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see thats my point. i think you have to see it in person, or he may have been playing draws in one or both of those photos. In the first video, his feet are aimed just closed the camera line and the ball starts off on about the same line. So if it fades its going right of directly down the camera line. He's either playing wind playing a draw or the target is to the right of where the camera is pointing. Same type of thing in the second one. I can't really tell for sure from camera shots. I wish I could go back in time and watch him on the range for just a few minutes, or better yet on the course. Thx for the reply tho. or very possibly what i've heard and read is wrong, and he played a normal cut fade and not a push fade. which seems more likely in those vidoes. I just heard it from so many diff sources i came to believe it was fact. who the hell knows. whatever it is i wish i could do it that well.

This is for anyone out there who knows a whole lot about Ben Hogan, preferably someone who has seen him swing. I know Hogan played a fade when he was the ballstrking genius, and I know or at least hear that it was a push fade. I'm just wandering if anyone knows (for certain) what his setup looked like to hit it. In five lessons there's that famous diagram of the feet position with the slightly closed stance for driver and opening as the clubs get more lofted. But I'm wandering if anyone on here can tell me how you hit an accurate push fade like that (you can't). My assumption is that the target line in his diagram is not the ball to target line, rather Ben's personal target line which I'm assuming is somewhere left of the target. I'm figuring he didn't include that tidbit because the book is for amateurs who would benefit more from it being a ball to target line. So basically, does anyone know how open his stance was. Was is slight or drastic like trevino's. If you know please reply, if you're guessing or speculating just make sure to include that. Thanks guys. By the way I'm kind of new to the forum, obviously. I'm Drew. cool to be on here. looking forward to getting to know you guys

my breakthrough moment was the first time i saw ben hogan swing on video. and i have breakthrough moments every day when i decide not to read a golf tip or listen to someone who thinks they're good give advice. i honestly think golf tips and instruction are the number one reason people arent getting better at golf. if you put a man on a deserted island with nothing but a set of golf clubs, balls, and a course, i guaruntee you he could make scratch within a few years. put the same guy in the real world with numerous instructors, magazines, books and yada yada, and it will take his whole life. i hope what i wrote is not misinterpreted, because i give tips, and read a book, and whatnot. but most people read and listen to way too many. stick with one book or author, one instructor (a good one), and watch pros at work and thats it. p.s. im really sorry to get off on this on a thread that has nothing to do with it, i'm just trying to get my five in so i can post new threads and this has been on my mind for a while :)

wofat i used to have the same problem. man i could smoke the hell out of the ball but it could go anywhere. now i still smoke the ball, and it still rarely goes exactly where i want it to, but there is a range of how far and in what direction i miss. my miss (you have one) was a block push to the right or a hook. i don't hook anymore but i still push, and i dont mind a bit when i do. i changed to playing a fade a while back and it did two things. the hook is gone because i'm always coming into the ball with an open face, and the push is always playable becasue i am aimed left of my target ( i actually push or swing in to out a little on purpose im a push fader). so if hooking or pushing is your problem you might give it a try, and if its pulling or slicing youre obviously coming over the top and may want to try the opposite(close your stance and make a draw your go to) most people that hit a lot of erratic shots are trying to hit straight balls all the time and aim right at the target. thats fine if your a ten times better ball striker than any player on tour. find a shot, fade or draw, that makes the most sense with your current swing and misses, and play it. for a while play nothing but that shot to get it ingrained and get consistent with it, and as you get better change it up from time to time just to make sure you have the opposite shot if you need it. hope this helps, it might not but its what worked for me and a few of the people ive taught. Drew

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what would they call a hole in one on a 5 just a triple eagle? or a double albatross

These are some crazy posts. I'm not sure why everyone thinks tour pros are SO much better than scratch golfers or even low handicappers. Yea, Tiger is way better as most of the marquee names, but there are scratch golfers that can beat a low ranked tour pro on a given day. I've seen it happen. I've also seen a 6 handicapper play within 2 strokes of me and 6 strokes of a tour player (Nationwide at the time, now PGA) on a 7400 yard course. A low handicapper can EASILY break 100 and has a decent chance at breaking 90 even on an open course. Torrey will be a very hard course, but not twice as hard or even 1 and a half times as hard as it is normally set up. Tour players are not gods or superhumans. They're simply more consistent golfers than most of us, and MOST of them play smarter golf. I guaruntee you all four of the ams playing can hit the same shots as the pros, just not as often. I don't know about the other two, but if Romo has a good round he will break 95, and the ten will probably shoot in the low 100s or high 90s if he plays on his top game. Besides, Roy McCavoy was an amateur and he would've won the open a few years back had it not been for his stubbornness on the 72nd. What does that tell you. He was just a friggin range pro. Crazier things have happened.