ya i dont think you guys are understanding what im saying.. the grips are amazing when i hit them. They just feel like a brand new grip and there are ROUGH edges on the little inset peices. As i use them they stop being so ridged, but the feel of the grip is nice. and its not a hurt as much as it is, i like to hit alot of golf balls when i get to the range *as its winter* and after a while they start to just tendorize your hand. im usualy fine till the next day my hands are rough holding the steering wheel, i can almost still feel the little inserts on my hands lol. My 7 is pretty good now cuz i hit a ton from that club. WEll, thanks for all your opinons, i think ima just do what shanks says and to keep using them..