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  1. Quote: I'm not saying that we can't improve our body speed slightly. I am saying we can't improve it very much. Luke Donald will never hit a ball as far as Rory McIlroy no matter how many weights he lifts. Greg Maddox could never throw as fast as Sandy Koufax no matter how hard he worked at it (and he was a bigger stronger guy). You might take a guy that runs a 5 flat 40 and get him down to a 4.8 but he'll never be a 4.3 guy. Another guy might run a 4.4 the first day he walks on a field. We can of course improve our technique and get the most out of what we've got. I would shift this slightly. I've posted this before, but I find it interesting, so here goes. I don't think you are born with it, I think what you do in very young years matters a whole whole lot. I'm (obviously) not sure what ages or details etc.... but I don't think its genetic, I think there is some period that is formative that is really, really important. I could serve a tennis ball when I played in college about as hard as the average ATP player. I swung really, really fast. I also had a tennis court at my house growing up and have pictures of me as a baby/toddler swinging tennis racquets around. I remember trying as a little kid to hit a ball over a particular tree over and over and over, swinging as hard as I could. I grew up hitting a tennis ball *hard* and when I got older I could hit it hard. I swing a golf club decently hard, but nowhere near (relatively speaking) by overhead motion with a racquet. Even today, I can clock that racquet extremely hard, close to pro speeds, and I don't play anymore. If it was muscle speed or something biological then it shouldn't be different. I think there is a big-time connection between what you do at young ages and what you can do when your older. Some way the muscles learn to move and let go. Who knows, but I think this is more likely than being born with it.
  2. Edited to nothing to short circuit this argument. I have some family issues with drugs and I suppose am super-sensitive to someone stereotyping and being what I think is cruel. That said, I went overboard with this post so I edited it. Back to the golf side of the forum. :)
  3. Quote: But, I can still be a decent human at the end of the day and put aside "envy" or "jealousy" to say that I hope he gets the help he needs and that I'd like to see him back on tour sooner rather than later. This is exactly the response a decent human being should have. No envy or jealousy here. This is the sympathetic, god-fearing response. He is a human and he deserves sympathy and respect from his fellow humans. He is a drug addict. I've had drug addicts in my family. They are sad and should be pitied, not hated. To say what some others said on here (chicken legs, fake tan, etc...) is cruel, hateful and from a bad place in their own lives. EDIT: Its either that, or some people like to say outrageous things because they enjoy getting a response out of others for some reason. If that is the case, and I'm feeding the trolls, I apologize.
  4. Quote: What natural "talent" does a golfer need? I think the actual, honest answer to this question is "nobody has any idea at all". Generally, I think you need to be really, really good at something with a significant separation value. The lower the separation value, the better you need to be relative to the field. This could be because when you were 3 you played some game over and over and developed incredible hand eye co-ordination. Or not. I think the people who say "you need a ton of natural talent but I can't quatify it or explain it" really mean "I have no idea". And I think the people who say natrual talent is a myth, and you can get there with a ton of standard practice really mean "I have no idea". Note that this is contradictory to what I've posted previously in this thread. After reading the whole thread, following the Dan Plan and improving my own game, my conclusion is nobody knows and nobody can predict it. Which would imply its mental, but I'm not sure about that either. I have Furyk's last two rounds at the last tournament he was in (the one where TIm Clark lapped him) with "save until I delete" status on my Tivo. He was hitting his hybrid from 200 yards out (did it twice). He was getting up and down cosntantly. His swing is weird. Nobody could predict he is awesome, but he is. He hit a 6 iron from maybe 155 at one point. Hes not long. He has a good short game, but not incredible. Yet he is awesome. Why? Who knows. I am convinced there is no metric you can use to predict professional sports success, let alone a game as fickle as golf.
  5. Quote: At what point to we hold people responsible for their actions and have the ability to call them out for poor decisions? Seems here that anyone who's critical of DJ's behavior is being attacked for acting superior which is pretty sad. "I hate Dustin Johnson because he married a party girl and, while I don't really know him, I am going to call him all sorts of horrible things in public based on virtually nothing" is what envious jerks say. "Drugs are a very damaging thing and I condemn their use. I hope that Dustin recovers from a health problem of his own making." is what loving human beings say. Of course you can call people out for bad decisions. But when it becomes insults because someone is struggling, it marks you as a Grade A jerk. Decent human beings look at someone who has ruined his life out of stupidity and feel sorry for them. Jealous human beings look at someone who has ruined their life out of stupidity and feel anger / the need to condemn. This thread is pretty revealing about how happy some people are with their own lives, IMO.
  6. On a vacation in Tuscany for three weeks. Anyone have any courses they would recommend? Going to be staying in Montecatini but easy train rides to Pisa, Florence. Would specifically love to find somewhere with a driving range, if possible, where i can buy just hitting balls without a round (Tough to find, I know). English speaking not required. Thanks in advance! Best, John
  7. Thanks to all for the great replies. I liked the book Lowest Score Wins because it made me rethink alot about how I manage the course and how I pick my equipment - it just leads you to challenge what you assume to be true about the game. One offshoot of hitting my driver much more (which I have started to do since reading the book) is that I am now hitting shorter clubs out of worse lies. This is where I think it is advantageous to have the "iron set" wedges b/c they have alot more forgiveness and quite frankly they go further. If I have a 49* iron set wedge that goes about 125 yards for me, thats better than the 50* "real" wedge that goes 120, IMO. Distance is better. Quote: Plus, you can have way more touch with traditional style wedges, than any that would match a set. Mostly, imo, because the faces are too hot for shots around the green. Personally, I'm inching closer and closer to dropping my matching Gap (50 degree) wedge for something with a less hot face, and more traditional. I'm sure I'll prefer the matching for full shots, but it's much tougher to control on shorter pitches and half shots. See, this is kindof why I posted. I think people think they have "more touch" with the regular wedges, but I think the opposite is actually true. I took it to the course a few days ago as I said in my original post to do the "spheres" the book talks about, and my iron set wedges were way more consistent and not that much further from the hole. I saw zero advantage to the "blade" style wedges, at least from the 49* and 54* wedges from the fairway and light rough. I hit one similar bad shot off each of the 52* mack daddy and the 54* xhot SW, way out on the toe. The mack daddy lost about 20 yards, the xhot lost about 8 yards! Quote: The Mizuno MP line only goes to PW, and I suspect that's the case for most other manufactures with their low-handicap targeted sets. This is kindof what I'm questioning. I'm a good player (about a 4-5 handicap most of the time), and since reading LSW I've been questioning whether these low-handicap targeted irons / wedges are actually better. My SGI irons plump on the middle of the green a whole lot, and it seems that the extending the set into the distance wedges (note: not the greenside wedges) makes sense, especially since hitting it to the middle from 110-130 (my 49-54 degree range) is pretty good. I also have a set of "players irons" and they were shorter and less consistent than my SGI X-hots during the sphere drills. Could be I'm just not "good enough" to take advantage of players' clubs, but in actual testing they seemed shorter and more error-prone. Especially since I am trying to hit a fade on every shot since reading the book, "workabilit" doesn't seem all that important... Quote: For most of us mere mortals, wedges are the only "blades" we can handle without putting ourselves at a severe disadvantage. Why don't you think it puts you at a disadvantage? Less forgiveness, less distance... Interesting stuff. I think hitting driver alot more and then using the iron set wedges to get on the green in good spots makes alot of sense. Just throwing it out there for discussion. i'm pretty pleased with my decision to keep only my 60* utility grind wedge for within 80 yards of the green and in and the rest just like my other irons, with the aim point middle of the green. Was just curious why nobody else uses these clubs (I think a +2.4 hdcp - phillyk? - was actually called out in another thread for being worse than his handicap *because* he didn't have wedges seperate from his iron set wedges as tho a good player would never do that).
  8. Hi All, You don't really see "good" (or golfers who play alot) use the G/A, S and L wedges from their iron set. After reading LSW and thinking about it, I thought the forgiveness would be important to still hitting middle of the green with the longer wedge shots. Obviously i realize the book says get fitted for wedges, but assuming that isn't an option, why don't more players use their iron set wedges? I took my Mack Daddy 2 wedge and a used X-hot iron sand wedge to the course for some testing yesterday. The x-hot iron sand wedge was very good and the forgiveness was really nice. I also pick up about 4-7 yards from the iron set wedge over the mack daddy wedge. My 60* was way better for chipping / pitching around the green than the iron set wedge, but I'm strongly considering replacing my mack daddy wedges with the gap and sand wedges from my iron set. The forgiveness is nice, and they are more consistent. Is there anything I'm missing? Why don't you ever see anyone use these clubs? Thanks, John
  9. Quote: I don't have any quality way to get a video 99% of the videos on this site are with a camera phone in a cell phone. It works great. You can either play a little with distance from you, or get a stand for $10 at a best buy type store. Its worth it, every dollar. I was a 15-17 hdcp when i started regularly videotaping my swing. I was flipping like crazy. You never could have convinced me i was flipping without those videos. Quote: Like I said, I don't agree with everything, but the idea of the swing originating with the right arm pushing, instead of the left side/hips pulling, is a huge difference in FEEL and is working very well. Fair enough, and I am glad you are getting better. However, while it might feel like this will be perfect forever right now, its going to stop working. Its human nature - if a little right arm push is good, a lot of right arm push is better, right? Swing tips are like that. They work bc its letting you feel something new, but its very difficult to *build* on something like this. If you don't know *why* the right arm push is working (for example, you clearly don't agree with that diagram about where the weight is, or about the sweet spot path going way outside - so you obviously don't agree with the larger "building blocks" of this swing) then you are going to play well for a week or two, then go back to where you were before. The key is to get an understanding of *why* certain feels are working, and that is easiest done on video. Is it working b/c its getting your weight forward? Or because it gives you a better sense of clubface control? Think about what you are going to have to do to improve your swing beyond now. You are going to have to think about something else, work on something else, groove something else. If you don't understand *why* this feel works for you, then you are going to jump from tip to tip. Its not a good way to get better at golf. Anyway, I don't want to be negative nancy here, but i also don't want to see you get ahead of yourself. The "why" is much more important than the "what". I'd figure out a way to figure out why this works for you (video, slower, shorter swings, etc...) so that you can build a swing out of it instead of just rely on it to play a little better for a little while. There are alot of swing "theories" that work and can produce good players. However, the key is *understanding* NOT *duplication*. As usual, my $0.02.
  10. Stumpy, have you videotaped yourself swinging this way and compared it to the diagrams? Or are you going on feel? The impact condition in that picture is poor, and won't lead to good shots consistently. However, the "feel" of the swing might be just right for you. For example, it really helps me to "feel" like my hips go over my left foot at impact. It feels like they do. But on video, they are not even close to getting that far forward, but thats what I need to "feel" to get my weight forward at impact. It is much more likely you identify with the "feel" of this swing that is causing you to swing well than you are the only person in the universe who improves by hanging his weight back and throwing the club way outside from the top. Can we get a video?
  11. Quote: But as I said earlier, when I hit the ball on a solid pick, I get ALOT of height- much more than my playing partners, so as a result the ball usually ends up very close to the divot (within 3 feet most times) Hitting it very high with a lack of distance is a characteristic of flipping in a swing. Your impact condition is adding loft.
  12. Thin and fat shots are caused by the exact same mistake, which is a swing bottom behind the ball. You need to fix impact. Quote: The issue at hand is nearly all my approach shots are fine, whereas a few per round wind up like line drive bullets. I disagree. The issue is that you have a swing flaw. Alot of times, you can compensate for it because you probably have good hand-eye co-ordination. You are thinking about this backwards. Your thin shots are the shots your swing produces that you don't save. However, its very likely that you swing that way all the time and can generally save it with your hands at impact. Its possible (just much less likely) that 2-3 times a round you swing completely different that normal, and I'm not sure how you fix that. But, odds are, you have a swing flaw that you can save with your hands some of the time. Quote: I might have a 115 yd shot into the green with a 9 iron I don't mean to offend, but unless you have a significant disability or you are elderly (or I suppose very young) that is very short for a 9 iron. This implies your impact condition isn't good. It also provides further support that you have a bad impact condition most of the time, but save it by flipping your hands at the ball. A downward, full strike that compresses the ball with the weight forward at impact should send a 9 iron significantly longer than 114 yards. Now, we all have our foibles, and some are longer than others, but a 115 yard 9 iron implies something is wrong, IMO. If you have an injury or you are older please accept my apologies for jumping to this conclusion. Quote: One thing I'm pretty certain is, I am not flippping my wrists at impact. How do you know? When I was about a 15 handicap I video'd my swing for the first time. I was flipping like crazy. Had you asked me, I would have said that I of course have my weight forward at impact (everyone knows you need to do that). What you feel isn't what you are actually doing. Quote: Is there a simple trick to get a little more down without getting fat? Yep, its called a "consistent swing bottom". When we figure it out, we'll let you know lol. I would strongly suggest you video tape your swing from the side, especially at impact. My guess is that you will find your impact condition isn't what you think it is.
  13. Quote: he has lost most of his confidence.. How in the world do you know this?
  14. Its kindof a silly question without more detail. I played La Tour Golf Club, which is about 45 minutes from my home course for the first time the other weekend. Its the same 6700ish yards, same type of grass, same relative layout as my home course, same weather conditions and wind etc... I didn't notice too much. It was totally flat, like most courses where I am. I shot 76, which is what I would expect to shoot at home. I played Sunnapee Country Club in New Hampshire, which was a beautiful, short Donald Ross track with devilish greens and tons of hills. Grass was different on the greens. Was hilly (which I had very little experience with). Some holes had greens way above some way below. Its a fantastic course. I shot 92 the first day, 94 the second day, and 81 the third day. So, it depends on how different "different" is. EDIT: Fully aware those are bad scores for my handicap, before GHIN0001 goes off on me. It was very different playing golf in the hills with greens up and down.
  15. Quote: I can hit my 17* FW wood off the tee box deck with a nice divot and carry about 215-230 pretty consistently and am debating always hitting off the deck as it feels more natural rather than changing my grip to strong just for the sake of teeing it up with a driver. Thats extremely impressive for an 18 cap (And a consistent 223 yard average straight with a 17* club would be impressive for a 10 cap IMO). Are you sure this isn't just mental? Meaning, sometimes we "like" a feel and think we hit it better that way when its really just the same. Just throwing this out there - its very unlikely you are actually doing this with an 18 cap. Quote: Does anyone flat out hit down on the ball with every club and totally abandon any other type of swing? I do, but I am trying to change it. I hit down with the driver and all the other clubs, and I hit a fade 95% of the time. The key thing to understand here is that it isn't your swing that should change, its your setup. If you want an upward AoA, move the ball forward. Now, if your head is moving (more below) this doesn't work. However, if you have a consistent swing bottom, you can get a postiive AoA by simply moving the ball forward (as it will be just in front of the bottom). As usal, having a consistent swing bottom is the fix. You get that by getting the first three keys IMO (steady head, flat left wrist, weight forward). Quote: The problem is when I tee up a driver, FW wood or hybrid I MUST assume a pretty strong grip or else it's slice city. I've tried for the last 6 weeks at about 1200 balls a week on the range and just can't find it with a neutral grip teeing up the 3 aforementioned clubs. Its hard to tell without a video. However, it is probably likely your head is moving forward in the downswing. Taking a strong grip will close the face to the target, but leaves it open to the path, producing a fade. A neutral grip probably leaves your face open/square to the target with an out-to-in path, producing a slice. I had this exact same problem. When your head comes forward, your angle of attack gets really steep, and you throw the club outside. Further, when your head comes forward, you are shifting your swing bottom forward, which means you will never hit up. What has worked for me to help this is to have a swing thought of keeping my chin glued to my chest and making half-swings. Making full swings with this swing thought isn't great as you can get hurt, but little half swings can give you the impression of a stable head with some power. This little drill has helped me a ton. You should really post a video, though, as its hard to tell without one. Your problem sounds like my problem (complete with straightening it out by gripping stronger). Instead of just pounding away at 1200 balls per week, try putting an alignment stick in front of you about square. Make half swings, concentrating on keeping your head still (but moving forward with everything else) and starting the ball to the left of the stick (for a fade). This is a great drill to feel the proper clubface rotation with a neutral grip and the head staying still. Hit 5 or 6 like this and then hit a full swing and repeat. Isolating the problems (head moves forward, open face at impact) helped quite a bit. It also helped me quite a lot to get an adjustable driver and put most of the weight in the heel. That said, if you're hitting a 17* club 230 yards consistently striaght at a 18 cap I'd just strengthen the grip and go work on something else :).
  16. It took me about 6 years of intense work to go from a ~27 to a 4.2. I think that transition is possible, but it took me a long time and a lot of work. I don't know of anyone who has gone from 100+ to a professional career. Seems impossible.
  17. A really good way to feel the timing of the hips is to take your normal address position and normal grip at home. Take your right hand off the club and make a backswing keeping your left hand on the grip where it is (soled behind the ball). Slowly, make backswings with your right hand only. You can't get stuck behind, as your body will automatically drop the right arm instead of spinning open when there is no left arm in the movement. Try to swing back with your right only while leaving your left on the club in address position then return the right hand to the club by spinning out - your right hand gets stuck behind you. So basically you are making backswings and downswings right arm/hand only while keeping your left in its address position and your left hand on the club. If you don't sequence your hips right you can't get your right hand back to the club (note: your body will do it naturally). This was a very good "feel" for me to stop spinning open on the way down. Its from Faldo's Swing for Life, and the drills and feels in that book are great (even if the text is wonky).
  18. Quote: but I only want to hear nice shot when I actually hit a nice shot, which to me means in the fairway, on the green, or in the hole. Seems harsh for an 18 cap. At an 18, you're hitting what, like 3-5 greens per round? Seems like a confidence killer to only let yourself enjoy 3-5 shots per round. Be focused on process not outcome. If you go through your routine, make solid contact, and plan the shot in accordance with your courseplan its a nice shot, regardless of whether or not it spins off the green into a bunker. People are just trying to be nice man. Don't let it bother you.
  19. I'd also add its very odd you are teeing off every par 4 with a 6 iron. I don't think I could break 90 if I had to hit 6 iron off every tee at my local.
  20. You had quite a first post, very true. You obvioulsy have mechanical problems, but as usual in these types of threads, you need to seriously fix how you talk to yourself. Examples: Quote: Putts from the edge of the green that go 10 feet, leaving me with another 40 foot putt. This is obviously widly exaggerated. There is no way you have multiple putts where you hit it 10 feet instead of 50. Once? Maybe. But more than once is ludicrious. The actual truth isn't bad enough, so you have to exaggerate it in your head. Why say this to yourself? It isn't true. Quote: Hole 7: 6 iron beautifully placed on fairway. 7 iron on green. 2 putt for par. Only decent hole. Total score 4. This is pretty revealing. EVEN on your one good hole, you can't resist a dig at yourself - "only decent hole". SO even when you play great, your brain twists it into a negative. I wouldn't do anything else re: golf without reading this book: http://www.amazon.com/Golf-Not-Game-Perfect-Rotella/dp/068480364X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid;=1404838886&sr;=8-1&keywords;=golf+is+not+a+game+of+perfect Clearly you have mechanical problems in your swing, but if you don't fix your happiness problem on the course you have no hope. How you talk to yourself is very important. Cconentrate on the good shots. Concentrate on improvement. Don't dwell on the bad shots. Saying stuff like "I ALWAYS (emphasis yours) have 2-3 blowup holes" basically insures you will continue to have them.
  21. Quote: My advice (coming from a 16 handicapper)... don't get caught up in distance or clubhead speed. Use those things as tools to know where you are going to hit the ball and concentrate on your actual swing and less on numbers. The numbers will improve if you concentrate on your swing mechanics. Totally disagree. The main difference between me being a 15 capper and me being a 5 capper is distance. 60 yards with the driver and about 30 with each iron. Yes, different strokes for different folks, but distance is, IMO, the best way to get better if you don't already have it. Notice I said "best" and not "easiest". How are you physicially, OP? Your facts were kindof all over the place, but if you can swing the club 100 mph "off balance" I think the best thing to do is improve your balance (which is actually fairly easy to do). I got longer by taking 6-8 months working with this book: http://www.amazon.com/Fix-Your-Body-Swing-Revolutionary/dp/0312605625/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid;=1404756430&sr;=8-1&keywords;=fix+your+body+fix+your+swing'' and making sure I had keys 2 and 3 down *cold*. Now, I have serious issues with my golf swing, mainly that i don't have key #1. But having a clubhead speed of 105mph and a forward impact condition, coupled with a reliable shot shape, makes you a pretty good golfer on its own. This isn't easy, and my swing isn't great because my head rips forward when I hit the ball, but I can play well because I'm long and my fade is reliable. I'm not a 300 hitter, but a golf course can really open up when you can hit it hard with a reliable shape. Before that book and doing key 2 and 3 drills *Constantly* on the range (get forward at impact) I hit my driver about 200-220 with a swing speed in the high 80s. You can get it faster. It just takes working an hour or two every single day off the course for about half a year. THat book will show you how to add speed. A new driver might help, but a new body would help more. The book has a bunch of "self-assessment" excercises that will tell you if you can get longer by improving your body. At a low-80s swing speed, its almost certain (Especially if you are serious that you can swing 100 mph "off balance").
  22. Quote: You said yourself it was bilking people out of their money if he was outright lying, and we showed you he was. I'll look a couple things up and post the probability of a 2.6 handicap shooting 3 or 4 rounds in the 80's (his tournament scores) in a row to show you how blatant it is that he has is lying about his handicap. You didn't "show" me anything. One previous poster suggested he might not turn all his rounds in, and you have promised something in the future which you may or may not post later. If you show me that this is a deliberate fraud (as you suggest, above), I'll agree with "bilk". Until then, its people paying somebody something for generating a ton of content.
  23. Quote: So my question is should I just groove the new swing path by practicing a few weeks on the range and not even worry about distance yet, or should I work on the rest of my swing and try to groove that swing in with more improvements right away? Your time spent on the range should be spent working on these changes, one at a time, in isolation. For example, if you are working on an inside path, place a tee just outside the "real" tee and focus on not hitting it, or any of the other great drills on this site. What you should not do is go to the range and bang a bucket of full swings trying to do all four things at once. Basically, what you are asking is "should I trust these improvements even though I can't do them at full speed". The answer from anyone here is "I have no idea, you didn't tell us what the improvements are, but chances are you can't make any change at full speed." In practice, isolate the changes with drills and slow swings. On the course, go through your routine and make the best swing you can at that time. "Choosing" whether to work on getting better at a slower speed on the range or swinging faster for the course is silly. Its not a "choice". You work on getting a better swing at a slower speed on the range and you play golf on the course. On the range, slow it down, isolate the parts, do drills. On the course, pick ONE simple swing thought, go through your routine, and play golf to your target. Its not a choice. All IMO, of course.
  24. Quote: By reading his blog and mapping his score entries many on here have noticed he has not posted all of his rounds, also and probably even more telling is Dans "Anti" cap, his has an unusually large disparity compared to golfers in all handicap ranges, that is probably the strongest evidence of him manipulating his handicap to keep interest up. Maybe, who knows. But to say the guy is "bilking" people out of money is ridiculous.
  25. Quote: Given how he's conducted the experiment, the results will prove little to nothing and it will equate to little more than some guy bilking others out of money and time so he could not work and play golf. "Bilk" is a ridiculous word to use. And it seems like he is working pretty hard to me, TBH. Some people have fun jobs. He is one of them. I really don't get the anger, except maybe because of envy. He is putting out content and he is trying hard. People who respect that or who find him interesting donate because they want it to keep going or because they enjoy consuming the content. Considering he has stuck with it over multiple years, lined up sponsors, and done all of this, I think implying he is lazy "could not work and play golf" is absurd. You may not like it, you may not think he has a chance (and he has no chance) but if others want to donate to him so he can pursue his dream, all the best to him. Now, if he was outright lying (for example, saying he shot 66 and is "almost there") that would be "bilking" donations. But he isn't. He has no chance of his stated goal. But he has given it a hard try (which is more than I can say for most about their dreams). If others want to throw him a little something, what business is it of yours? He has created a successful business somewhat. I take my hat completely off to him. Managed to figure out how to chase his dream. He may not get his dream, but that's irrelevant. Please note I don't think he has a chance, at this point on this trajectory, to make the tour. However, I don't think he is a bad guy or doing something wrong and I'm struggling to see how anyone could reach that conclusion.
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