Innercity Mini

Well, something was blown! (pain meds) Woz might be too, lucky guy! (pain meds) Despite the pain meds, I cannot see the joy of a big caboose! And i have learned the multi-quote! WOOHOO!

No worries and it seems to work very well with my abused body! The video is tedious though so feel free to make popcorn! You can see my sporty cane in the hitting area. I am trying to just keep my head in tilt and lift my left arm up a barely pre-turned chest. I either stepped on my left heel to come down or did an underhand clap.I had to stop taking the oxy last night so I could drive and sometimes I lost my balance but still I felt I did well considering its only 2 weeks since the new knee. You can see my right leg is about twice the size as the non-operated leg.

Too long-have to re-edit it an d re-submit meanwhile, enjoy this musical interlude. lol!

Funny! I hadn't heard that one since kindergarten! Just got back from the range as the video will show. 45 Balls hit using Kinwar's MGS System keeping trail side in tilt and lifting arm up the chest after getting a new knee replacement 14 days ago. All distances on the fly with balance being generally off with several pushes and pulls. All distances in the air to be fair-7 iron was 140-150, PW was 110-115, 3 hybrid was 175, Driver was 230-245, and 5 iron was 165-175 .

OOPS! I apologize to Erik- I did not realize he is involved in another swing system-I found this thread via a google search and did not mean to cast aspersions on his fine original research-My only goal was to defend a system i am benefitting from! I have wanted to purchase Erik's "PureStrike system" since seeing it advertised! I will post my MGS videos soon but now understand that I walked into the wrong bar during the wrong bar-fight which explains all the angst!

My big breakthrough was tilting my right ear to my right shoulder and lifting the left arm up the chest before clapping or stepping on the left heel. Staying in the back-tilt or right-sided tilt shallows the club and gives full arm extension on every shot. It took a couple of rounds to relax the head tilt and leave it there throughout the swing. The power granted by that head-tilt is amplified because the body turn is restricted and more power is sent into the ball, not deflected via the arc away from impact. As I'll show in a little while, I just tilt my right ear after set-up/stance, connect the right hand, oft and fire! I am more deliberate on doglegs since the pre-turn really can produce a hook or slice (shoulders open)! Chips and Sand shots are the same as is the putting-it looks odd and my scores are dropping! If you think about it, very few swings are "beautiful," esp. as we age! Maybe Phil just saw a few of the vids before attempting his five iron-in any case we all make mistakes-MGS is not a mistake-simply odd looking! Kind Regards, Patrick

So a reply must be started so you can go back and "grab" other quotes! Oh, I think I think I have it.

I am trying to learn the multi-post.

I am not pissed just defending a system I have used effectively. My earliest responses show a "live and let live attitude" toward everyone."And "peace" is what I am hoping we all have regardless of the swing we use or our HCP. i actually want to buy "The Lowest Score Wins Book" as I'm sure it has valuable insights. "The exact same swing?" Kiran has certain basics in her system but shows all sorts of adaptations from all sorts of golfers. Her basics which I will put on a video shortly are "pre-sets," "right side lower than the left throughout swing and impact," "left arm raised to up the chest to stretching," and "horizontal thumbs" which I tend to forget often since I have been putting my thumbs up for 20 years. In 1994, I caddied for a Bell South VP (yes that long ago), who qualified for the US Amateur and taught me this game which I love. I played with him one day and shot 135 on 18 with Jerry giving me 40 foot putts out of time constraints. A year later, I was in the "E" flight for our annual Kiwanis-Civitan golf-grudge match and teed off against a competitor prior to sunrise, lol. That was before my left hip was replaced. I limped to the first tee and hit my shot so poorly i was soaked with dew and mud. My competitor exclaimed "Great!" I'm playing with a cripple for 18 holes!" Man, I was pissed! Out of sheer frustration, I forgot any thought of how and pretended I was Jerry on every shot! When the dust had settled, I shot a 79 and won a set of clubs, money, and lots of Top Flites! That was my lowest score ever. Jerry won the Championship flight with a 78! And, I shamelessly teased that Southern metrosexual about how happy I had made "cripples" that day. There is a lot of bullshit in golf-Kiran's system is not bullshit as you will see. My hope is that after I submit my vids we can all take a breath and admit strange stuff is strange and sometimes really works. "Bullshit" does not hurt my feelings as a term since I can use her insights effectively. I drove around the cup-de sac last night for the first time and was able to bend my knee to work the gas pedal. I actually will follows Phil's advice and "keep pushing" since trying is all I know esp. since appearances are so deceiving. It is silly to let anyone or anything related to golf disrupt our own personal happiness. India was part of the British Empire for a long time and golf is firmly established as a tradition. Imagine how competitive Kiran had to be to win the 1983 Amateur Women's Indian open and how dedicated she is to the game to have such an impressive CV. We are lucky to have her in the golfing community! Kind Regards, Patrick

Very funny-"oh the humanity!" Cute! I don't need to convince many folks, really, it just stems me to see something slammed without any proof! I am going to the range tomorrow and will try to hit a few balls with my new knee. Later a film or two to show that good distance is possible and people should be open-minded. Here is Kiran's partial CV: Highlights of Achievements Twenty three years experience as a golf instructor - all skill levels Tour Pros to beginners since 1989 Inventor Minimalist Golf Swing System - world’s only reverse-engineered-for-ideal-impact swing Winner of Ladies All India Open Amateur Golf Championship 1983 Website http://www.yourgolfguru.com has over 250,000 international hits annually since 1999 Author of instruction e-book titled ‘DIY (do-it-yourself) GOLF' - sold on website 2006 Golf Writer (13-year column for Mid-Day; also articles for every major Indian Publication) since 1985 Columnist, Golf Digest India since 2003 Golf Swing Biomechanics Presentations at Conferences and Workshops Oral Paper at World Scientific Congress of Golf (WSCG) 2012 Symposium (jointly with biomechanists) ‘Science-based Methods Improve Ball Flight (WSCG) 2012 Workshop ‘Correct Positioning of Body-Joints to Improve Golf Ball Flight’ (WSCG) 2012 Seminar for PGA of America’s Gateway Section ‘Bringing Science to the Golf Swing‘ 2011 Seminar for Students of MS in Sports Science of Logan Univ.‘Bringing Science to the Golf Swing‘ 2011 PGA of Asia Second Golf Conference, speaker, “Human Anatomy in the Golf Swing‘ 2011 PGA of Asia First Golf Conference, speaker, ‘Bringing Science to the Golf Swing‘ 2010 Workshop for Indian Tour Pros ‘Biomechanics; Physiology; Fitness Principles for Better Ball-Striking‘ 2009 Exhibited a more effective and scientific golf swing (Booth 1880) at PGA Merchandise Show 2008 Conducted LPGA Workshop – ‘How to Analyze and Improve Ball Flight‘ 2008 Third World Scientific Congress of Golf, St. Andrews, Scotland - 3 research-based posters 1998 Second World Scientific Congress of Golf - Oral Paper ‘One Move to Better Ball Flight' 1994 Golf Swing Research Mini-study at PGA of America’s Golf Learning and Performance Center 2010 Hooters’ Tour demo - A Science-based swing-template improves ball-flight tracked on Doppler radar 2010 Golf industry funded research in collaboration with Washington University in St Louis 2007 Golf industry funded swing research in collaboration with St Louis Univ., USA 2006 Golf Digest Magazine aided research on quick improvement of women’s swings 2004 European Congress of Sports Sciences – poster accepted 2003 The PGA, The Belfry, U.K. - Conducted 2-week research on a scientifically correct golf swing 1997 Teaching Experience Teaching Professional at Oak Brook Golf Club, Edwardsville, Il since 2011 Teaching Professional, Sunset Hills Golf Club St Louis, MO, USA since 2007 Head Professional at Triple A Golf and Tennis Club, St Louis, MO, USA 2006 - 09 Teaching Professional at four clubs in Mumbai, India since 1989 Coach to the United Services' Club Inter-Club Championship Team 2006 Golf Instructor at Peggy Kirk Bell's Golfari Schools at Pine Needles, NC, USA 1995 Designed layout for, and taught golf at, India's first indoor golf facility at Landmarc Citi, Mumbai. 2002 Teach golf to local and regional level winners of World Long Drive Championship since 2007 Conducted PGA of India’s National Junior Coaching Camp, Pune 2008 Golf Professional for First Tee of St Louis and The PGA of America Gateway Section Jr Camps 2006 - 09 Professional Affiliations Class A member, The LPGA, Teaching & Club Professional Div. since 2007 Advanced Golf Professional, The PGA, U.K. since 1995 Class A Member and Member Board of Management, The PGA of India 1990- and 2008- resp. Class A Member and Teaching Staff, The National Golf Academy of India 2006- and 2008- resp American College of Sports Medicine, certified Personal Trainer since 2009 Member, Golf Writers’ Association of America since 2005 Education MS in Sports Science and Rehabilitation, Logan University, St Louis, MO (candidate) 2011-14 Bachelor of Science (Physics, Math): St. Xavier's College, Bombay University 1976 Indian School Certificate : Queen Mary School, Mumbai

The meds I'm taking 10 days after the surgery are still not letting me figure out the milt-quote though I've tried. So, this response will feed the almost angst that is so present in thread. Sorry in advance. If I can hit my driving range net using Kinwar's Minimalist Golf Swing, (250 yards with a range ball) after a total knee replacementI'd like something in return like an admission you are a really irrational regarding this whole thing and are lacking perspective. Maybe you never dreamed someone would really challenge your understanding of this? I still don't get the negative passion you are expressing Phil. Kiran is not great at using videos and her videos are piecemeal. Her technique is evolving as she says in multiple videosl She is reverse engineering a swing given club design and best human joint movements-her stuff is clunky and a work in progress-and it works well and lots of people have tried it and benefitted from it including me. The "no-backswing swing: is very similar to Kiran's stretching up of her left arm which is why she calls it a "do -nothing" down swing-stretch and release it. Her right side is lower than the left coming into impact, Weight is evenly distributed at address but changes with her pre-sets and tilts. Both her and Suttie have conversed about her swing and he recommended it partially. His assistant tried one of her pre-sets and benefitted from it. Yes, many people don't try all of her moves all at once-any golf swing is learned in pieces and her big "magic move" as she says are pre-sets and keeping the right side lower than the left. I teach really angry inner-city kids everyday, either in class or at The First Tee. When my students don't understand something that's new, we all have a laugh and see what we can learn from our attempts-At the First Tee we goof on techniques all the time in between instruction and skill contests!I don't get your level of angst and outrage over this whole thing, Phil. If I practice an underhand clap motion after lifting up my left arm, or simply set my weight on my left heel and after her pre-sets, my five iron is going 180 even after surgery-I'll film that too along with the driver. I just don't get the angst over all of this.

I have the little wrist 'thingy" that one of Mike Austin's biographers, Philip Reed, markets. Interesting. It makes a golfer perform an underhanded clap or skipping stone motion and encourages the golfer to fully load the trailing side of your golf swing with a head tilt and lower body step as a downswing trigger. None of Mike Austin's group however, tries to pretend his method is easily used by common golfers which seems to be Kiran's design and purpose. Keeping the right side in tilt is her "magic move" and certainly has helped my swing even with a deteriorating physical condition! Tomorrow I'll hit balls somewhere and I am eager to see how many benefits come from this simple MGSS.

Yep, with a pistol,it is definitely close quarters! The .410 tumbles and the colt .45 is maybe 10 yards before the drop. The good news on the course is lots of safe backgrounds and soft dirt!

Amen-it must be w Being close to a city, we have a lot of peace-officers on the course who always carry. There are not a lot of arguments on the course for that reason and we keep the matches capped at $20 so we can all afford to keep our cool and keep things peaceful. One of the officers showed us his Ruger 10/22 takedown which he keeps in his bag! it screws into 2 pieces with scope and 30 round clip-very cool!

I never hunted down the fox but did call 911 and the clubhouse! Today, I would kill it and call the clubhouse-no worries. BTW-criminals don't deserve to have guns but have lots of them and THE CRIMINALS ARE VERY SNEAKY AND DO NOT REGISTER THEIR WEAPONS AS I HAVE DONE! Besides all that, one rabid animal usually means more than one. In my state, discharging a registered weapon in self-defense is legal!

I spent three years with Gary Edwin's Right-sided Swing and it did nothing as my physical condition worsened. This swing really helps me "turn back the clock," with greater power and precision. If you ever want to try it, I'd say it is worth an afternoon on the range.

Most of this is so new that none of us have practiced it enough to trust a previous swing. My short-cut and basic swing is to set-up and drop my right ear to my right shoulder. That produces a very strong straight ball or power fade. On some holes I turn more for the draw or line the shoulders open to hit a fade/controlled slice. The right ear tilt really allows me to extend my arms through impact and gives me great power and extension! Cheers!

Was there a part of the swing you found worked better than anticipated? Worse? How far is your normal drive? What was the hardest part of the swing to perform? Look, if I had started a thread, those would be just some of the issues I would explore to encourage people to give it a chance and treat the originator of the swing with respect. In my own use of the swing, I simply stand tall with the ball in the middle of my feet together, left hand on the club. I look to my side, lightly connect the club with my right hand as I tilt my ear to back shoulder.I lift my arm up my chest ( trying to keep thumbs horizontal-it takes practice) and plant my left heel to initiate the downswing. Anyway you tried it to some extent and you have some valid opinion! Congrats!

I like that "slouching Tiger" reference! and Barkley would benefit from this.

They turn their head to see a pint behind or to the side depending on the amount of shoulder turn wanted for the shot. O n some shots, there is only a head tilt for me to hit a power-fade and when more of a draw is desired, there is more shoulder turn pre-set.

Do you practice ignoring the context of a quote because you are great at it! I wrote: My interest in carrying and gun selection came after last year when an apparent rabid fox made a beeline for us. I am not very fast and found myself with my hybrid in my hand and towel rapped around my left forearm! We shouted and swung and drove it off. Later it was put down! We also have had bear reports and wild dog (odd Pit-bull/Rottweiler) (we are near a major city)reports in the area so I now have a pistol that fires .410 solid shot or triple-aught buck, Colt .45, and .45 ACP-on the course I vary the sabot rounds with .45 colt-the sabot cannot really fly just tumble but the Colt ammo is stout. I never want to meet a bear or get rabies and the fox helped me focus on the fact that I am no longer 19! You chose to ignore the facts about my home course being dicey for a variety of reasons and did so to make one inane point? Let me use small words s o y o u can follow along-a pit-bull does not fear a 9 iron, neither does a b e a r. The f o x was rabid and killed a day later to avoid it attacking anyone but that took 24 hours. I don't m o v e quickly. According to your logic, if that is what you choose to call your poor reasoning, getting away once from danger, in a dangerous location in a city , means that no other problem will ever befall anyone! Could a rabid fox be part of an eco-system with other rabid animals? Why yes, it could! Why take the chance on some kid letting his pit-bull roam around? Ah, I should play somewhere else where everything is perfect and serene? Why cede the neighborhood to the problems? And where is Nirvana?

Bill please see my latest post as an answer to your stuff.

Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by iacas These are going to be short responses, but you're making some pretty goofy claims @Innercity Mini . Yeah, you too can have a swing that looks like this: Most people will lose a lot of clubhead speed doing this. I do not believe that you achieve the positions listed above and get the yardages you've indicated. You've removed levers (bending the wrists) and decreased the length of the arc by eliminating a lot of the torso turn. Please tell me you've not just alleged "racism" as the reason people are discussing/disputing this swing as valid for them (fairly able-bodied golfers)? It was started with the comment "Whaddya think?" So I disagree that it seems to have been started "to abuse the MGSS without any respect…". I've asked you a few questions, and you have been unable to answer them. You've simply cheerleaded and ignored the questions, problems, and issues. Threads here are to DISCUSS. You seem unwilling or unable to discuss anything, mirroring my experiences with Kiran herself on the Facebook. That's not happening in any sort of scale. Something must pass a reasonable burden of proof, common sense, and basic physics before I'm willing to give it "a fair trial." This thread's going nowhere fast. Hi iacas-let me offer you a discussion since nothing else I've submitted, videos, golf articles, personal testimonials etc. seem to reach your "burden of proof." Dr, Jim Suttie has validated Kinwar's MGSS in the following video- You assume that she has shortened her swing and club head arc-you can never prove this since SHE HAS LENGTHENED HER SWING BY KEEPING HER THUMBS HORIZONTAL. At worst, she has the same arc as a traditional swing ( depending on how it is measured) but has increased the time her hands are in the hitting area-conserving power and guaranteeing ball compression since the "Angle of Approach" (A golf Machine term) is so dependable in her method. You assume she will lose power and speed but she does not-your assertions being only assertions and not proof are actually refuted by Dr. Suttie in this Golf.com article and research http://www.golf.com/instruction/no-backswing-swing Kiran herself says as much in her original research shown here and on her blog: Her blog, which is free, is filled with all sorts of "proofs" based on physics and bio-mechanical research http://minimalistgolfswingblog.com/anatomy-of-the-golf-swing/ I have ignored several of your questions about "weight shift, " since you refused to answer my question about the similarities between Hogan's five lessons and her research. Hogan keeps his left arm going up his chest, close to the chest as does Kiran. Hogan skips a stone from a tilted shallow right side as does Kiran (she calls it an underhanded clap). Hogan initiates his downswing with a planted left heel as his left knee is drawn in on the back-swing while Kiran pre-sets the left side for this return the moment she pre-tilts-anyone who tries the pre-tilt will discover the weight posted forward. Kiran calls the swing a slap but like Hogan, she starts with a feel of a lower body pull which she says in several of her videos. Like Hogan, Kiran's swing encourages the right ear to tilt at the right shoulder through impact guaranteeing a sweeping motion fpr most shots. She has not eliminated the torso turn but pre-set it. She passes any burden of proof, common sense standard or research demands a reasonable person could require. She did not answer you personally so you start a thread to bash her? You and your followers talk about how "goofy" or strange her swing looks-you mention looks often-which is where I got the racist code from-she is a woman of color with an unusual looking swing. You doubt I can drive the ball 250-so I will publish some medical verifications of my injuries and have a friend film me at the range hitting the net with a driver with range balls and with a new sleeve of any ball you name-just one sleeve since I work for a living! And then you will claim you do not have enough proof to try her swing. Right? At least this guy was honest about his prejudice!

1) 45 degrees Bill is the approximate angle of the shoulders after the arm drops into the slot 2) I never said he lifted his heel but he does start his downswing with his lower body/left heel and 3) I was alluding to appearances of helicopters vs. airplanes in their capability of flight -appearances (not real thought) seem to be what many are satisfied with in this thread. A variety of Youtube videos on Ben Hogan will allow you to observe the angle of his shoulders and his planting of the left heel.

The next fox or dog might not be so easily cowered. Or, in another scenario, any of the thousands of illegal criminals Bozo the clown is letting loose in US cities might decide that an isolated golf cart filled with older people is an easy target for theft or worse! Since the average response time now in major cities for a police response is about 15 minutes in cities, and golf-courses are a little farther out, I would rather not trust the police to be my personal bodyguard at a moment notice. Bozo seemed unconcerned about the ambassador in Benghazi and the brave soldiers dying to protect him so I rather doubt he cares about me! Last year, over 2500 crimes were prevented by law-abiding citizens legally armed as I am. I am also a DAD that golfs with my daughter from time to time-or my sons-or my wife-feel me dad?