Alright Rob, yea I have joined the UK site too thought id try as many possibly avenues to find this bag plus think its a good way to learn about the game! I was a memeber at whittington heath when I was playing as a teenager. I love that course and would rejoin in a heartbeat but when I joined as a teenager I forked out for a joining fee and now I want to go back as an adult that want to charge me the joining fee again! What did you think of Whittington Heath? I can belive that the Forest of Arden did that, they get a lot of bad press from Golfers up this way. Changing courses and not giving you a refund up their with some of the worst storys I have heard about them. I am joining the Belfry in April of next year, they do a ... dont quote me I think its called a SunDowner .. basically I can play the PGA and the Derby anytime after 12pm in the summer and after 10am in the winter. I have heard good things about Bea Desert Ill have to check it out after it has recieved such a good review!