... kind of funny to watch, but probably the smartest thing to do.

Stranger things have happened... 1000 monkeys with typewriters and all that. Besides, long drives aren't necessarily in the fairway and/or good.

Exactly my thought, haha. I look better by comparison. I would have picked the child since I love kids, but I'm not really ready for that yet. Really though, if you ask me, the only relevance the past has on a relationship is insofar as it affects who the person is today. I read this and immediately looked at your location - had to be either NY or LA, haha.

Time Warner SoCal has it under sports, but they only have "Meet ____" from Big Break, and maybe a couple other shows.

I've hit a few lucky bombs (usually with help from wind/hills), but I have a distinct favorite. We were playing in Vegas while on a bachelor's party. One of the guys in our group was probably the biggest jerk I've ever met in my life - he was hitting on my gf throughout the round and generally being loud and obnoxious... if it wasn't for the combination of not wanting to ruin the party and the fact that my gf was making a fool out of him on her own, there would have been violence after the first couple holes. Anyway, on this 340 yard dogleg left (downhill, with the wind), he kept saying he was going to hit the green, and asking my gf if he could do inappropriate things to celebrate (to which she responded with a litany of things she would rather do before letting him touch her, haha). He hits his shot, and he did crush it, but he ended up about 20 yards short in some light rough. I went after him, and it rolled right up onto the front of the green (totally on accident, but shhhh... haha). I winked at him as I was walking to the cart... the look on his face was great. The bachelor's brother actually ended up beating the crap out of this guy later that night, for getting physically inappropriate with his wife... good times.

Apparently they're replaying this season starting at 1pm eastern on Friday, for anyone who needs to catch up (like me).

I don't know if it has to do with the partiality of the grip; probably more to do with the interlockedness, haha. I do get that pain, after just about every round... I'm pretty sure it's indicative of a problem with my backswing, or just overgripping. Tried it out yesterday, and it did help quite a bit. It could have just been placebo effect, but I felt like it encouraged a lighter grip pressure and calmed my overactive wrists down, and I was hitting down on the ball much better. Of course, maybe I was just so focused on how weird it felt that I stopped over-thinking my mechanics, haha. To tie this in with the above, its also the first time I've hit a couple buckets without pain in my right pinky.

Co-signed, haha.

Interesting... I have a tendency to hook, and I've never tried the overlapping grip... guess I'll have to go to the range after work, haha.

Must be REAAAALLY quick I've never even seen these before... I'd try 'em out, but I think I'd rather just walk.

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice, just my musings on the topic. This would be a state issue, so you'd have to look up specifics, but generally assumption of the risk wouldn't include recklessness. If you hit a slice into another fairway, yell fore, and hit a guy... I'd guess a judge would say that the guy who got hit assumed that risk by playing, since the guy who hit it did nothing out of the ordinary. But if you hit a guy on your fairway, without any warning, and it wasn't some freak bounce or something... that's probably a different story. And you'd be surprised what can be considered a deadly weapon... I have firsthand experience with a situation where a guitar was the deadly weapon... don't ask. This isn't necessarily true... the course will tell you it is, for obvious reasons, but you don't waive the course's obligation to provide a reasonably safe environment just by paying the green fees. Of course it depends on the state and the circumstances, but for example, if a net protecting a tee box from slices from an adjacent hole was damaged, and a ball got through and knocked some dude out... the course's lawyers would probably be sweating. Once again, all of this is a layman's opinion and should not be relied upon in any way.

Looks like these are designed more for people with disabilities... you could always just ride solo in a two person cart: