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I played two rounds and they seemed to be about as durable as the 07 prov1s for me. My wedges dont usually tear up balls that much though. 1st ball lasted me about 20 holes and the next one was still playable at the end of the round.

Got a chance to try these this weekend and I have to say Im quite impressed. The stick well off the scoring irons and do pretty good on the green as while. They are not as good as a pro-v1 or b330rx but for $15/12 you can not beat it.

Just a question here. I have seen a few people refer to golf as a with class. In this context what does class mean? My understanding of class is social standing class or Well mannered people have class and those without do not. There could be another meaning of the word I am not familiar with so I am just looking for clarification here. Thanks

If anyone likes this ball my local walmart(and im sure others) has them on clearance for $15 a dozen. I have not tried this ball yet but picked up some to try out as thats a great price.

I play a mix. I play some very nice courses (private and semi private) and I play munis too. I like changing courses a lot. Keeps me from getting to comfortable on a course. There is 14 courses within 1 hour of me. 4 of these are private and very nice. 2 are semi private and very nice and the rest are some pretty fun munis (a 27 hole an 18 hole and some 9 holers). 2 of private courses Have semi-strict dress codes (Collar required but jeans/cargos allowed) 1 of the semi private is very very strict. All of the rest are wear whatever. Within around 2 hours of me there 50+ courses with ~6/10 or so of the semi-private having lax dress codes and all of the munis having basically no dress code. There are some very very nice munis in this range that have no dress code and no course condition problems. Most of the privates (probably 8/10 in this range have strict codes (I always said privates can do whatever they want and I obey the code when I get invited there as a guest) There are also a couple of what I would call top tier courses within the 2 hour range. I am not sure what the code is at them but I am sure it is strict.

Another thing is there are collarless golf shirts for sale in club houses where they are banned on that course (Have to have a collar period). That was always funny to me.

Texas I have played in several states around here too. I also show up in slacks instead of cargo shorts at an unknown course but I still prefer the comfort of shorts (and it gets bloody hot in Texas. It is not unheard of to hit 105F on a summer day) My father-in-law travels quite a bit internationally and has said several times that the courses he has played abroad were mostly pretty lax on the dress code (~70/30).

That is a very good point Fourputt. I would like to note that a lot of courses sell this but still do not require it. Golf is so much fun I would rather spread the sport to everyone I can regardless of attire. If I have a friend interested in golf who prefers jeans I want to be able to bring that friend to the course (As long as it is public) and introduce to the worlds best sport. Love and Respect for the game have nothing to do with attire in my opinion. I understand that it may for you. I do not think you are wrong for that as long as you respect that yours is not the only opinion.

Wow went back and looked at your first post. "The big problem with those people is if you do not have enough sense to dress somewhat appropriately to go to the course, then you certainly don't have enough sense to have any sort of etiquette while on it." There was my whole freaking point and you are one of the ones who said it. You went on and on to me about how you do not judge but look and that man. Is that not judging? So which is true? Do you or don't you? Seems to me you do not own up to your statements. Which is funny because you accused me of the same thing. EDIT: As far as I am concerned elitists like you are bad for the game. Not the new player who is loving playing and learning the game that just happens to wear clothes outside your so-called "norm". I will never discourage someone from playing based on appearance I will only try to educate them on the rules and etiquette of golf. You would just rather they went home.

Okay throw your little tantrum and stomp out. I already mentioned that I obey dress codes at private clubs. You just are just really up on your high horse man. Someday your ego will shatter and you will come crumbling down. Hey and you know it's lonely at the top but at least you get to look down on all the little people... EDIT: I also stated that private clubs have a right to make the dress code whatever they want and people should obey it at private clubs.

I completely agree. Being married does not mean you become 1 person. You should still have some interests of your own. However you do still have to be a good dad/mom husband/wife and not be selfish about your hobby. My wife and I both have hobbies and we both spend about the same amount of time at them without neglecting each other or our children.

See in my experience it is the opposite. I have no problem with private clubs having a strict dress code. That is their right and I obey it completely when playing a private clubs. Find me a study that says the majority of golf courses have a strict dress code. I think it is reversed. There are lots and lots of courses with very minimal dress codes. They may in fact even be the majority. I wish we could poll every course in the world and get an answer but it is just not possible. Now there are probably themes in different small areas. For example near me there is only one course with a strict code but near you there may only be one without it. When speaking for golf the game however we would have to take a count world wide as it is a world sport.

I did say that dress codes are good and I am in the majority there. I did however say that I do not agree with the restrictions. This thread deviated from the original question a long time ago. The poll is a good/bad thing but the thread is a discussion about what the code should be among lots of other things.

Another one for NM Golf. Already responded in previous post. I never said everyone in this thread and I never named you. You ego is so big that everyone must be talking about you I guess. Again, you are not the center of the universe. Oh look name calling again and elitist attitude again. There you go feel better call me a newbie. You know that being on these forums longer makes you 100% right and a smarter better person. You really seem to have this super ego and are very afraid that it will be shattered if you admit you are not at the top.

NM Golf here is your second response to me. I do not know what to say. You seem to believe in imaginary rules set out by society. I live in Texas. I my area wearing tight jeans with a tucked in t-shirt is considered "nice" by lots of people. I really do not get where you get this ego crap. I really do not have one. I guess I am slob in a my choice of clothing because you keep saying it and your way is the only one. The more and more I read your statements you seem to have this elitist attitude. I am not twisting the freaking meaning. Go back and re read man. There are lots of posts about this. The poll on this thread is dress codes good or bad. The theme of this thread is what the dress code should be and why. Basically what you are saying here is you are so stuck on your opinion being right that you will never even consider anyone elses opinions. Open up a little and talk to other people. Then why did you even respond to my post in the first place? I have no axe to grind and no chip on my shoulder. My style of dress is considered just fine in my area. You are just so glued to your opinion being the only one that you can not handle people having different ones. You are the one with the ego. You are not the freaking center of the universe man. I already talked about this one in a previous post.

NM Golf I am gonna go back to your original response to me. Ok so the theme of your first statement to me seems to be that I am either an idiot or just plain lazy because I do not agree with you. I never said mentioned you in my first post so I never accused you of judging me. I did use an example. Go back and re read. People talk about cargo shorts, jeans, tshirts, beards and so on being a sign of bad course manors. That sure sounds like judging on appearance to me. So now you completly misread me and resort to petty name calling. (Slob being a insulting word). What do I really do so wrong man... Wear a nice pair of cargo shorts and having bit scruffy beard is rebelling? Maybe its wearing a collared shirt. Then you imply that I may be lazy. You do not know me and you did not even catch how I dress but you are still making assumptions about me. Comfort from clothes comes from getting used to them. Not everyone is used to your style of dress. Maybe you need to come down a bit. I do not feel and I am certainly not inferior. All people are of equal worth. I do not make assumptions based upon appearance. I give people a chance to show who they are. This has always worked out pretty well for me in the past.

Okay the majority of the voters in this thread are in favor of a dress code. However they are far from having a set norm of what that should be. Some people are ok with jeans. Some people are not. Some think cargo shorts are fine. Some people do not. If you go back and read peoples statements you will see they are all over the board. I am even for dress codes like I stated before but of course my rules for the code would be different than other people.

NM Golf you quoted 1 paragraph from my original post were I did talk about me. Re read the whole thing. This is a quote from your last post as an example of not either comprehending or fully reading my posts. I will give you more if you need it. "Umm what? Butt hurt? Anyway, if you have not yet run into a problem with a course having an issue with your mode of dress then consider yourself lucky. And if you have showed up at any type of nice country club as an invited guest in a t-shirt and jeans then you are truly a fool. Thats completely disrespectful." I already said that I do not wear jeans... I stated in my first post what it is that wear but you seem to miss those parts or something. What am I supposed to say to your statement about wearing jeans when I dont wear them. Also go back and reread this thread. There is a lot of post that say course manors are tied to appearance. There are lots of threads that say not having a clean shave is offensive and means you course etiquette probably sucks. You said "My reading comprehension is just fine, I have several college degrees to prove it. You just have nothing to defend your stance. Stay on topic, personal attacks about my intelligence won't help your case." I was not attacking your intelligence as reading comprehension is not a measure of ones intelligence but rather ones ability to comprehend what they read. Measuring ones intelligence by college degrees is not accurate. What having several college degrees really proves is that you have a great work and study ethic which are far more important than intelligence for the most part. Let me break apart my original statement for you This was my the statement of my post. It does not talk about me but opinions of people in general. "Remember that "nice" clothing is not a standard of dress but rather your personal opinion of what "nice" is. To some people dressing well is a suit. To some people its slacks and a button down shirt. To me its cargo shorts and a walmart polo. To other people its jeans and a solid color t-shirt. Who is right?" This next part is an example of what a lot of comments in this thread are about. "Reading through some of your posts you think I am a no mannered #@$hole just because I like cargo shorts and have a ragged beard. People should not be judged based on their clothing. It is however easy to judge someone who does that. Clothes do not make the man his actions do. I am very successful in my career and I wear shorts and funny t-shirts to work. I have a long ragged beard and my hair style is whatever comes out of the shower in the morning. That has never stopped me from promotions/raises/praise from the company I work for. I wear what is COMFORTABLE to play in." This next part is me explaining my frustrations with elitist attitudes. I also talk about golfers in jeans. I do not wear jeans but some of my golf buddies do. Does not mean they are bad people or have poor etiquette? They are actually quite fun to play with and I am glad I did not snub them cause they were wearing jeans. "Sorry for the rant it just frustrates me when people think they are better people are better than someone else for such a stupid reason. Hopefully someday you will learn to get to know someone before you judge them. Who knows you might even have a new golf partner who just happens to prefer gasp jeans..." You keep focusing on the second part when it was just an example. The first part was the concept of the entire post.

Yeah I probably picked the wrong wording there. A good example of offensive was I once noticed a guy at a course wearing a swastika t-shirt. Distracting would be a guy wearing shorts so tiny his bits are hanging out the bottom or shirtless. These should be discussed by members or the users of the course and a decision reached. What I have been trying to say is there is no norm. Opinions are so varied on something like this that there is not a norm. Society does not have a norm. However I will say that generations are a little closer to having a norm. I am 30 and my idea of presentable will usually not be similar to someone who is 50. A lot of 50 year olds on the other hand will generally have similar ideas on the matter. Neither group is wrong.

Apology accepted. What I have been trying to say all along is that your idea of presentable is not everyone's idea. When I was a teenager living in poverty wearing a pair of cargo shorts and a collared shirt would have been way past presentable for me. I was forced to wear hand me downs and salvation army jeans and t-shirts so that was a big step up for me. I am sure there are lots of people from many different backgrounds that feel like me, feel like you, and have way different opinions than us. Society as whole has varying opinions on what is presentable. Some people view a guy in low cut jeans with a tight as hell t-shirt as presentable. I personally don't but I have no problem that some do. Now my main point is that the only restrictions a non private golf course should have is nothing offensive, revealing, or distracting to other golfers. Sorry I got a bit yelly but attacking my character got me a little hot. Thanks for the apology and I much prefer a calm conversation.

NM Golf it is pointless talking to you as you lack basic reading comprehension. In my original post I stated that I wear cargo shorts and a collared shirt. My post was to support people who do not yet you constantly read it as me me me. I do not have an ego problem at all. I did speak a little about have a bit of a ragged beard and not doing much with my hair. Being that I have short hair most people would never even notice. But anyways I am done arguing with you as it is impossible when you can not even understand what I write.

This is what you replied to my original post "I just don't get why a person would have so little self respect that he would think that such a slovenly appearance is acceptable anywhere outside if his own house. People like you are precisely the reason this thread exists in the first place. I could wear clean blue jeans and a T-shirt and look more presentable that you do. You can say that it has nothing to do with your personality, but if you enjoy looking like a slob then there is something at fault in your character. Not combing your hair is simple laziness, and believe it or not, you can be comfortable and still look neat." I guess calling me a slob and saying their is something at fault in my character is not judging me based on my appearance. Wow thanks for clearing that up. That is an attack on a personal level man. Since your pulling numbers out of your butt Ill pull some too... your 95% is probably more like 35%. In all the course I have ever played only 1 did not allow jeans. I have played quite a few private, semi-private, and munis. Around 90% of my original thread was about this thread judging people in general but you two took it as a I am butt hurt thread cause you are talking about me.

NM Golf... No not wolves but I was raised in a very poor household. You are just supporing what I said by saying society dictates what is nice. So are you trying to tell me there is only one opinion in society as to what is nice or is it just that anyone who disagrees with your definition is wrong. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I made 1 statement about people judging me based on statements that have been repeated in this thread. A common theme in this thread has been that people who wear cargo shorts or people without a clean shave or perfectly trimmed beard have less manors than the poster of the comment. The rest of my thread was an in general judging which is true. People in this thread have been saying players behavior on course is related to their style of dress. (which sounds like judging to me. this has been the running theme of this thread "dress codes keep the riff raff out so they are good") Again work on your reading comprehension as I never said better than me. I don't think you get the fact that calling me a Slob is relative to your opinion. If I get 100 people from identical backgrounds in a room and have them judge someones appearance they will all have different opinions. How do you not get that everyone in the world does not share your exact same thoughts on the issue. When I see people on the golf course I do not have any thought about how they are dressed. I am not like you. I play with people in full golf clothing and I play with people in gym shorts and a t-shirt. I do not care as long as they respect the course and the other players on the course. To you and Fourputt... What do you not get... Opinions are relative to you. What you think looks more "presentable" is your opinion. Its not the world consensus. My appearance is my choice its not about having no self-respect. I can not believe people like you all still exist in this world. Open your eyes. You are not the freaking center of the universe. Everyone has opinions and they do not all fall in line with yours.

Remember that "nice" clothing is not a standard of dress but rather your personal opinion of what "nice" is. To some people dressing well is a suit. To some people its slacks and a button down shirt. To me its cargo shorts and a walmart polo. To other people its jeans and a solid color t-shirt. Who is right? Reading through some of your posts you think I am a no mannered #@$hole just because I like cargo shorts and have a ragged beard. People should not be judged based on their clothing. It is however easy to judge someone who does that. Clothes do not make the man his actions do. I am very successful in my career and I wear shorts and funny t-shirts to work. I have a long ragged beard and my hair style is whatever comes out of the shower in the morning. That has never stopped me from promotions/raises/praise from the company I work for. I wear what is COMFORTABLE to play in. Sorry for the rant it just frustrates me when people think they are better people are better than someone else for such a stupid reason. Hopefully someday you will learn to get to know someone before you judge them. Who knows you might even have a new golf partner who just happens to prefer gasp jeans...

I wear Cargo Shorts and either a T-Shirt or a Wal Mart "Polo" and golf shoes. It gets fraking hot in South Texas and the Humidity makes you wish you had gills. In my opinion dress codes should just not allow offensive/revealing clothing (guys/girls) but everything else should be allowed.