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  1. Well, I can't continue to argue with you guys because you have a delusional fallback to refute everything I say. I will just leave you with this. I think we can all agree that the hips do turn less than the shoulders during the golf swing. And that the golf swing is about consistency so we want to turn the hips and shoulders back the same respective amount on every swing (of equal shot distance). If that is the case then what would be the more repeatable way to accomplish a shoulder and hip turn: 1) Turn your hips and shoulders back at the same time and then stop turning your hips at the same spot every time but continue turning your shoulders until you have a full shoulder turn 2) Turn your shoulders back and let them start turning the hips (which they will start doing at the same point every time). Keep turning your shoulders back to a full turn. The hips will continue to rotate with the shoulders but because they started rotating later than the shoulders they will have rotated less than the shoulders. BUT, because you just let it happen they will always rotate the same amount every time. Automatic synchronization. And Iacas, regarding your students not 'getting it'. It almost always has to do with setup. If the hips aren't rotating and allowing the right leg to straighten they are usually either lacking secondary spine tilt, sufficient knee flex or are too tense in the hip region.
  2. Also from that article: Quote: On the backswing the shoulders are always ahead of the hips as they turn. The shoulders start turning immediately. The hips do not. JUST BEFORE YOUR HANDS REACH HIP LEVEL, THE SHOULDERS, AS THEY TURN, AUTOMATICALLY START PULLING THE HIPS AROUND. AS THE HIPS BEGIN TO TURN, THEY PULL THE LEFT LEG IN TO THE RIGHT. Now let us examine these actions in closer detail.
  3. You biomechanical guys really cheese me off sometimes with that 'feel isn't real' line. We're all god damn humans aren't we? I understand that feel isn't always real but a good 'feel' description can go a long way in instruction. http://si.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1132508/3/index.htm (start reading 4 lines down at THE HIPS) If you want to disagree with me about the shoulders pulling the hips then I'm sure no one will put up a big fuss,... but if you're going to use the 'feel isn't real' fallback yet again with Mr Hogan's caps lock description then I'm done with this conversation. Whenever you hear someone say something (a hall of famer I might add) that doesn't fall in line with your understanding of the swing you can't just cry out 'feel isn't real' You can't necessary get a full understanding of the way a car engine works by studying how each individual part moves.
  4. Wow, do you have fun teaching that to your students? Just to be clear, regardless of whether it comes from the ground up or top down, you are disagreeing that knee flexion is not a reaction? So you stand there and tell your students to extend their right knee consciously during the swing?
  5. I never disagreed that the right leg shouldn't straighten. It absolutely should, I just think that it is a reaction to a proper hip turn and relaxed right leg rather than a deliberate move. This hips control the shoulders? When? During the downswing sure, but during the back swing too? I will respectfully disagree and say that that is not the easiest way to do things. That's the beauty of golf though, many ways to get the job done.
  6. Huh? It certainly does go up.. didn't you watch the video in the OP? The right hip turns higher due to the inclination of the hips to match the inclination of the shoulders at address. Sure, if your setup is incorrect the hip won't go up naturally. If you're teaching students to turn their hips you are doing it wrong. You should teach them to allow the hips to be turned by the shoulders. Why would you want to consciously try and turn the hips when the shoulders could do it for you perfectly every time?
  7. I think that it is very important for us to all remember that just like most of the other correct positions in the golf swing, the straightening of the right leg is simply a reaction to other things going on in the swing. I'm not implying that the OP or the majority of the members in this thread don't get this, but I hate seeing amateurs read something like this and then go out to the range and consciously start extending the right leg during the back swing. NO NO NO. The right leg extends because the incline of the hips pull on the knee angle...just like the hips turn because the shoulders pull on them. Its all a reaction.
  8. Very very well said. This is why I have always encouraged my student to learn mechanics by hitting shots which produce those mechanics. For example if my student is rolling their wrists open during the back swing causing a very open face at impact I will try to get them to hit some closed face cuts. I tell them how it should work mechanically but then give them a shot to hit which will ingrain the feeling of doing it successfully.
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