Elmer Fudd

I'm a K-9 police officer in the California Central Valley. (Originally from LSU country)

Why is a Georgia boy sending a pornography photo out.

You're probably right about modern athletes being superior, as the population increases alone make the best of the best that much better. But, I think you are way wrong with the assumption that the golf swing was a thing of mystery and not well understood. A lot of the so called knowledge passed of today as scientific fact will be reversed. Take a look at the variance in professional golf swings and the individual personalities of the golfers and you'll see contradiction about whats best. It also seems that the best athlete is not necessarily the best golfer.

The best thing that ever happened to my chipping and pitching was sticking with the PW. A good 56 degree is nice out of the sand or when you need to get up and over with only a little green to work with. At my stage of the game, I try to keep the loft as low as humanly possible to avoid disaster.

As long as you don't talk football gump it'll be fine. I just can't support that little traitor troll of a coach you guys have. Geaux Tigers!

I agree with Sean and I also think Cleveland hasn't marketed their forged CB and MB at all. I think they're on the right track now, if they can survive. When I was a kid, milk was good for you as was beef. The world was going into an ice age. People waved the American flag and everybody wanted to be rich in a free society. Now it seems everything is opposite, including golf irons with manufacturing techniques that save lots of money. I don't think milk is good or bad. I prefer eating beef to fish. We ain't going into an ice age or an oven. I still wave my flag and I believe free enterprise is best. I prefer a quality made golf club even though I can't swing it worth a flip and I would like to see American build and buy quality items.

My first set was also the Nike Ignites and they are good clubs despite the low price and lack of glory. The Uniflex shafts also magnified my over the top problems as my swing speed grew. I transitioned to a set of Callaway X20 tour with rifle 6.0 and the fade lessened, but I still had the fade or a ugly pull hook when not swinging properly. The truth was, I needed stiffer shafts, but my ugly swing was the main problem and I work on it every chance I get. The more I work the straighter the ball gets and the distance is where I never dreamed it could be. The market is full of great choices and if you choose the right flex and work on your swing you should improve up to the ability of your game management and short scoring skill. I believe the Nike ignites with stiffer shafts and the swing effort on my part would have worked just as well. I recently switched to DG X-100 shafted irons and wondered if they would be too stiff as my tempo improved and Is topped trying to kill the ball. My swing speed and solid contact percentages keep increasing with better fundamental technique and I swing much harder with less effort. Choose the set that blows your skirt up. Spending the money for good equipment motivated me, but the improvement was mostly from a better understanding of how I should swing a club. Besides, your handicap is lower than mine as it is.

Mine has a RIP Phenom 60 gram S-flex and it hits long and straight when I do my part. During my fitting, I tried several shafts which were custom tipped to lower my ball flight, as I asked specifically to be fitted for a lower flight. After coming up with a shaft that was optimal on the monitor we tried the stock one listed above and the results were the same for $100.00 less. I am very happy with the driver and stock shaft and I haven't heard anyone else complaining about theirs. I spent a small fortune on my clubs and haven't regretted one dime as they fit me and were exactly what I wanted. I was willing to buy the best shaft for my game, within reason, and the stock one was sufficient at a lower cost. I put more faith in my own testing than consumer reviews and what works for me may not work for you. Good Luck.

It's apparent that you like to think about your play and I can promise you that golf will tax your brain like no other sport. You are obviously athletic if your tennis play improved and became satisfactory. This will help in golf as the tennis swing, like baseball offers a lot of similarities to the golf swing. If you are average in size finding a used set of clubs or a cheap set of starter clubs will be simple. Just like tennis you have to start swinging to realize what information works for you and it will take time before you have clue what you want or need in clubs. If you are like most people including myself your opinions will change and you will experiment with different equipment and techniques. Your swing speed will increase with time as you learn to strike the ball and making an educated one time purchase is nearly impossible. Matching the flex of your clubs to the speed of your swing will become more important than the particular brand shape style or popularity of the irons that you drool over. Unless you are extremely tall or short or have arms like a gorilla or a lizard just by a standard set that's affordable and start playing. If you fit the non average build or are extremely athletic and powerful don't spend a nickle until getting fit by someone that is properly trained; the golf pro at your local course can probably save you some grief here. If you are still playing after a few months and feel the helpless addiction taking hold, spend the money on swing lessons so you don't fight your own monster of creation. I personally like forged blades and have seen absolutely no difference in my scores with either style of clubs, but hope to improve my game with the feedback of blades. I started with cavity back clubs a few years ago and it might be the best way to go until you know this is the game for you and you want to work as much as you play. I like practicing at the range and on the practice green more than any of my playing partners. Good luck and the worst you can do is spend too much money and change your mind. You won't be the first to make that mistake and you may just learn something in the process.

It's the straightness of my driver, long and middle irons that affect my score. Distance control is way down on the list. Then the game changes with the short stuff and wedges, Distance is everything and left right issues are less pronounced and almost irrelevant. With that said I don't need a bunch of wedge options at my skill level. The close range bump and run is best for me. I think most of the marketing hype is just that, hype. But they got my money with the lighter faster driver and woods, when I know the distance is irrelevant with my swing speed. It seems that we golfers know one thing and choose to do another. There are more options for golfers today than could possibly have been conceived in the old days before modern marketing. These are the good times.

Driver: R11S $300 (I popped a 25 percent off balloon at the Roger Dunn Sale) 3 Wood: Cleveland Mashie: 2 Hybrid Cleveland Mashie: $320 for both Putter:

Like the other guys I use the bathroom sink, soap and water. I learned the hard way about getting the water too hot as the glue softens or the steel expands and things get loose. Luke warm cuts the grime and I can let the soak a little bit without worry..

I got a dozen from Cleveland when I purchased my new irons. They are very easy to see, fairway or ruff and they stand out at a distance, You'll know where your ball is way sooner than with a white ball. As far as seeing them better in the air, I haven't noticed much difference. On a overcast day you'll loose it in the clouds just like the white ball. I didn't like the looks of them and would have preferred a box of white balls, but after playing them they truly are the better choice especially if you live in the ruff like me.

I think most of the previous replies answered your question. My swing speed is also right on the division line. The fitter recommended x-stiff for my irons as my tempo is quicker with them. This is probably a bad thing. A fast tempo can have a tremendous effect on the club spine despite the actual speed of your irons. To be frank, I haven't seen a lot of difference between the stiff and X-stiff with my irons. The same fitter recommended stiff with my driver. My swing tempo is slower with the longer club. The launch monitor numbers also said stiff and guess what, I hit that driver just fine. The safest bet is to be professionally evaluated of hit some balls with each.

Hi Moonnerd, Man I hail from Louisiana and worked quite a bit in Texas, it is a great state. I'm now reside on the left coast but the golfing is great. I've got six children and three of them have interest in golf. My bad scores also are a result of a horrible chipping game, but I'm working hard and am too stubborn to quit. I understand the concept of a weekend golfer needing every advantage, but the people that I see playing best have grooved their games, especially the short irons and the idea that cavity backs will offer enough difference for a bad swing, poor course management or a bad day seems silly. Most of our best golfers in town don't have great swings, but they are very consistent and have played forever. I have played Nike Ignites, a $5.00 set of garage sale North Western stainless blades, Callaway X20 Tours and a set of knock offs that were given to me and my iron consistency never changed from the norm of my play at the time. I came to the conclusion that I just as well play what I want to play because if there is a difference, I can't see it. With that said I'm not suggesting that blades are the holy grail, but I don't think they are the killer of aspiring young golf dreams nor do I think having them in my bag means a mid handicapper is arrogant or sacrificing score for a cool look. Maybe I will have to adjust my swing flaws to see an improvement without offset and a skid pan. Anyway I'll give you first dibs if I sell them in the next month or so. I'm new to the forum and I don't want to tick anyone off or sound like an expert because my struggling golf game says it all. Besides if Mr. Wiggles is the person pictured getting into the passenger seat of the Jeep in his/her icon photo then I'm certain there's nothing wrong with that swing. Keep on swinging and good luck with the kids and your own game.

If you are talking about me hold you breath. And by the way, I was being optimistic on the 20 handicap. I love your thought process but I know cash and technology don't buy skill.

Man I have checked the internet for any information about the 588 irons for the past few months and Cleveland just hasn't talked about them very much. I saw a post where someone suggested they were Endo forged, which could mean either Japan or Thailand. Either way they have excellent reputations and quality control standards. I also saw a video on Srixon forging and I think I saw the 588 wedges being done there. I gave serious consideration to ordering the split set myself and would probably be just as happy. I really don't think it would make a bit of difference and the 588 CB irons are about the best looking cavities I have ever seen. Good luck and either way you go you win.

Yes, I have a brand new set of M/B and I love them. I waited five months to get them, but well worth the wait. Cleveland has sent the CB and MB 6 irons out to their staff dealer golf pros for demonstration. You should be able to find a place to try them out now. I ordered mine on blind faith and on looks alone and they are worth every penny. I also needed extra length and a few degrees upright so impulse buying was not a factor. I'm almost scared to use them their so pretty. Despite all of the warnings I got from golfers about the difficulty of hitting blades, I find them straighter and longer than my previous CB set. I think this is mainly due to better contact with the correct fit and 1/2 inch of additional length. Also I should add that I didn't really test other clubs. I initially decided to purchase a set of Titleist MB based on their reputation and the number of sets being played by the big boys. During the long wait I second guessed myself many times, but I am completely sold on them and would be shocked if they don't gobble up some of the forged market.

I doubt he is any worse than me and I'm convinced its all about swing and fit and not the specific club, unless he is having problems getting the ball airborne. If he struggled with a modern iron with a reasonable swing and swing speed, it was either not fitted to him or the next club will be the same.

Sorry, I don't but I have to throw in a pitch for Cleveland's new 588 MB irons. You can buy a split CB/MB set also and they are very clean looking and a pleasure to hit. I had to wait along time before they came in, but I probably have one of the first sets in my city. I chose the MB despite advice from everyone, including my golf pro, that blades were too hard to hit at my skill level. These clubs were fit for me and that makes all of the difference in the world. I hit them straighter and longer than my previous set of Callaway X20 Tours and I'll do good to keep the impact under the size of a Half-Dollar day in and day out. I still get distance out of lesser hits and I'm convinced that most of the advertisement for any major golf iron is 90 percent Bovine waste. Choose the quality brand that you like. Get the correct length irons and have your lie angles fitted and checked. Correct fit advice is not golf propaganda and I'll never buy another set without the ability to Tailor them to my physical needs.